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July 29, 2014, 06:15:31 PM
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notice how those mass scam started with chinese era, 2013 wasn't that full of scam coin

It started after feathercoin came out and cloned litecoin then chinacoin and pretty muh every coin after that was and still is a scam.

This isn't true. There are several legit coins in existence.

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July 30, 2014, 09:43:25 PM
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We had a lot of fair coins mostly until end 2013. Get back to basics is the only way to end this circus that harms all of us.

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back to 'old', established products with community and dev that have been around for months and years.

Very new coins are ultra high risk. People need to be aware of that.

Even though I'm the (quasi-titular) lead dev and marketing guy for NFD, a relatively new Nxt clonecoin, things are so bad around here that I have to second your advice. I'm concurring with the tech team's careful go-slow approach, with meticulous testing, and I'm urging the community to be patient while I publicly back up the be-careful development policy. I can afford to wait for NFD to become more seasoned.






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July 30, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
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i think it's time to collect some ideas how to stop this scene-collective-suicide happening right now in alt coin markets

the point is: there are too many scams

too many scams lead to a complete abandon of exchanges by traders, less trust in bitcoin in general and a collective discontent for the constant losses of money and trust

i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

what we can actively do to stop this massacre?

- we need a professional alt coin exchange

i used mintpal till beginning, it has a great interface (and poor graphs), for a while acted professionally then the greed start eating their souls and basically adding all that shit-coins (isis?!?? lol) turned out to be a quite fast suicide

how to define a professional exchange?

- adding coin with serious intentions and projects, real world implementations etc. with at least few months of life

- give rich infos of every coin listed, with developers details and contacts, coin specs details, whitepaper, history and graphs.. is not that difficult to dedicate a single page to each coin with all the juicy details

- requests based on btc donations / votings should be ignored

more ideas?

Excellent post.

Exchanges have shot themselves in the foot. They rode the shitcoin wave and made a mint. Now the money is drying up. What will they do now that they have f*cked themselves?

As far as "professional" exchange goes, btc-e is the only one I know of that is close in the altcoin scene.

Traders have the power to lever change.


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July 30, 2014, 10:32:03 PM
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You can't save it, but it will all collapse anyway. People are already fed up with the constant coins, whether they are scamcoins are just shitecoins.

It's ultimately unsustainable.

The last 6 months especially has been revolting, with organised gangs moving into alts in a big way.

And yeah, I've been scolded to the tune of about 5 BTC (Gox made up half of that).

Fortunately, that 5 BTC was profit, so I'm not feeling sorry for myself. I'm still ahead ... just

I feel sorry for people that have actually lost money, though. I'm also sick and tired of the morons on here that blame victims for getting scammed. Why do that? It's very cruel. None of you should ever be allowed to sit on juries.

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July 31, 2014, 12:19:22 AM
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i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

If you take the lesson that came with your lumps and apply the lesson to investing in the stock market, you'll wind up saving a lot of money over your lifetime.

The lesson in question is a personal one: namely, what your limitations are. I found out the hard way here - and I found out the hard way on the penny stock market  Embarrassed - that I'm a lousy day trader. So I have to handicap the long term, buy, hold, wait, and find something to do with myself while I'm waiting. Here as well as there.

I also had to learn the hard way - here as well as on the penny stock market  Embarrassed  Embarrassed - that I get undisciplined and impatient even when I'm holding on for the longer term. I threw away more than 15 million Reddcoin at 6 satoshis - right at the start of its current run into double digits. Just like - because I was meek on the phone with my discount broker, strangely enough - I threw away a $100,000 profit on a turnaround stock by failing to order it up in illiquid certificate form in the dark days of early 2009. Had I held on as I vowed to until the end of 2010, and waited the six-or-so-weeks for it to be credited to my account, I would have had six figures. But the broker, after telling me about that six-week delay, explicitly advised me against going through with my order for a physical certificate. And at that point, I acted like an agreeable fellow and chickened out.

I ended up selling it for a teeny profit and went chasing after sometime else. Chasing after yet another shiny object...  Embarrassed 

So I've ben a slow learner in two ways. I've had to learn the hard way what my limitations are, and I've also had to learn - the hard way - how to play within my limitations skilfully. Both have involved taking a lot of lumps, although thankfully for me my biggest "losses" have been thrown-away profits.

To wrap up me talking about myself Wink , I suggest you regard the losses you've taken as a disguised lesson showing you your own limitations. Once you figure out what they are, and once you take any further lumps learning to play within those limits skillfully, you will have a hard-won skill set that - once you make it in the "real world" - will save you tens of thousands of dollars - and maybe more - over the course of your investing lifetime on the stock market.

One more thing: don't kid yourself about the woes you're facing resulting solely from cryptos being "unregulated." I've had enough experience in the quite regulated stock market to notice that the trading lunges there are strikingly similar to the mania-arc here. Truth be told, regulations only limn the ways in which you can decimate your portfolio. They do rule some ways as no longer in bounds, but they always leave other ways. That's because, at bottom, our biggest enemy as speculators is our own weaknesses.

And that can never be regulated away - only outlawed outright via prior restraint. Sorry to disillusion anyone, but that's the way it is.   

Best post I've read in the month of July!

I love the accountability. Traders win and lose. Often, when they win, they attribute it to their brilliance. When they lose, it was a scam, bad luck, or something external to them.

I've learned similar lessons, and frankly I don't care if every alt and BTC all go to zero overnight.

I suspect there are a lot of folks younger than me in this forum (46) and I hope that, if nothing else, you view losses as paying tuition to learn something you can use forever. That post is a great start.
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July 31, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
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Excellent post.

Exchanges have shot themselves in the foot. They rode the shitcoin wave and made a mint. Now the money is drying up. What will they do now that they have f*cked themselves?

As far as "professional" exchange goes, btc-e is the only one I know of that is close in the altcoin scene.

Traders have the power to lever change.

Yes, certainly: "Hey X! Remember Mintpal!?"

Ostensibly, it's odd that the exchanges themselves would be sucked into the altcoin bubble themselves and lose their heads - but once you've been around the block, you see this as normal. Some of the biggest bagholders after the Internet bubble collapsed were big executives and stakeholders of the bubble companies. An outsider would assume that they would know better, but they usually don't.

And as for gold...well, you don't get to be a biggie in the gold world without being a permabull. So even the top guys were holding the golden bag in '12 an '13.






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