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July 28, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
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i think it's time to collect some ideas how to stop this scene-collective-suicide happening right now in alt coin markets

the point is: there are too many scams

too many scams lead to a complete abandon of exchanges by traders, less trust in bitcoin in general and a collective discontent for the constant losses of money and trust

i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

what we can actively do to stop this massacre?

- we need a professional alt coin exchange

i used mintpal till beginning, it has a great interface (and poor graphs), for a while acted professionally then the greed start eating their souls and basically adding all that shit-coins (isis?!?? lol) turned out to be a quite fast suicide

how to define a professional exchange?

- adding coin with serious intentions and projects, real world implementations etc. with at least few months of life

- give rich infos of every coin listed, with developers details and contacts, coin specs details, whitepaper, history and graphs.. is not that difficult to dedicate a single page to each coin with all the juicy details

- requests based on btc donations / votings should be ignored

more ideas?
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July 28, 2014, 03:44:22 PM
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This scene has had solid coin options for years. People chase get rich quick scams and get burnt. The coins being released are a reflection of the majority here, and they keep getting released because they work.

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July 28, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
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find 2-3 coins that are older than a month, with active devs and a good community.
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July 28, 2014, 04:19:52 PM
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This scene has had solid coin options for years. People chase get rich quick scams and get burnt. The coins being released are a reflection of the majority here, and they keep getting released because they work.

Agreed. People aren't taking enough responsibility themselves. Way too often people buy up some new coin that has a ton of red flags, then wonder why they have been scammed. For the OP, I am curious, what three coins did you invest in that were scams?

And that said, we do need better exchanges too. If they list a coin with a hidden premine/shady code, people should learn the lesson and not automatically invest in every new coin released. That trading method did work at Bittrex for a while, although I never bothered with it ... it seemed each new coin saw a rise at a certain point. It doesn't work so well now though.

The requirements for a good exchange sound nice, but I don't see them all being met. Devs aren't going to give up their identities (although for all ICOs run on exchanges, they should), and I wouldn't expect an exchange to always wait months to list a new coin. But how about a week or two? There is no need to go right from ann to listing, simultaneously, especially if a dev promises grand things. Wait until the dev at least delivers something.


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July 29, 2014, 12:00:27 AM
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We had a lot of fair coins mostly until end 2013. Get back to basics is the only way to end this circus that harms all of us.
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July 29, 2014, 12:34:39 AM
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i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

If you take the lesson that came with your lumps and apply the lesson to investing in the stock market, you'll wind up saving a lot of money over your lifetime.

The lesson in question is a personal one: namely, what your limitations are. I found out the hard way here - and I found out the hard way on the penny stock market  Embarrassed - that I'm a lousy day trader. So I have to handicap the long term, buy, hold, wait, and find something to do with myself while I'm waiting. Here as well as there.

I also had to learn the hard way - here as well as on the penny stock market  Embarrassed  Embarrassed - that I get undisciplined and impatient even when I'm holding on for the longer term. I threw away more than 15 million Reddcoin at 6 satoshis - right at the start of its current run into double digits. Just like - because I was meek on the phone with my discount broker, strangely enough - I threw away a $100,000 profit on a turnaround stock by failing to order it up in illiquid certificate form in the dark days of early 2009. Had I held on as I vowed to until the end of 2010, and waited the six-or-so-weeks for it to be credited to my account, I would have had six figures. But the broker, after telling me about that six-week delay, explicitly advised me against going through with my order for a physical certificate. And at that point, I acted like an agreeable fellow and chickened out.

I ended up selling it for a teeny profit and went chasing after sometime else. Chasing after yet another shiny object...  Embarrassed 

So I've ben a slow learner in two ways. I've had to learn the hard way what my limitations are, and I've also had to learn - the hard way - how to play within my limitations skilfully. Both have involved taking a lot of lumps, although thankfully for me my biggest "losses" have been thrown-away profits.

To wrap up me talking about myself Wink , I suggest you regard the losses you've taken as a disguised lesson showing you your own limitations. Once you figure out what they are, and once you take any further lumps learning to play within those limits skillfully, you will have a hard-won skill set that - once you make it in the "real world" - will save you tens of thousands of dollars - and maybe more - over the course of your investing lifetime on the stock market.

One more thing: don't kid yourself about the woes you're facing resulting solely from cryptos being "unregulated." I've had enough experience in the quite regulated stock market to notice that the trading lunges there are strikingly similar to the mania-arc here. Truth be told, regulations only limn the ways in which you can decimate your portfolio. They do rule some ways as no longer in bounds, but they always leave other ways. That's because, at bottom, our biggest enemy as speculators is our own weaknesses.

And that can never be regulated away - only outlawed outright via prior restraint. Sorry to disillusion anyone, but that's the way it is.   






