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May 09, 2011, 05:58:44 AM
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Highly unethical?

Highly!

LOL


psy, Let's get on the same page, so we can reach an understanding:

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So you are one of those guys that clicks links without checking where it takes you by just hovering the pointer over it before clicking...
I wouldn't login to my bank account in your computer that's for sure!


Adf.ly links (when used without the end-users* knowledge) are something highly unethical, which is called link-hijacking

*end-user (in this context) = Person posting the link, not the person clicking.

Here is my point, quite simply:
  • Some admins use it on forums and the "hi-jacked" links are added without the end-user (who posted the link) being aware his/her link is being altered.

If you do not understand the above is wrong (highly unethical), then there is nothing I can do to help you, at this time.

So, what you are saying is that in a site that isn't user generated content it's perfectly fine to use adf.ly?  Roll Eyes
You surely know that the internet is composed by several types of web properties being user generated content sites just one of those types, don't you?  Shocked

So, using your reasoning we should also put an end to bitcoin because people use it to sell highly unethical stuff?

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May 09, 2011, 06:06:37 AM
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Here is my point, quite simply:
  • Some admins use it on forums and the "hi-jacked" links are added without the end-user (who posted the link) being aware his/her link is being altered.

If you do not understand the above is wrong (highly unethical), then there is nothing I can do to help you, at this time.

you're right as far as you say link hi-jacking is highly unethical,
what i don't get is, why it makes adf.ly (or similar) a bad service.

it's those forum-admins/-operators who act unethical, not the ad-services they abuse.
adf.ly, or linkbucks, to name anotherone don't hi-jack anything, they don't hide what they have to offer
and they don't force you to use them, nor to show full-page ads to clickers before showing any content, you could also decide to use framed ads, but you'll earn less (even less than you get anyway Cheesy).


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May 09, 2011, 06:12:21 AM
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it's those forum-admins/-operators who act unethical, not the ad-services they abuse.

How are they abusing the service if it's the service who provides the script to turn all external links into ad-links?
I would say they are just using a feature of the service, not abusing it!

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May 09, 2011, 06:18:59 AM
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well, the 'abuse' in Bit_Happy's example is,
that they do it without telling the end-user about it (where end-user is the person posting the link, not the one clicking it, if i got that right).

it's not actually an abuse of the ad-services, which provide those scripts for ethical use.

anyway,
i think it's a cool idea, even though it's not new
and services like that will pop up sooner or later anyway,
so do it!

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May 09, 2011, 06:23:46 AM
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well, the 'abuse' in Bit_Happy's example is,
that they do it without telling the end-user about it (where end-user is the person posting the link, not the one clicking it, if i got that right).

it's not actually an abuse of the ad-services, which provide those scripts for ethical use.

Exactly! If something they are abusing the end-users, not the ad-service.

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May 09, 2011, 06:25:03 AM
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you're right as far as you say link hi-jacking is highly unethical,
what i don't get is, why it makes adf.ly (or similar) a bad service.

it's those forum-admins/-operators who act unethical, not the ad-services they abuse....


This is what I said earlier:
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re: adf.ly users
If you want to pollute your own blog/website with adf.ly that is your choice to make.

    * Some admins use it on forums and the "hi-jacked" links are added without the end-user being aware his/her link is being altered.
^^^
I have serious issues with people who do that, as should most "decent people", IMO.

We agree almost 100%, Bitlex.



...as a friend who is trying to warn me about possible outcomes of my project. Smiley I like to take everyones opinions into consideration, and I definitely see the reasoning behind yours. Your opinion is valid...

Thanks, nice to meet you Ryland.  Smiley

BitLex, made a good point that the fault lies in the site admins, not the software. Also, you seem to have established a demand for your project. Someone mentioned a "download service" type usage and there (for example) I agree the ads would be expected.
In many other places, those ad.fly ads are truly "crap" and that will always be my opinion.


On the bright side:
  • (Legit) Ads are a huge industry and a great sector for Bitcoin to grow into, IMO. Ryland, and others, can help Bitcoin grow and make profits with ad related projects.

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May 09, 2011, 06:32:56 AM
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So, using your reasoning...

Perhaps I missed your answer:
Are you above 14 years old psy, and do you have a decent grasp on the English language?

re: ad.fly
Here is an example of someone who shares my opinion:
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Is this a plugin to make money or make sure none of your users ever come back to your forum?  I'm confused... oO;
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LOL?   Tongue

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May 09, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
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So, using your reasoning...

Perhaps I missed your answer:
Are you above 14 years old psy, and do you have a decent grasp on the English language?

re: ad.fly
Here is an example of someone who shares my opinion:
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Is this a plugin to make money or make sure none of your users ever come back to your forum?  I'm confused... oO;
~Source

LOL?   Tongue

No, my son is older than 14, which means probably older than you...  Shocked

You should spend less time in forums because you really seem to think the internet is just forums...

And i really like how you ignored everything i said and went to the insult part that i was trying to ignore.
That really shows who the child is! YOU!

PS: It's sad that you have to go to other forums to find someone who "shares your opinion"... The only problem is that you don't seem to have one, you just steal the opinions from others!

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May 09, 2011, 06:56:03 AM
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I think this is a very good idea! I don't see any problems with it at all.

Adds are everywhere on the web (torrents, 4shared, rapidshare, ...), and this is pretty fair since all this services are free!

What Bit_Happy considers "hijacking" I consider a reasonable way to charge your users, only instead of charging money you're charging a very little time of their eyeballs. And you're not doing it for nothing, you're helping to bring to the user that content he wanted and clicked on your link for.

About spammers... they are the "unethical" ones (just like with e-mails), not the service providers.
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May 09, 2011, 07:33:54 AM
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No, my son is older than 14, which means probably older than you...  Shocked

You should spend less time in forums because you really seem to think the internet is just forums...

