BEWARE AMT_miners

[crashoveride54902]

You can't sue if it's true hehe...or you can try n lose...Ya do that..waste more money

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[Billbags]

So AMT miners will steal your money and then sue you? Sounds like a great company to do business with.

[rogerdonkey]

amt miners scam?

[hayseed]

amt miners scam?

Read the links in the first post. Then https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.0 Their so called
auction where they keep changing the terms and jerking around the winners.

This is recent.

[Billbags]

I think I remember these guys. Didn't they have a YouTube video hooking a technobit bitfury board to that buggy hexminer sortware on a laptop claiming it was their technology? Those pictures on this post look like generic A1's and some other generic rack mount. That board says Bitmine-AMT. Bitmine? Seriously?

[clenell]

These are the lies told to me by Joshua Zipkin, owner and crook extraordinaire, of AMT miners

1. they lied about my initial delivery date
2. they lied about updating this thread every week
3. they lied about keeping an order queue
4. they lied about mailing me a refund
5. they lied about wiring me a refund
6. they have lied about saying they would hire people from this forum (twice)
7. they lied about something as dumb as being associated with Freemasons
8. they  lied about my second delivery date
9. they lied about being able to pay with credit cards on their website
10. THEY LIED ABOUT PAYING BRUNO 20btc
11. zipkin lied about saying he was going to ship my miner as "punishment" for calling him out on this website and amazon.com
12. they lied about the wattage
13. josh said he was starting his "own forum"... just another lie.
14. they lied about saying they would hire someone to answer/help with phone calls and emails.
15. i think i can safely say AMT has lied about their MPP. They have shown no willingness to make up for late delivery and subsequent difficulty increases.
16. josh lied about "selling" a miner to bruno. he then turns around and admits to sabotaging the miner by increasing the voltage to 0.96.
17. they lied about supplying me a new tracking number today 4/1/14.
18. NO certified (ISO or any other) facility being used in the manufacture of these miners. rumor has it he was assembling them in his parents house. lol
19. AMT claimed the boards were tested and were running fine. LIE!
20. zipkin knowingly mailed out broken hardware to get agencies off his ass.

[Gleb Gamow]

LEAK!

[7/8/2014 7:55:38 PM] customer2: [Monday, July 7, 2014 10:39 PM] Joshua:

<<< but im still delivering dragon miners to existing customers[Monday, July 7, 2014 10:39 PM] Joshua:

<<< i cant give them a selection from a legal standpoint, the lawyers tell me just ship everyone the same miner and produce them for as cheap as possibleThis stays here for now of course.

LEAK!

[7/16/2014 8:28:17 AM] Joshua: black arrow, assic miner fractory showed me around

[7/21/2014 6:36:56 PM] Joshua: yea most of the miners went out

[7/21/2014 6:57:18 PM] Joshua: idealy we're not keeping to the MPP
[7/21/2014 6:57:26 PM] Joshua: there is just no way, thats why we never mention naything about
[7/21/2014 6:57:28 PM] Joshua: it

LEAK!

[7/27/2014 2:08:45 PM] Joshua: they've all been shipped
[7/27/2014 2:09:05 PM] Joshua: tomorrow is the last batch that goes out and its with DHL already
[7/27/2014 2:09:25 PM] customer2: well no tracking record in my in0box and believe same for customer1..
[7/27/2014 2:09:26 PM] Joshua: its 5-7 days ship time
[7/27/2014 2:09:35 PM] Joshua: yea were too lazy to do that
[7/27/2014 2:09:38 PM] Joshua: lol
[7/27/2014 2:10:06 PM] Joshua: plus we dont want to receive "sorry I will not accept your miner, please give me a refund"
[7/27/2014 2:10:30 PM] Joshua: its smarter, trust me

LEAK!