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July 29, 2014, 02:55:30 AM
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This scene has had solid coin options for years. People chase get rich quick scams and get burnt. The coins being released are a reflection of the majority here, and they keep getting released because they work.

this

i was calling many scams before they happend. People get sucked in to scams because they don't think or don't care. The daytrader is only in for a few hours or days so he thinks he doesn't need to care. Now it happens that most people around here are daytraders so these scams feed off of that mainly.

you can't really blame the exchanges because they only do what works for them. I think people who fall for scams are to blame mainly. Those cycles of scamcoins are kept going by the scammers and those who place those high buy-orders on the books.

Avoid instamined coins that are mined out within less than a few weeks at all costs would be a good start too.  

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July 29, 2014, 03:02:44 AM
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We had a lot of fair coins mostly until end 2013. Get back to basics is the only way to end this circus that harms all of us.

+1
back to 'old', established products with community and dev that have been around for months and years.

Very new coins are ultra high risk. People need to be aware of that.

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July 29, 2014, 03:09:29 AM
Last edit: July 29, 2014, 03:45:11 AM by Korlic
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I've been burned as well, but it's best to use that knowledge to your advantage next time. I think it's a missed opportunity to turn your back on the entire market because of a few bad decisions.

Never impulse buy, and always check out the cost maintenance before buying. I only invest in coins that have an active community + team, and I prefer to buy when it's listed on several popular exchanges. If it isn't listed, I'll snoop around in their IRC/troll forums and watch for dips.

Also - I prefer older coins.



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July 29, 2014, 06:20:06 AM
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Maybe stop investing in developers which have no background, and claim to do a fair launch. You cant just trust anyone with your money. However if its a proper developer with a good background, maybe then you can take the risk.
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July 29, 2014, 06:46:11 AM
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notice how those mass scam started with chinese era, 2013 wasn't that full of scam coin
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July 29, 2014, 06:48:41 AM
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YOU CAN SAVE IT BY STOPPING BITTREX


Jokes aside xD, bittrex did have the issue recently of adding i think 3 coins which did have a hidden pre-mine, which does go towards showing that if you pay them enough, you can get on the exchange without having anything checked. I think this is a big sign, and if bittrex stops going through with this method, maybe then we can have scam coins that have harder times to get released and accepted?

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July 29, 2014, 06:55:23 AM
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I don't see any scams. Maybe because I investigate before investing and only invest in coins that have been around 2 months or longer and have really innovative features behind them. Of course if you invest into any promise to deliver, you'll get scammed, because the promise to marry doesn't always mean marriage is coming Wink
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July 29, 2014, 06:58:14 AM
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I don't see any scams. Maybe because I investigate before investing and only invest in coins that have been around 2 months or longer and have really innovative features behind them. Of course if you invest into any promise to deliver, you'll get scammed, because the promise to marry doesn't always mean marriage is coming Wink

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July 29, 2014, 07:03:11 AM
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I Promise I'll Marry You

Only after you pay the dower  Grin

Paying the dower would be the closest equivalent of a crypto developer's releasing alpha version of the software to live net and running it for 2 months without breaking anything Smiley
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July 29, 2014, 07:14:50 AM
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Don't know why people blame the exchange for their own actions. While the exchanges should do more diligence, it really has to start here. Someone has been trying to start a campaign where only people with some huge activity number can announce new coins. I personally think that's ridiculous.

However, there's this other very large forum I frequent and no one is allowed to post a service on there unless a mod has first reviewed it. IMO, if this forum introduced something like that, and that a coin had to go through a beta phase first, with a code review and live block explorer before being allowed to launch on the forum, I think that would cut out a lot of the scams.

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July 29, 2014, 07:19:40 AM
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Most people missed the bitcoin train and this is why they fell for these scams without understanding anything about these coins and buying them blindly.

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July 29, 2014, 07:19:53 AM
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Don't know why people blame the exchange for their own actions. While the exchanges should do more diligence, it really has to start here. Someone has been trying to start a campaign where only people with some huge activity number can announce new coins. I personally think that's ridiculous.

However, there's this other very large forum I frequent and no one is allowed to post a service on there unless a mod has first reviewed it. IMO, if this forum introduced something like that, and that a coin had to go through a beta phase first, with a code review and live block explorer before being allowed to launch on the forum, I think that would cut out a lot of the scams.

Theymos too busy swimming in donated BTC to worry about scams.

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July 29, 2014, 07:45:36 AM
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notice how those mass scam started with chinese era, 2013 wasn't that full of scam coin

It started after feathercoin came out and cloned litecoin then chinacoin and pretty muh every coin after that was and still is a scam.

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July 29, 2014, 08:09:01 AM
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Moolah just bought Mintpal and has promised to get rid of scam coins and to vet new additions much more pro-actively, so perhaps that will help a little at least.
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