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July 12, 2014, 02:31:31 AM
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Umbrella Cryptocurrencies Beta

Universal Umbrella Symbol: Ʉ
Latin Capital Letter U Bar - Unicode Character (U+0244)

“Innovations in cryptocurrency can come in many forms, only one of them being new algos.”  
--Robert Murray - Founder of Umbrella







Umbrella-BTC - TBA
Umbrella-LTC - July 28 15:00 GMT
Umbrella-VTC - TBA
Umbrella-DRK - TBA





Umbrella-BTC

Ticker Symbol: UBTC
Algorithm: SHA256d
Type: POW
Merge-Mined with: Bitcoin
Total Coins: 2,625,000
Block Reward: 10
Block Time: 600 s
(2)Halving: Proprietary (diaBR/r)
Difficulty Re-target: Every Block
(3)Insured: Yes (CABI)
IPO: None
(1)Preallocation: 2%
CDIC Preallocation: None


Umbrella-LTC

Ticker Symbol: ULTC
Algorithm: Scrypt
Type: POW
Merge-Mined with: Litecoin
Total Coins: 6,000,000
Block Reward: 10
Block Time: 270 s
(2)Halving: Proprietary (diaBR/r)
Difficulty Re-target: Every Block
(3)Insured: Yes (CABI)
IPO: None
(1)Preallocation: 2%
CDIC Preallocation: None


Umbrella-VTC

Ticker Symbol: UVTC
Algorithm: Scrypt-Adaptive-N
Type: POW
Merge-Mined with: Vertcoin
Total Coins: 10,500,000
Block Reward: 10
Block Time: 150 s
(2)Halving: Proprietary (diaBR/r)
Difficulty Re-target: Every Block
(3)Insured: Yes (CABI)
IPO: None
(1)Preallocation: 2%
CDIC Preallocation: None


Umbrella-DRK

Ticker Symbol: UDRK
Algorithm: X11
Type: POW
Merge-Mined with: Darkcoin
Total Coins: 2,750,000
Block Reward: 10
Block Time: 540 s
(2)Halving: Proprietary (diaBR/r)
Difficulty Re-target: Every Block
(3)Insured: Yes (CABI)
IPO: None
(1)Preallocation: 2%
CDIC Preallocation: None


(1) - 1.5% For Development, Giveaways and Promotions.  .5% Donation to the CDIC.
(2) - (diaBR/r) = Decreasing Insurance Allocation Block Reward/Rate
(3) - (CABI) = Crypto-Asset Backed Insurance




PRESS RELEASE

UMBRELLA ANNOUNCES A SUITE OF INSURED CRYPTOCURRENCIES

COINS THE TERM “CRYPTSURANCE”

 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Umbrella Holdings
Media Contact: support@umbrella.holdings
Websites: http://www.umbrella.holdings  •  http://www.cdic.us

(Los Angeles, CA - July 15, 2014)  Umbrella is proud to unveil the world's first fully insured cryptocurrencies (cryptsurance).  Umbrella is a basket of insured cryptocurrencies that are designed to hedge against the loss of its overlying cryptocurrency.  A secondary cryptocurrency by nature, Umbrella is designed to be merge-minded alongside each algorithms corresponding industry leader.  Umbrella-BTC to Bitcoin, Umbrella-LTC to Litecoin, Umbrella-VTC to Vertcoin, and Umbrella-DRK to Darkcoin.  Using the ticker symbols UBTC, ULTC, UVTC, and UDRK, respectively.  Additional Umbrella securities will be added once clear leaders emerge for newer algorithms such as SHA3 and X13.  Similarly, if a new industry leader emerges for any particular algorithm, we will create new securities around it as well.  Since Umbrella are the only cryptocurrencies to be insured and backed by the Cryptocurrency Deposit Insurance Corporation or (CDIC), your currency is safeguarded against theft, hacks, and insolvency on participating exchanges.  Umbrella cryptocurrencies are also insured when held in the CDIC’s free cold storage service.  This means that you can now safely diversify your assets by allocating a percentage of your portfolio into Umbrella cryptos.