[7/27/2014 2:10:30 PM] Joshua: its smarter, trust me
[7/27/2014 2:11:04 PM] customer2: Well, like an bastard child showing up at a doorstep in a basket, can't do much about it..
[7/27/2014 2:11:12 PM] Joshua: right
[7/27/2014 2:11:22 PM] Joshua: proof of shipment and receipt.
[7/27/2014 2:11:31 PM] Joshua: cants sue me individually after that
[7/27/2014 2:12:07 PM] Joshua: and the class action gets dropped because all miners have been received accept for lead plaintiffs
[7/27/2014 2:13:10 PM] Joshua: also plaintifs councel does not have a chance to ammend their "faulty" equipment claim because we have the last right of claim or w/e
[7/27/2014 2:14:06 PM] Joshua: AMT is the only company to beat a class action, and nowthe only company making standarized casing with 4 different chips
[7/27/2014 2:14:14 PM] Joshua: now all i need is clients rights
[7/27/2014 2:14:40 PM] Joshua: we got the 2u A1/A2 stable and working now
[7/27/2014 2:14:43 PM] Joshua: looks great too

LEAK!

[7/27/2014 3:16:26 PM | Edited 3:16:41 PM] customer2: Josh - need to edit Craigs name to the forum one unless you have proof of permission to use. Just dotting the legals...
[7/27/2014 3:16:50 PM] Joshua: fuck the legals, ive already won
[7/27/2014 3:17:02 PM] Joshua: but ill change it to his username
[7/27/2014 3:17:12 PM] customer2: (y)
[7/27/2014 3:18:35 PM] customer2: 'Poking the Geek in a cage' may be fun but not a good idea these days. Damn lawyers... D
[7/27/2014 3:18:53 PM] Joshua: my lawyers say we've already won
[7/27/2014 3:19:05 PM] Joshua: the other lawyers dont want to pursue the case
[7/27/2014 3:19:10 PM] customer2: w00t!
[7/27/2014 3:19:33 PM] Joshua: unless someone steps up and throws them 100k in legal fees they're pulling out
[7/27/2014 3:19:42 PM] Joshua: thats why craig is so loud these days cause he knows that

LEAK!

[7/27/2014 3:21:10 PM] Joshua: im gonna start running this like the online casino businesses, offshore companies with CC processing
[7/27/2014 3:21:24 PM] Joshua: ah and the financing program came through lol
[7/27/2014 3:21:29 PM] customer2: (ninja)
[7/27/2014 3:21:31 PM] Joshua: after 3-4 months
[7/27/2014 3:21:39 PM] Joshua: but again,no people

[7/27/2014 10:53:33 PM] customer1: FYI biomech has a point on the whole insulting clients back
[7/27/2014 10:53:36 PM] customer1: Makes sense
[7/27/2014 10:53:43 PM] customer1: As frusterating as it is to do otherwise
[7/27/2014 11:01:24 PM | Edited 11:02:08 PM] customer2: ja. At least the part on Lenell being last in line is appropo and his own doing though. And not even out of 'geting back' spite. As a litigants I doubt AMT is even allowed to send him rigs untill his case is settled.
[7/27/2014 11:01:49 PM] Joshua: im really going to sue him
[7/27/2014 11:01:58 PM] Joshua: hes poor he doesnt have the money to fight it
[7/27/2014 11:02:17 PM] Joshua: he just doesnt shut up
[7/27/2014 11:07:15 PM] Joshua: I just wanna sue everyone
[7/27/2014 11:07:19 PM] Joshua: Lol
[7/27/2014 11:07:39 PM] Joshua: Because everyone is suing me

LEAK!

[7/30/2014 10:07:22 AM] customer1: good morning all. Any updates?
[7/30/2014 10:08:22 AM | Edited 10:19:47 AM] customer2: <scans horizon>
None sighted yet (headbang)... (smoking)
[7/30/2014 10:36:55 AM] Joshua: they are like stuck in hong kong
[7/30/2014 10:37:15 AM] Joshua: ok..honestly
[7/30/2014 10:37:33 AM] Joshua: we halted them  in hong kong because we made like a naughty and nice list ofclients right
[7/30/2014 10:37:38 AM] Joshua: and thats how we formed the batches
[7/30/2014 10:37:51 AM] Joshua: the naughty list didnt have Psu's
[7/30/2014 10:37:59 AM] Joshua: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSU's
[7/30/2014 10:38:12 AM] Joshua: so we bought psu'sandhave been installingthem in all day in hong kong
[7/30/2014 10:38:21 AM] Joshua: the others with PSU's shipped
[7/30/2014 10:38:31 AM] Joshua: like..customer2ards and ISAWHIMs..
[7/30/2014 10:38:51 AM] Joshua: i can ship two of the rackmount to customer1 as well
[7/30/2014 10:39:00 AM] Joshua: since this half
[7/30/2014 10:39:01 AM] Joshua: halt
[7/30/2014 11:29:30 AM] customer1: lol so Im on the naughty list?