And i really like how...

Reality

Post #13 is very rude
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7191.msg112231#msg112231

Post #17 is inaccurate, and shows a genuine lack of attention to detail:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7191.msg112248#msg112248

Would you honestly want your son to see the way you treat other people?
Seriously,
  • Would you honestly want your son to see the way you treat other people?


<back on topic>
Ads are a huge industry and proper use can benefit many individuals and the Bitcoin economy.





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May 09, 2011, 07:42:21 AM
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What Bit_Happy considers "hijacking" I consider a reasonable way to charge your users, only instead of charging money you're charging a very little time of their eyeballs. And you're not doing it for nothing, you're helping to bring to the user that content he wanted and clicked on your link for....

  • FYI: I am not upset or "shouting", I am increasing the text size to encourage people to pay more attention to detail:

If you want to pollute your own blog/website with adf.ly that is your choice to make.

    * Some admins use it on forums and the "hi-jacked" links are added without the end-user (who posted the link) being aware his/her link is being altered.
^^^
I have serious issues with people who do that, as should most "decent people", IMO.

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May 09, 2011, 07:43:26 AM
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Seriously,
  • Would you honestly want your son to see the way you treat other people?


Yes, he should know how to treat guys like you from the start!

Now, get over it!

btw, don't you know what an EDIT button is? Stop double posting!
You should give more attention to detail yourself, because when you are writing a reply you have a list with all previous replies and a link to insert a quote in your reply, no need for double posts!

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May 09, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
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Now, get over it!...

You think there is anything to get over, LOL!

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btw, don't you know...

Anyone who reads this thread, with any real attention to detail, knows well enough by now...

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May 09, 2011, 08:36:01 AM
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Anyone have any pricing suggestions? What should I charge advertisers? What should I pay... uh... shorteners?

Prices charged to advertisers in adf.ly.
Please note that these values change daily in their website but it should give you a general idea of the price.
If you want i can get you also the Leaderboard prices and the value they pay to publishers.
Probably will be better to send it to you in a PM or else it will be a big wall of text!
Or maybe you can just go to their website and see for yourself. Not sure if those pages need login or not.

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Price 1,000 Interstitial ads
 
Worldwide
Traffic from all over the world.
   $1.00
Proxy Traffic
Traffic from proxy servers. All the rules above still apply EXCEPT it is from known proxy servers, great for some quick and cheap traffic. This is still human traffic, no bots. 1/2 PRICE SALE!
   $0.40
 
United States
   US    $5.00
 
United Kingdom
   GB    $4.00
 
Australia
   AU    $3.00
Canada
   CA    $3.00
Cyprus
   CY    $3.00
Germany
   DE    $3.00
Greece
   GR    $3.00
Ireland
   IE    $3.00
Korea, Republic Of
   KR    $3.00
Netherlands
   NL    $3.00
New Zealand
   NZ    $3.00
Singapore
   SG    $3.00
South Africa
   ZA    $3.00
United Arab Emirates
   AE    $3.00
 
France
   FR    $2.50
 
Austria
   AT    $2.00
Belgium
   BE    $2.00
China
   CN    $2.00
Czech Republic
   CZ    $2.00
Denmark
   DK    $2.00
Finland
   FI    $2.00
Hong Kong
   HK    $2.00
Hungary
   HU    $2.00
India
   IN    $2.00
Italy
   IT    $2.00
Japan
   JP    $2.00
Latvia
   LV    $2.00
Norway
   NO    $2.00
Poland
   PL    $2.00
Portugal
   PT    $2.00
Romania
   RO    $2.00
Slovakia
   SK    $2.00
Spain
   ES    $2.00
Sweden
   SE    $2.00
Switzerland
   CH    $2.00
Turkey
   TR    $2.00
Venezuela
   VE    $2.00
 
Bosnia And Herzegovina
   BA    $1.50
Brazil
   BR    $1.50
Croatia
   HR    $1.50
Serbia
   RS    $1.50
 
Algeria
   DZ    $1.00
Argentina
   AR    $1.00
Armenia
   AM    $1.00
Bangladesh
   BD    $1.00
Bolivia
   BO    $1.00
Bulgaria
   BG    $1.00
Chile
   CL    $1.00
Colombia
   CO    $1.00
Ecuador
   EC    $1.00
Egypt
   EG    $1.00
Georgia
   GE    $1.00
Israel
   IL    $1.00
Libya
   LY    $1.00
Lithuania
   LT    $1.00
Macao
   MO    $1.00
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic Of
   MK    $1.00
Malaysia
   MY    $1.00
Mexico
   MX    $1.00
Montenegro
   ME    $1.00
Morocco
   MA    $1.00
Pakistan
   PK    $1.00
Peru
   PE    $1.00
Philippines
   PH    $1.00
Russian Federation
   RU    $1.00
Saudi Arabia
   SA    $1.00
Slovenia
   SI    $1.00
Sri Lanka
   LK    $1.00
Taiwan
   TW    $1.00
Tunisia
   TN    $1.00
Ukraine
   UA    $1.00
 
Indonesia
   ID    $0.50
Thailand
   TH    $0.50
Vietnam
   VN    $0.50

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Any news about this project?

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March 09, 2012, 06:30:50 PM
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It's not a bad idea.

Modders who link their mods usually use something like this to earn a bit for their work. What's wrong with that?

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March 09, 2012, 07:57:40 PM
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It's not a bad idea.

Modders who link their mods usually use something like this to earn a bit for their work. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that some guys think everything should be free on the internet.

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The last post of Ryland is dated January 17, 2012.
Is he dead or jailed? Shocked

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