Umbrella solves one of the major problems of owning cryptocurrencies.  If your cryptocurrency is lost by an exchange due to a hack or insolvency, your options are extremely limited in recovering your losses.  While Umbrella cannot reimburse your loss of the overlying currency, through the CDIC, we can reimburse any loss of Umbrella currencies as incurred by the exchange.  For example, holding equal amounts (in value) of Bitcoin and Umbrella-BTC would offer a substantial upgrade in asset protection compared to owning Bitcoin alone.  Having asset protection in place by reducing your exposure is a fundamental requirement in today’s financial markets.  Wall Street has a variety of ways to deal with risk, from derivatives like options and futures, to more exotic offerings like forwards and swaps.  It all comes down to minimizing risk; Umbrella makes this a seamless process.  While Umbrella does not solve all the problems plaguing today’s cryptocurrencies or exchanges, we offer something no other cryptocurrency can, which is peace of mind.

Working with the CDIC, a portion of each block reward is allocated into an insurance fund and held as collateral for claims.  These amounts will halve at certain points based on implied risk.  Participating exchanges will receive a seal of approval guaranteeing that your Umbrella holdings are fully insured.  While we cannot fully comment on the CDIC’s approval process or policies, we do know that the exchange must provide proof of liabilities and pass a series of penetration tests before being insured.  This ensures that the exchange is doing its job, and reassures its customers that it’s a safe place to store digital currency.  These policies are provided at $0 premium to the exchange due to the unique Crypto-Asset Backed Insurance or (CABI) system devised by the CDIC.

Finally a reason for merged-mining!  Currently, most merged-mined coins linked to their larger brethren suffer from high difficulty, which drives down profitability.  This makes merged-mining an afterthought in most cases and it’s simply not worth the time or effort.  Umbrella changes this model where profitability is no longer the sole reason for mining, but rather insurance becomes the motive.  Merged-mining is also green by nature as the work is already being done for the primary coin.  In addition to keeping the network secure, merged-mining offers no interruption or loss of hash-rate on the primary coin.  In other words, no extra work is needed by the miner other than the initial configuration.  You can now mine Bitcoin, Litecoin, Vertcoin, or Darkcoin and it’s corresponding Umbrella currency in parallel.  Pool operators can take advantage of this as well, possibly eliminating pool fees in lieu of keeping mined Umbrella cryptos.  This would add a layer of protection to the exchange with little modification to its core infrastructure.  So the only question remains: Why wouldn't you mine peace of mind alongside your primary coin?

Hedging can’t help us escape the hard reality of the risk-return trade off that is the cryptocurrency markets, but we can limit our exposure through insurance.  By definition, Umbrella means any kind of general protection.  Umbrella is a currency that is insured and scarce by design, a currency that is designed to be acquired and held like a contract.  These properties will lend itself to low volatility and a stable market price.  We also believe this winning combination will lead to a good store of value.  This will play an important role if the asset ever needs to be sold to offset the loss of another cryptocurrency.  In the unregulated world of cryptocurrencies, few tools exist to protect the miners who are the backbone of the industry; we intend to change this.


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How does it work?

In a nutshell, Crypto-Asset Backed Insurance or (CABI) is what makes Umbrella possible with no premium required from the exchange or miner.  A portion of Umbrellas block reward is automatically allocated into an insurance fund as it is mined.  The insurance block reward is set to decrease geometrically, with a (TBD)% reduction rate, every (TBD)# of blocks.  The CDIC will use proprietary algorithms to calculate the decreasing insurance allocation block reward/rate or (diaBR/r).  A byproduct of reducing the insurance block reward is an increased reward, for standard blocks.  One of the models used for calculating the (diaBR/r) is a modified Monte Carlo Method (VaR) or Value-at-Risk measure algorithm.  This algorithm factors in the historical data of failed exchanges, the amount of Umbrella holdings per exchange, and it’s distribution on the network.  Unlike the Greeks, duration and convexity, or beta, which only pertain to certain asset classes, value-at-risk is general.  This generality makes it suitable for our application.  These metrics will yield the rate at which insurance block rewards are generated and halved.