LEAK!

[8/4/2014 12:07:05 PM] Joshua: its the least i can now that they other room is up

[8/4/2014 12:09:31 PM] Joshua: see that though, we try and start selling on the forum and they flip out again
[8/4/2014 12:09:39 PM] Joshua: watch what they do when i update the site
[8/4/2014 12:09:45 PM] Joshua: im done giving a fuck about anything
[8/4/2014 12:09:59 PM] Joshua: my wife is divorcing me basically
[8/4/2014 12:10:02 PM] Joshua: and she was hot
[8/4/2014 12:10:06 PM] Joshua: is hot..
[8/4/2014 12:10:12 PM] customer3: she is hot Smiley
[8/4/2014 12:10:29 PM] Joshua: she so pissed that im away so long doing this crap
[8/4/2014 12:10:42 PM] Joshua: she doesnt live with me in US, she stays in Sofia
[8/4/2014 12:10:59 PM] Joshua: and shes like.. starting the "Joshua.. we need to start being realistic"
[8/4/2014 12:11:14 PM] Joshua: ineed to get my ass out of asia and backover there and fix that
[8/4/2014 12:11:25 PM] Joshua: and i need to sell before we go completely broke
[8/4/2014 12:11:35 PM] Joshua: and i dont give a fuck about anything or anyone else anymore
[8/4/2014 12:11:41 PM] Joshua: thats where im at mentally guys

LEAK!

Don't worry Josh. Your wife's fucking another Jewish Bulgarian Freemason Gimp's dick, because that's probably all that slut's worth. And, she has to be a slut to have married you.

LEAK!

[8/6/2014 2:21:00 PM] Joshua: its wont matter
[8/6/2014 2:21:21 PM] Joshua: im not worried about selling
[8/6/2014 2:21:34 PM] Joshua: i just want these fuckers to shut upalready
[8/6/2014 2:21:39 PM] customer1: They wont
[8/6/2014 2:21:45 PM] customer1: not until all of this is over with
[8/6/2014 2:21:46 PM] Joshua: im just going to piss them off even more
[8/6/2014 2:21:50 PM] Joshua: even when it is
[8/6/2014 2:21:54 PM] Joshua: they still wont shut up
[8/6/2014 2:22:00 PM] Joshua: because they'll loose the lawysuit
[8/6/2014 2:22:03 PM] Joshua: and feel even more fucked
[8/6/2014 2:22:18 PM] customer1: Right BUT if you fulfil the MPP, they got no reason to bitch.
[8/6/2014 2:22:35 PM] Joshua: theres no way in hell to do it
[8/6/2014 2:22:38 PM] customer1: You took the rug out from under them and the OTHER people who got hardware will turn on them and shut them up
[8/6/2014 2:22:40 PM] Joshua: MPP is everlasting
[8/6/2014 2:22:44 PM] customer1: Not really
[8/6/2014 2:22:46 PM] Joshua: even a little bit
[8/6/2014 2:22:47 PM] customer1: Not for most
[8/6/2014 2:22:50 PM] Joshua: for most yes
[8/6/2014 2:22:51 PM] customer1: I mean a comprimise
[8/6/2014 2:22:58 PM] Joshua: they will always scream ROI ROI
[8/6/2014 2:23:01 PM] Joshua: and they'llnever meet it
[8/6/2014 2:23:04 PM] customer1: Of course they do it in every thread
[8/6/2014 2:23:06 PM] Joshua: better to say fuck MPP
[8/6/2014 2:23:13 PM] Joshua: and focus on working with nicer clients only

LEAK!

