Anyone following the ebola outbreak?

[Snail2]

It seems to be spreading without anyone trying, are you thinking there is very little chance that it could be worse than it is now if the virus conscripts human wickedness in its war on humanity?

Sneezing and coughing on crowded buses/trains/events.   Yes, they could do that first.

I don't really believe in this. Ebola supposedly killed 4000 people in nearly one year. (Please note that lots of cases were only suspected to be ebola, but no rock solid proof for that.) In addition those places are the poorest countries on the world, right after some civil wars, no sanitation, contaminated tap water, poor hygienic standards,  poor health care system, incompetent authorities. I think those bio-terrorists would be more successful even by spreading flu. That kills 250000-500000 ppl worldwide each year.

They really haven't anything to sell yet.

I'm sure they will turn up with something pretty soon if there will be enough demand. If can't then they can pull Tamiflu and Relenza out of the hat again as wide spectrum antiviral drugs .

[Balthazar]

http://rt.com/news/195536-ebola-russia-vaccine-send/

Vaccine efficiency is 70-90%.

The vaccine has so far proved efficient against various hemorrhagic fevers, including the Marburg virus which is very similar to Ebola.

Article says that Triazoverin is based on the mix of alive attenuated strains of ebolavirus and marburgvirus. Alive attenuated vaccines are usually much better than recombinated or genetically engineered stuff... However, this kind of vaccines can't be used to protect immunocompromised people (e.g. HIV infected individuals), because their immune system won't be able to develop a suitable response against attenuated virus.

[RedDiamond]

http://rt.com/news/195536-ebola-russia-vaccine-send/

Vaccine efficiency is 70-90%.

The vaccine has so far proved efficient against various hemorrhagic fevers, including the Marburg virus which is very similar to Ebola.

Article says that Triazoverin is based on combined mix of attenuated strains of ebolavirus and marburgvirus. So this vaccine couldn't be used to protect immunocompromised people (e.g. HIV infected individuals).

So is it so that the Triazoverin has 70-90% efficiency against various hemorrhagic fevers but has not even tested against Ebola yet?
And the other vaccines based on a strain of Ebola should come out in the next six months?

[NewLiberty]

It seems to be spreading without anyone trying, are you thinking there is very little chance that it could be worse than it is now if the virus conscripts human wickedness in its war on humanity?

Sneezing and coughing on crowded buses/trains/events.   Yes, they could do that first.

I don't really believe in this. Ebola supposedly killed 4000 people in nearly one year. (Please note that lots of cases were only suspected to be ebola, but no rock solid proof for that.) In addition those places are the poorest countries on the world, right after some civil wars, no sanitation, contaminated tap water, poor hygienic standards,  poor health care system, incompetent authorities. I think those bio-terrorists would be more successful even by spreading flu. That kills 250000-500000 ppl worldwide each year.

They really haven't anything to sell yet.

I'm sure they will turn up with something pretty soon if there will be enough demand. If can't then they can pull Tamiflu and Relenza out of the hat again as wide spectrum antiviral drugs .

Perhaps you don't really have a handle on the mechanism of operation here.
Its not about # of deaths, its about amount of terror (government over-reaction in response to politically motivated violence).

Wars were started over a little over 3000 deaths on 9/11.

Flu virus just doesn't have the effect.

[RedDiamond]

Bad news from Liberia: "Some nurses in Liberia defied calls for a strike on Monday and turned up for work at hospitals amid the worst Ebola outbreak in history."

http://koin.com/2014/10/13/liberian-nurses-treating-ebola-threaten-strike/

[RodeoX]

BTW how can we know if this isn't just the latest WHO/pharma scam like the swine flu "pandemic" a few years ago?

You forgot to mention Sars and bird flu. If anyone thinks this hasn't been in the works for a while watch this.

http://youtu.be/BAkzNx3zFtQ

I work on pandemic flu response. It's no joke and one day it will break out and kill millions and millions of us. Flu is a threat magnitudes of order more dangerous than Ebola. I don't know where you get the idea that it is a "scam" or pretext of some kind. SARS is 9-10% fatal and that is beyond serious when you consider that each year that about 10% of the U.S. population is infected by flu. If a hybrid variety like the H5N1 + H1N1 hit us, we might see something like 30 million dead in the U.S. alone.