The allocated cryptocurrency is then held as collateral by the CDIC for insurance claims.  The CDIC fills the role of underwriter, insurer, and escrow.  The CDIC will also process and investigate all claims made against cryptocurrency exchanges that hold active policies.  Exchanges can apply for free coverage, provided they meet all the *criteria.  Umbrella is considered a beta product until sufficient data is available to complete our metrics and code in the (diaBR/r).  Until that time, Umbrella is launching with a 1:1 ratio between standard and Insured block rewards.  This will kick-start the insurance fund and pave the way for every miner to reduce his or her exposure to risk.  For more information please visit www.cdic.us.
 
The CDIC modified Monte Carlo Method (VaR); value-at-risk measure for calculating the (diaBR/r) is specified in three items:

• Historical data for exchange failures and hacks resulting in lost funds.
• Amount of Umbrella holdings per exchange.
• The distribution of Umbrella holdings on the network.
 
* Exchanges must provide proof of liabilities and pass a series of penetration tests before being insured.



Coming Soon.



Umbrella Website: http://umbr.la/Cryptocurrencies
Umbrella Press Release: http://umbr.la/p_R

CDIC Website: http://umbr.la/Cryptsurance



Twitter: https://twitter.com/UmbrellaCryptos
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/umbrellasecurities
Google+: http://umbr.la/googlePluS



Umbrella Forums: http://umbr.la/forumS
Umbrella Q&A: http://umbr.la/QanA
Reddit: http://umbr.la/ReDiT



Umbrella-BTC    

Windows
Macintosh
OSX
Source Code

Umbrella-LTC    

Linux:

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/umbrellaholdings/Umbrella-LTC/umbrella-ltc-5.3.5.1-linux64.zip

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/umbrellaholdings/Umbrella-LTC/umbrella-ltc_5.3.5.1.deb

Windows:

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/umbrellaholdings/Umbrella-LTC/umbrella-ltc-5.3.5.2-win32.zip

OSX:

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/umbrellaholdings/Umbrella-LTC/Umbrella-LTC-Qt-5.3.6.5.dmg.zip

Source:

https://github.com/UmbrellaHoldings

Umbrella-VTC    

Windows
Macintosh
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Source Code

Umbrella-DRK    

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Macintosh
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Code:
                                   
rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=13801
daemon=1
server=1
gen=0
addnode=104.131.135.126
addnode=162.243.240.231
addnode=128.199.148.246
addnode=104.131.135.122
addnode=104.131.227.173
addnode=128.199.148.245



Umbrella-LTC

http://give-me-coins.com/

http://myriad.p2pool.geek.nz/merge

Mine Litecoin/Umbrella/Pesetacoin in parallel.  No loss of hash.



Mine Doge and Umbrella-LTC.

http://www.simpledoge.com/

http://x11-x13-pool.org/umbrella-ltc/public/index.php

http://www.flash-mine.com/

Merged-Mining Pool

http://simplemulti.com/

https://vert.composedchaos.net



Exchanges with active CDIC policies (Fully Insured):





Exchanges without CDIC policies (Not Insured):


















http://umbr.la/ULTCBCE



http://umbr.la/BountY



http://umbr.la/hELP
http://umbr.la/QanA



Cold storage is provided free of charge by the CDIC.  Paper wallets are stored in a class TRTL-30 - 4,875lb safe.  Safe is located in a secured undisclosed data center.  Get in touch with them for more details, we understand it’s a pretty simple process.  You send in your paper wallets (Registered Mail) and they send you a monthly statement.  The CDIC prefers if you send in the aluminum BIP38 cards like these: http://cryptocards.ca/ as they are fire resistant.

http://umbr.la/cldStor



CDIC donations encouraged.  BTC: 1D4gSjWgo3Hp1JPuu9RL73gbFW8hopzRHJ



http://umbr.la/pressKIT



I am a compulsive gambler, where are the gambling websites?
Sorry, Umbrella cryptos are not meant to be used in this fashion.  People may choose to develop these websites, but we will not actively seek out these types of projects.  On the flip-side, gambling websites would benefit from Umbrella products as an added layer of protection.  We would encourage these types of sites to hold Umbrella as a way to protect it’s customers and self.