[10:22:14 AM] Joshua: we had a issue with the psu's
[10:22:19 AM] Joshua: we wanted to ship without psu's
[10:22:37 AM] Joshua: and we recalled 100+ back from hong kong to put PSU's in them
[10:22:54 AM] Joshua: those were the photos we posted
[10:23:07 AM] Joshua: but really we were opening them up,putting psu's in them and shipping them back out
[10:23:12 AM] Joshua: and now they are in hong kong again

LEAK!

I say Joshua Zipkin, son of scammer Harrison Zachariah Zipkin, has just shot himself in the foot. When he deletes this post, it'll be posted at several other places. What a totally piece of shit this fuckin' Jewish Bulgarian Freemason Gimp turned out to be.

My name is Bruno Kucinsaks, and I live at 406 W. Center St., Sandwich, IL  6058. Ph # is 815-508-1668, and I'm the one that just fucked up Josh Zipkin's life big time because the asshole deserved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[10:28:53 AM] Joshua: unless we get some funding from somewhere it'll take a minimum of 20-30 sales a week to keep going

Hey, Boi! Order a couple dozen miners from AMT to keep that venerable enterprise afloat. How'd you like that pic of those 10 miners you requested? Pretty awesome, eh! Tell you a secret: THERE WEREN'T 10 MINERS TO SHOW YOU. Best go with that Black Arrow offer. Rumor has it that there'll the bestest.

LEAK!

This leak was brought to you by the Drama Queen of Bitcoinland, paid for by... (foregone payment, for this was too much fun).

[crashoveride54902]

@Gleb Gamow that was awesome good job

[notbatman]

I hope you're not implying that Black Arrow shipped my now almost worthless miner to an AMT customer instead? WTF?

[ladi4ever]

I would not buy nothing from AMT, Lost $12K, paid 2 orders since October 2013...got no money back from him...BEWARE BEWARE....he has lawsuit coming after him.

[nutildah]

Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners.

Support us or get out of our way.

I'm not sure I've ever encountered a more concentrated proportion of sociopaths than reading through this forum.

In natural human populations it is less than 1% but on this forum its probably around 5-7%.

But I mean its fun though. The same way watching American Greed is fun. And fascinating.

[opieum2]

JOSHUA ZIPKIN, THE OWNER OF AMT MINERS HAS STOLEN MONEY FROM ME. HE IS A LIAR. HE IS A CON ARTIST. HE RUNS THE MOST CORRUPT COMPANY I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY 40+ YEARS.

And now we we'll start litigation against Craig Lenell personally. After giving him several warnings, and several notices to stop his crap, enough is enough. Craig you'll be served sometime next week.

We don't need to explain ourselves again, our story has been told 50 times over. Back ordered miners are shipped and on their way to everyone's doorstep. Even lead plaintiffs at this point. We would not continue selling (just like we haven't for the last few months) until the majority of our backlogged ordered.

Hate us if you want, theres nothing more we can do about it. honestly its about who can build and drop ship a working miner at this point, and if you can pay with a secure form of payment. And of course the price. We're sorry about the first 200 some clients, and will do what ever we can to satisfy them without going out of business in the process.

Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners.

Support us or get out of our way.

Of course it should be noted there are other AMT related scam threads with other levels of details.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752430.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741795.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569821.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722263.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571855.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603878.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759543.0

The fact is there is plenty of information to determine that they have done nothing but lie time and time again. There are chats to even confirm that. I was one of the participants in those aforementioned chats and can provide more than just text on the very same chats (and have in some of the other threads). Most of it with Joshua Zipkin stating that he was not packing miners, but unpacking them because he had played favorites (something that made the crytptocoinsnews.com rounds).

I think the point is clear but they are insistent on trying to fleece people. its important to make sure we don't have another BFL on our hands here.

Oh and curiouser...I am reasonably certain AMT has not actually sued clenell. Since their post was dated August 4th next week would have been 3 weeks ago. But I suppose he can confirm that. Chances are they might try and sue me instead.