It can happen, it does happen, it has happened. Almost all people who study this agree that the odds of another huge, worldwide, deadly flu outbreak are near certain. You wont call it a hoax when your piling up bodies on the street with the garbage collection. Think it can't happen?  In St. Louis, where I'm from, the death carts roamed the streets each evening during the "Spanish" flu outbreak. It killed about 70 million people in 1917-18. So many that it was the major factor in ending WW1.  

[Snail2]

Perhaps you don't really have a handle on the mechanism of operation here.
Its not about # of deaths, its about amount of terror (government over-reaction in response to politically motivated violence).

Wars were started over a little over 3000 deaths on 9/11.

Flu virus just doesn't have the effect.

OK, you are right, nobody will be scared because of flu even if it's more effective, however as Ebola isn't very easy to transmit in a well developed country a few terrorists can cause only very limited issues what the government can easily cover up. Certainly if the govt already want to impose martial law for it's own advantage then these guys would be the perfect cause.

[Spendulus]

Perhaps you don't really have a handle on the mechanism of operation here.
Its not about # of deaths, its about amount of terror (government over-reaction in response to politically motivated violence).

Wars were started over a little over 3000 deaths on 9/11.

Flu virus just doesn't have the effect.

OK, you are right, nobody will be scared because of flu even if it's more effective, however as Ebola isn't very easy to transmit in a well developed country a few terrorists can cause only very limited issues what the government can easily cover up. Certainly if the govt already want to impose martial law for it's own advantage then these guys would be the perfect cause.

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

You are not saying anything that isn't trivial and obvious, and you are not saying anything that is effectively actionable in the physical world.

When the gubbermint fumbles the ball on ebola, think....

fucking idiots....

not...

real smart conspirators...

As RodeoX suggests, go back and read about the Spanish flu pandemic.

[Bagatell]

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

Are you familiar with the term biological warfare?

"Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war."

"Biological weapons may be employed in various ways to gain a strategic or tactical advantage over the enemy, either by threats or by actual deployments."

[Spendulus]

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

Are you familiar with the term biological warfare?

"Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war."

"Biological weapons may be employed in various ways to gain a strategic or tactical advantage over the enemy, either by threats or by actual deployments."

I do not think YOU understand.  The essential fact of survival of these organisms is predicated on their not needing "helpful terrorists" to spread them around.  They don't care.  They do quite well on their own, thank you kindly.

It is true that certain weaponized concoctions do require them to be purposefully spread around in target areas to have an effect.

It is a ridiculous false flag alarm and an exercise in futility to raise such fears with ebola.

When you counter "Yeah but THEY COULD...."

...that's an example of what's called in logic an "irrefutable hypothesis"

..."Yeh, but there COULD be a God.."
"...Yeah, but there COULD be a big forest fire..."
and so forth.

[NewLiberty]

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

Are you familiar with the term biological warfare?

"Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war."

"Biological weapons may be employed in various ways to gain a strategic or tactical advantage over the enemy, either by threats or by actual deployments."

I do not think YOU understand.  The essential fact of survival of these organisms is predicated on their not needing "helpful terrorists" to spread them around.  They don't care.  They do quite well on their own, thank you kindly.

It is true that certain weaponized concoctions do require them to be purposefully spread around in target areas to have an effect.

It is a ridiculous false flag alarm and an exercise in futility to raise such fears with ebola.

When you counter "Yeah but THEY COULD...."

...that's an example of what's called in logic an "irrefutable hypothesis"

..."Yeh, but there COULD be a God.."
"...Yeah, but there COULD be a big forest fire..."
and so forth.

People like arguing.
The silly part is that you both are correct, about different things, and arguing against each other anyhow.  
These are two separate points and effects.

1) Virus don't need wickedness to spread, there exist killer microbes, and one day they'll come.
2) Government expands its power absurdly in response to crises (it doesn't take a false flag, any ol' flag will do, in this case CT for example has already done so preemptively).
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef

[Spendulus]

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

Are you familiar with the term biological warfare?

"Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war."

"Biological weapons may be employed in various ways to gain a strategic or tactical advantage over the enemy, either by threats or by actual deployments."

I do not think YOU understand.  The essential fact of survival of these organisms is predicated on their not needing "helpful terrorists" to spread them around.  They don't care.  They do quite well on their own, thank you kindly.

It is true that certain weaponized concoctions do require them to be purposefully spread around in target areas to have an effect.

It is a ridiculous false flag alarm and an exercise in futility to raise such fears with ebola.