Why aren’t we buying our way onto exchanges?
Umbrella is not looking to become the next pump and dump alt-coin.  We are here to fill a gap in the market that has existed for some time.  We will not support buying our way onto any exchange.  The CDIC is currently reaching out to a number of exchanges in an effort to make they’re work more transparent.  We anticipate exchanges who are onboard to have access to a larger customer base.  Coexisting as partners would be beneficial to all.

Where is the IPO?
We believe in letting the market determine a securities price (as it should be).  No IPO, ever.

Why POW and not POS?
Proof of work has stood the test of time.  We have always attributed POW coins to being more akin to a commodity.  We feel this element is irreplaceable.  This was one of the driving forces for our initial involvement in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general.  With that being said, we have no plans to release a POS coin.

Why release multiple cryptocurrencies, huh?
We took notice of the gargantuan amount of hash pointed at Bitcoin, Litecoin, and other popular cryptocurrencies.  We were not looking to compete with these giants.  We didn’t believe our currency would displace dominant industry leaders with large followings, large cash influx, and entire ecosystems built around them.  We had to be honest with ourselves and figure out a way to coexist with them.  Coming from a use-case perspective, we knew we had something unique that would bring value to the ecosystem.  By taking the secondary, or auxiliary blockchain role, we would allow ourselves to break into a large market with the path of least resistance.  By not forcing the miner to sacrifice his hash for Umbrella, we feel we have put ourselves in the best position to succeed.  Choosing one leader from each algorithm allows almost anyone access to Umbrella, no matter what they mine.

Why is the term “Hedging” used when referring to Umbrella?
Let’s first look at the definition of “hedge”.  (Taken from investopedia.com & investinganswers.com)

Hedge: Making an investment to reduce the risk of adverse price movements in an asset. Normally, a hedge consists of taking an offsetting position in a related security, such as a futures contract.
How it is used: Hedging is like buying insurance. It is protection against unforeseen events, but investors usually hope they never have to use it. Consider why almost everyone buys homeowner's insurance. Because the odds of having one’s house destroyed are relatively small, this may seem like a foolish investment. But our homes are very valuable to us and we would be devastated by their loss. Using options to hedge your portfolio essentially does the same thing. Should a stock or portfolio take an unforeseen turn, holding an option opposite of your position will help to limit your losses.


Umbrella uses the term to describe a risk management strategy.  By owning two different cryptocurrencies; Bitcoin and Umbrella-BTC for example, you are reducing your exposure to risk by diversifying.  Umbrella takes this one step further by being a fully insured cryptocurrency, this transfers the remainder of risk to the CDIC.  Since Umbrella borrows various methods and strategies from a host of securities, it is hard to classify it as solely insurance.



Example: John owns 1 BTC and an equal amount (in value) of Umbrella-BTC.  Bob owns 1 BTC.  Both are held on Exchange XYZ.  Exchange XYZ fails and declares bankruptcy protection.  John opens up a claim to the CDIC and gets his Umbrella-BTC returned to him.  John is still out 1 BTC, but not completely wiped out by the exchange collapse.  On the other hand, Bob has lost all his money and has no where to turn for help.  He posts a sympathy thread on reddit hoping for donations :-(

Why do I need Umbrella?
As a community we have embraced autonomous digital currencies and have driven them to great heights.  We have enjoyed all the benefits they provide, from decentralization, to a certain amount of anonymity for everyday purchases.  The achilles heel is they are only as good as the exchange who holds them.  A look at history begins to paint a picture of extreme loss, fraud, and other misuse by these “trusted” exchanges.  Exchange fraud and insolvency have all too frequently become common headlines.  We want to see Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies flourish, these irresponsible acts are inexcusable as they tarnish the image of something we truly believe in.  The miner is almost always in the crosshair and has no where to turn for help.  We envision decentralised exchanges helping to solve some of the problems.  Other issues will not be solved anytime soon, such as the conversion to fiat.  Since fiat is not on a blockchain, we see no way for a complete decentralised exchange.  