[eightcylinders]

Confirming AMT is an outright scam.  Stay away from them and stay away from any business associated with them.  Would be good to post info on related businesses too, I lost track a long time ago and wrote off this investment as a theft on my taxes.

To reiterate the scope of lies, AMT told me via private email in February that my miners would be shipped within a week.  We found out later that, at that point in time, AMT had not even retained a contract firm to design and produce its hashing boards!  So the promise to ship my miners in a week was an outright impossibility - e.g., lie.

[opieum2]

I have had personal interactions with Joshua Zipkin. I attempted to help to get the community refunds and for them to fulfil the MPP. Joshua Zipkin had a whole sob story about how things didnt go right and manufacturing problems. Meanwhile he had the money, AND was bragging about petahash farms, beating the class action, and moving operations away from the US. At the same time he said "fuck the MPP" read the chats above. I was customer 1 in those chats. It has been covered in the press as well.

[Xandrah]

Thanks for the heads up, yet another lying miner company to avoid.

[bitsalame]

I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH.

Refine that a bit:

Josh Zerlan
Josh Zipkin
Josh Zeidner

[notbatman]

I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH.

Refine that a bit:

Josh Zerlan
Josh Zipkin
Josh Zeidner

There's guy at G4W is named Josh, I'd put BTC down that his last name starts with a Z.

[opieum2]

I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH.

Refine that a bit:

Josh Zerlan
Josh Zipkin
Josh Zeidner

There's guy at G4W is named Josh, I'd put BTC down that his last name starts with a Z.

Josh GarZa. Z in there lol. But at least he is operating a business that actually delivers product. Hell Joshua Zipkin had a "cloud" service that was basically running out of what looked like a laundromat with power issues. He has abandoned the US market claiming we are sue crazy.  jzdtack624 is Joshua Zipkins skype name.  If you have Skype you should easily be able to verify that.

[7/27/2014 11:07:03 PM] jzdtack624: I just wanna sue everyone
[7/27/2014 11:07:07 PM] jzdtack624: Lol

Fact is Josh Zipkin (cause I know he reads these) your ADHD ass should pay close attention. You are essentially exiled from the USA. Set foot here and you will be arrested. That much you can be sure of. I also know it's that reason that you didn't show your fat ass at the inside bitcoins conference. May not have been the best thing to talk about it so openly for us I would have preferred you were in cuffs but since you lack a pair, I figure the misery you will deal with from here on out will be good enough, but now you are an exile from the US. And the fact you have a reputation as a scammer and a general idiot from what has been said about you already even in the insidebitcoins conference (which has been relayed by various sources). Well even you knew that already loumay. This is why you don't fuck with your customers. You ripped us off. Now we teamed up and are making sure you never make another satoshi in this industry.

Here is his talk and excuses about refunds...reasons NOT to give them. I gave him advice on what to do. Something even a reasonable attempt.

[8/12/2014 1:21:49 PM] Tony: Honestly one thing you REALLY need to do to make this right is to repair your reputation. IF you get money back from IMET refund the difference of the original purchase price (if someone paid 6k subtract 1250 for the hardware recieved and refund 4750). You want sales...that starts to show your good faith effort and people will trust you again. They can forgive (maybe not all) but you can actualy get repeat sales this way if you can consistently show you are trying to make all this right.
[8/12/2014 1:21:55 PM] Opieum2: I am not saying I wont buy I gotta think about it
[8/12/2014 1:22:02 PM] Opieum2: BUT you gotta make a public show of it.
[8/12/2014 1:22:24 PM] Opieum2: I know the money is tight but short term profits vs long term equity which will lead to long term profits is key
[8/12/2014 1:22:26 PM] Joshua: its not possible
[8/12/2014 1:22:31 PM] Joshua: 250 doesnt cover the sales
[8/12/2014 1:22:38 PM] Joshua: there will be people left unpaid
[8/12/2014 1:22:43 PM] Opieum2: Ok so what you said about using the IMET money to refund clients is not true then?
[8/12/2014 1:22:51 PM] Joshua: i could do a refund percentage split across the board from all the money received
[8/12/2014 1:22:53 PM] Joshua: thats it
[8/12/2014 1:22:54 PM] Opieum2: You said that in the forum publicly
[8/12/2014 1:23:04 PM] Joshua: well thats the plan
[8/12/2014 1:23:07 PM] Opieum2: Which would be what?
[8/12/2014 1:23:36 PM] Joshua: its difficult to calculate, somepeople ordered 5 or more machines
[8/12/2014 1:23:39 PM] Joshua: it would be based on machines
[8/12/2014 1:23:48 PM] Opieum2: Right so how much per machine then?
[8/12/2014 1:23:57 PM] Joshua: i dont know exactly
[8/12/2014 1:24:13 PM] Joshua: also we still have some bills piling up like legal fees and stuff
[8/12/2014 1:24:15 PM] Opieum2: Thats the thing. I think if the amount is reasonable most people would understand.