When you counter "Yeah but THEY COULD...."

...that's an example of what's called in logic an "irrefutable hypothesis"

..."Yeh, but there COULD be a God.."
"...Yeah, but there COULD be a big forest fire..."
and so forth.

People like arguing.
The silly part is that you both are correct, about different things, and arguing against each other anyhow.  
These are two separate points and effects.

1) Virus don't need wickedness to spread, there exist killer microbes, and one day they'll come.
2) Government expands its power absurdly in response to crises (it doesn't take a false flag, any ol' flag will do, in this case CT for example has already done so preemptively).

I agree it's silly.  Rather like someone in a crowded theater filled with smoke, with people shouting "FIRE!  FIRE!" wanting to lecture the person next to him on how it COULD have been a conspiracy by a government agent....

[NewLiberty]

Bah.  The war we have with small organisms and/semi alive things like viruses is not subject to the whim and caprice of our wars with other humans.  

Are you familiar with the term biological warfare?

"Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war."

"Biological weapons may be employed in various ways to gain a strategic or tactical advantage over the enemy, either by threats or by actual deployments."

I do not think YOU understand.  The essential fact of survival of these organisms is predicated on their not needing "helpful terrorists" to spread them around.  They don't care.  They do quite well on their own, thank you kindly.

It is true that certain weaponized concoctions do require them to be purposefully spread around in target areas to have an effect.

It is a ridiculous false flag alarm and an exercise in futility to raise such fears with ebola.

When you counter "Yeah but THEY COULD...."

...that's an example of what's called in logic an "irrefutable hypothesis"

..."Yeh, but there COULD be a God.."
"...Yeah, but there COULD be a big forest fire..."
and so forth.

People like arguing.
The silly part is that you both are correct, about different things, and arguing against each other anyhow.  
These are two separate points and effects.

1) Virus don't need wickedness to spread, there exist killer microbes, and one day they'll come.
2) Government expands its power absurdly in response to crises (it doesn't take a false flag, any ol' flag will do, in this case CT for example has already done so preemptively).

I agree it's silly.  Rather like someone in a crowded theater filled with smoke, with people shouting "FIRE!  FIRE!" wanting to lecture the person next to him on how it COULD have been a conspiracy by a government agent....

Is that the assertion that was being made?  I'd missed that.

[DhaniBoy]

What is Ebola virus?

Ebola is a deadly disease which has killed more than 3,000 people across West Africa, with thousands more affected. It is spread through contact with bodily fluids of infected people and animals. The virus can survive for several days outside the body, including on the skin of dead victims.

There is no vaccine, cure or specific treatment. Victims who manage to get to an Ebola treatment centre have a better chance of survival. Those who do not catch it in the first place have the best chance of all.
Where is the Ebola outbreak?

Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone in West Africa are currently fighting the worst Ebola epidemic in history. Reports from the World Health Organisation estimate that more than 20,000 people could die if the virus is not stopped.
Who is affected?

70% of Ebola victims are women, who are traditional care-givers and in charge of washing and embalming dead bodies. Thousands of children have been orphaned. Right now, every person who gets Ebola is infecting up to two more people. Unless we can stop that, Ebola will continue to spiral out of control.

In some areas whole communities are in quarantine because of the epidemic. Unable to earn a living, trade or go to market they are not only battling Ebola, people are also facing the prospect of widespread hunger.
What is ActionAid doing to help?

We're on the ground in Liberia and Sierra Leone, fighting to prevent the spread of Ebola virus by:

    broadcasting safety messages on radio stations and in public areas
    training local volunteers to lead awareness raising campaigns in their communities
    providing food and oil for people in quarantine
    giving medical and sanitation supplies to under-funded medical centres
    providing protective gear to health workers.

We need your help so we can step up our work and reach more people before Ebola does.

Read more at http://www.actionaid.org.uk/ebola#PaOYcEsoStLoIJ2e.99

[Kluge]

The bubonic plague did work for the mongols. Killing 1/3 of the population of europe. If ISIS use ebola as a weapon I don't think this will not work for them. Ebola just infected an american nurse in dallas without the terrorist help how much more if the terrorists is added to the equation.

Probably trying to spread ebola wouldn't be a great success. How these infected terrorist can inject their bodily fluids into many people without being noticed? Sneezing and coughing on crowded buses or trains? Yes that could do some harm but I think they would be more effective with a few dozens of traditional hand grenades.