Enter Umbrella, the merge-minable aspect makes it effortless to mine your own insurance without sacrificing your hash.  Move it to a trusted CDIC approved exchange, or offline to the CDIC’s cold storage vault and you are covered, simple as that.

How Can I Get Involved?
We are always looking for people to get involved in any way possible.  We would like to take this opportunity to start the Umbrella Ambassador Program.  We have set aside a portion of pre-allocation funds to compensate these team members.  What does an ambassador look like?  They are the ones populating our Q&A’s, forums and Sub-Reddit.  They are the ones tweeting away helping Umbrella gain traction.  They are the bounty hunters and the advocates.  Everyone can contribute, we understand people from all walks of life with a host of skillsets subscribe to these forums.  PM us for more details.  Let’s build something great together!  



Much to Do...
We have a long road ahead of us.  Product development includes a single multi-algo wallet once all Umbrella cryptos are finalized and out of beta.  The wallet will include in-app updates and a host of other features.  We are also working with the CDIC to insure Umbrella crypto’s while being held locally in their wallet.  We are working on several ways to satisfy their security requirements. We have a number of test environments setup that include two factor authentication via a token for the wallet, an Umbrella Linux distro similar to Qubes which would secure the wallet by isolation (Based on a secure bare-metal hypervisor - Xen).  Also, we are playing with some facial recognition API’s!

Coming soon.




Thank You!
We are happy with our progress thus far.  At this point we have thousands of hours invested with no plans on slowing down.  Part of the 1.5% pre-allocation is going to fund further development of our products, services, and the Umbrella ambassador program.  Stay tuned, and a deep thank you for taking to time to read this (we know it’s a lot).







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July 23

ULTC Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707603.0

July 27



7/7 Trust Index Score

Coins Source has ranked the developer of Umbrella.Holdings according to our Trust Index criteria listed below:

Umbrella Holdings Trust Index Ranking

Email Address: 1/1

Bitcointalk: Forum Name -> Umbrella Holdings = 1/1 verified (Account Age > 3 months)

Social Media: Verified = 1/1

Mobile Phone #: Verified by Text Message = 1/1

State ID or License: Copy Sent to Coins Source = 2/2

Address: Address Received and Matches ID, Post Card Verification Pending = 1/1

Total Score = 7/7

Coins Source has ranked the developer of Umbrella.Holdings according to our Trust Index criteria and has awarded him a total score of
7/7 based upon the information that he has provided. To learn more about the Coins Source Trust Index see http://www.coinssource.com/trust/

July 28

Umbrella-LTC Launches.

July 31


ULTC Listed



August 15


ULTC Listed



Translations:

Spanish

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687638.0

French

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707583.0

Chinese

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758201.0

October 14


Umbrella-LTC expands to cover Litecoin losses, details coming soon.




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You didn't let me edit and add more :p

I was saying that this concept is a bit out there.   I'm having a hard time reading it though could you please reformat the text so it's a bit easier on the eyes?  thanks that's better!

So what you're trying to do is create an insurance for crypto?  Is this backed by any one company or holding?


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An interesting and far-fetched concept. You say a portion of Umbrella's block reward goes towards an insurance fund? Well in essence this makes Umbrella a centralized currency. Secondly what's stopping you from using the insurance funds for your personal gain rather than it's intended purpose to insure assets?
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WHAT? 1.5% pre-allocation

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An interesting and far-fetched concept. You say a portion of Umbrella's block reward goes towards an insurance fund? Well in essence this makes Umbrella a centralized currency. Secondly what's stopping you from using the insurance funds for your personal gain rather than it's intended purpose to insure assets?

The insurance fund is controlled by a third party, (CDIC).  They control the wallet and provide proof of liabilities.

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July 12, 2014, 02:57:56 AM
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If a member exchange collapsed the price of Umbrella coins would collapse along with it. I would expect the market to devalue Umbrella coins on just a rumor of trouble at a member exchange, and when the victims get their insurance claim Umbrella coins they are going to dump them to recoup losses. Unless there is somebody setting an exchange rate or a set value for Umbrella coins I don't see how a free market price discovery method will work as a hedge against losses from an exchange being hacked.