Some more chats on this. On where LouMay comes from.

[8/12/2014 1:36:10 PM] Joshua: pictures on the forum
[8/12/2014 1:36:35 PM] Joshua: ahh they'll sell
[8/12/2014 1:36:39 PM] Joshua: yes but again, investment money
[8/12/2014 1:37:02 PM] Joshua: im in a position where im good with inno and ive made friends with all channels of manufacturing
[8/12/2014 1:37:21 PM] Joshua: from the pcb house to design guys, etc
[8/12/2014 1:37:25 PM] Joshua: they call me LouMay
[8/12/2014 1:37:25 PM] Opieum2: Ok well you are getting a distribution chain.
[8/12/2014 1:37:28 PM] Opieum2: That is what you need
[8/12/2014 1:37:34 PM] Joshua: it means Fat Big American
[8/12/2014 1:37:38 PM] Opieum2: LOL
[8/12/2014 1:37:47 PM] Opieum2: Geez
[8/12/2014 1:37:59 PM] Joshua: its said in a humorous way though

[opieum2]

Oh I thought I would add this one. This was regarding the shipping. He had planned on shipping without notifying people. Hence why people got surprise orders this was Josh's commentary on that way back in July then again in August when stuff actually shipped:

[7/28/2014 12:14:27 AM] jzdtack624: they can refuse it at the door
[7/28/2014 12:14:35 AM] jzdtack624: despite the signature
[7/28/2014 12:15:35 AM] jzdtack624: so they'll  know which day its coming and some of the crazies like Perez could be like... Nope..

[7/30/2014 12:03:20 AM] Customer2: (tumbleweed)(tumbleweed)(d) Any word on Tracking or have thngs been Shanghai'd? (bug)
[7/30/2014 10:07:06 AM] Opieum2: good morning all. Any updates?
[7/30/2014 10:08:06 AM | Edited 10:19:30 AM] Customer2: <scans horizon>
None sighted yet (headbang)... (smoking)
[7/30/2014 10:36:39 AM] jzdtack624: they are like stuck in hong kong
[7/30/2014 10:36:58 AM] jzdtack624: ok..honestly
[7/30/2014 10:37:17 AM] jzdtack624: we halted them  in hong kong because we made like a naughty and nice list ofclients right
[7/30/2014 10:37:21 AM] jzdtack624: and thats how we formed the batches
[7/30/2014 10:37:35 AM] jzdtack624: the naughty list didnt have Psu's
[7/30/2014 10:37:42 AM] jzdtack624: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSU's
[7/30/2014 10:37:56 AM] jzdtack624: so we bought psu'sandhave been installingthem in all day in hong kong
[7/30/2014 10:38:04 AM] jzdtack624: the others with PSU's shipped
[7/30/2014 10:38:15 AM] jzdtack624: like..Customer2 and Customer4..
[7/30/2014 10:38:34 AM] jzdtack624: i can ship two of the rackmount to Opieum2 as well
[7/30/2014 10:38:43 AM] jzdtack624: since this half
[7/30/2014 10:38:45 AM] jzdtack624: halt