Hm. Actually, you might be on to something. If the martyr were to explode himself from the inside with grenades, there'd be ebola-carrying gore splattered everywhere. What if he goes to a concert (ehhh... one of those mosh pits or whatever they're called, where they all stand around each other) and blows himself up? It could spark a pandemic. I doubt any first responders would think to check if the guy who blew himself up was infected with ebola, so you could have hundreds of people going about their daily routine for maybe 2-4 days before there's a massive round-up.

ETA: Okay. -So you have two guys go in, at least one infected with ebola. The first guy gets tossed up into the air by the second guy - or maybe only one guy who uses a trampoline - and they try to time it where the guy explodes when he's fairly high up. I'm not sure how far out his parts or blood would go, but I'd guess there'd be a way to get a majority.

[bryant.coleman]

Hm. Actually, you might be on to something. If the martyr were to explode himself from the inside with grenades, there'd be ebola-carrying gore splattered everywhere.

Don't you think that the extreme temperature, which would be created as a result of the explosion will neutralize the Ebola virus? That said, Ebola is a very powerful weapon if it lands at the hands of extremists. For example, they can dilute the Ebola infected blood and then spray it on metro trains and other crowded places.

[Bagatell]

Wow! super FUD. Do you guys work for the government? I mean your taking a relatively harmless idea and dreaming up ways to use it to kill everyone.

And that guy in the theater shouting fire. Is he right? Is there a fire? With all the smoke and conspiracy theories it's hard to tell.

[ANTIcentralized]

The bubonic plague did work for the mongols. Killing 1/3 of the population of europe. If ISIS use ebola as a weapon I don't think this will not work for them. Ebola just infected an american nurse in dallas without the terrorist help how much more if the terrorists is added to the equation.

Probably trying to spread ebola wouldn't be a great success. How these infected terrorist can inject their bodily fluids into many people without being noticed? Sneezing and coughing on crowded buses or trains? Yes that could do some harm but I think they would be more effective with a few dozens of traditional hand grenades.

Hm. Actually, you might be on to something. If the martyr were to explode himself from the inside with grenades, there'd be ebola-carrying gore splattered everywhere. What if he goes to a concert (ehhh... one of those mosh pits or whatever they're called, where they all stand around each other) and blows himself up? It could spark a pandemic. I doubt any first responders would think to check if the guy who blew himself up was infected with ebola, so you could have hundreds of people going about their daily routine for maybe 2-4 days before there's a massive round-up.

ETA: Okay. -So you have two guys go in, at least one infected with ebola. The first guy gets tossed up into the air by the second guy - or maybe only one guy who uses a trampoline - and they try to time it where the guy explodes when he's fairly high up. I'm not sure how far out his parts or blood would go, but I'd guess there'd be a way to get a majority.

Your scenario would probably not work. First of all, these raves generally have some level of security so I think it would be unlikely that someone would be able to get grenades inside. Assuming they were able to do so, I think that blowing themselves up would likely kill most of the people who would potentially get infected. Additionally the only way to contract ebola is to mix someone elses bodily fluids with your own so the person who is infected would need to get their blood into other people's eyes or into an open wound.

Lastly, I don't believe that everyone who comes into contact with ebola will actually contract it (I may be incorrect on this). It will not be possible to know for sure if someone has ebola until either the incubation period has expired or they start to show symptoms, so a terrorist would not necessarily be able to infect someone until the person has symptoms and by then it would be obvious they are sick and would be quaranteened

[Bagatell]

Too complicated. Way easier and cheaper to put ebola in syringes and go round jabbing people..oh..wait..

[Kluge]

Hm. Actually, you might be on to something. If the martyr were to explode himself from the inside with grenades, there'd be ebola-carrying gore splattered everywhere.

Don't you think that the extreme temperature, which would be created as a result of the explosion will neutralize the Ebola virus? That said, Ebola is a very powerful weapon if it lands at the hands of extremists. For example, they can dilute the Ebola infected blood and then spray it on metro trains and other crowded places.

My idea's like 1000x cooler. Who wants to be known as the "train spraying maniac"? Sounds like indecent exposure more than a world-terrorizing psychopath.

I have no idea how hot someone's gore would be after a grenade fires inside them. I'd guess it depends if limbs were torn off before extremities had time to heat up too much. If we had some kind of un-citizens/logs/untouchables, I could probably experiment and find the answers to these critical questions, but alas - liberalism.