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I'm eagerly awaiting the whitepaper for this one and will be reading closely. But I love the idea.
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An interesting and far-fetched concept. You say a portion of Umbrella's block reward goes towards an insurance fund? Well in essence this makes Umbrella a centralized currency. Secondly what's stopping you from using the insurance funds for your personal gain rather than it's intended purpose to insure assets?

The insurance fund is controlled by a third party, (CDIC).  They control the wallet and provide proof of liabilities.

www.cdic.us

Umm one small problem here. CDIC doesn't exist.

Well, this is the first I'm hearing of CDIC. No information is provided on their website as to who they are or what they've done so they've established zero credibility so far.
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what relation between Umbrella-BTC and BTC?! its have the same algo! that's all?!
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July 12, 2014, 03:28:38 AM
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If a member exchange collapsed the price of Umbrella coins would collapse along with it. I would expect the market to devalue Umbrella coins on just a rumor of trouble at a member exchange, and when the victims get their insurance claim Umbrella coins they are going to dump them to recoup losses. Unless there is somebody setting an exchange rate or a set value for Umbrella coins I don't see how a free market price discovery method will work as a hedge against losses from an exchange being hacked.

An interesting perspective and you are entitled to it.  Bitcoin exchanges close up shop to the tune of a couple times a month.  We don't see it's price collapsing further beyond the 600 Million Mt. Gox fiasco, which has it settled right around $600.  Just as you would expect the rumor of an exchange collapse to devalue Umbrella, we think it would drive the price up as people would want the security Umbrella can provide and guarantee.  The same way you would buy put options when a company puts out a bad quarterly report, or the rumor of one?  People want security, many don't have the means or know-how to acquire it.  We hope to make this a seamless process by being merge-mineable, and the coins scarcity should help maintain a healthy price once it hits the exchanges.

We are trying to bring a needed service to the community, far too many exchanges are closing up shop and taking people's money.  If nothing else, hopefully our work will help bring some transparency to these exchanges that we all trust.

As this concept is new and untested, time is the only measure of it's success or failure.  We went into this knowing this crypto wouldn't be for everyone.  We are okay with that. 



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Let's put all the speculations and questions aside for a sec and let's focus on the fact they are launching 4 fucking coins!

So 4 flavor, all merged-mined... it's not 4 ways to mine a coin, it's 4 different coins! What gives??


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Let's put all the speculations and questions aside for a sec and let's focus on the fact they are launching 4 fucking coins!

So 4 flavor, all merged-mined... it's not 4 ways to mine a coin, it's 4 different coins! What gives??



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Let's put all the speculations and questions aside for a sec and let's focus on the fact they are launching 4 fucking coins!

So 4 flavor, all merged-mined... it's not 4 ways to mine a coin, it's 4 different coins! What gives??



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Initial work started on these coins months ago (Pre-Myriad).  We had a decision to make, do we jump on the bandwagon and simply clone Myriad?  We decided against this and kept to our original plan.  We didn't wan't to jump into the untested flavor of the month in regards to algos or methods.  Call us paranoid network guys?  We like the true and tested.  We went with whats been working for years, we liked the separation and redundancy separate wallets and networks provide.  At the rate of which new algos come and go, its hard to plan one or even two months out.  Budget constraints also played a part in how things progressed.

If pre-allocation is a concern on multiple coins and the community feels strongly about this we can remove pre-allocation for our upcoming August launch. 

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July 12, 2014, 04:42:25 AM
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wow,interesting,keep an eye on this umbrella.

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July 12, 2014, 07:51:53 AM
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July 12, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
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I will read it closer! Smiley AMAZING PROYECT!  Grin  Grin  Wink  Wink

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July 12, 2014, 09:09:06 AM
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The tshirt are very very nice, i like buy  Grin
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July 12, 2014, 09:23:39 AM
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How much it´s the bounty for promotional video?
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July 12, 2014, 09:50:49 AM
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It looks good. But how we can be sure than the preallocation will be not dumped and everything is a scam again?
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