Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine

[Rassah]

Pure curiosity , is there somebody that can post the prices for fresh (not refrigerated) salmon in their countries ?
I'm sure Nemo can give some hint to Norway or Russia prices but the rest?

Picking some at the market yesterday I have a feeling we pay the most.
I paid around 15 euros per kilo at Auchan yesterday.

Fresh as in swimming in an aquarium at the store? Or fresh as in refrigerated, but never frozen?

Nor frozen, only refrigerated.

$11 per pound, or about $5 per kilo at my local grocery

[niothor]

Pure curiosity , is there somebody that can post the prices for fresh (not refrigerated) salmon in their countries ?
I'm sure Nemo can give some hint to Norway or Russia prices but the rest?

Picking some at the market yesterday I have a feeling we pay the most.
I paid around 15 euros per kilo at Auchan yesterday.

Fresh as in swimming in an aquarium at the store? Or fresh as in refrigerated, but never frozen?

Nor frozen, only refrigerated.

$11 per pound, or about $5 per kilo at my local grocery

That doesn't make sense as a pound is half a kg.

And since we're talking sanctions and salmon...
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/murmansk-fish-factory-challenges-russia-s-food-ban/506748.html

"We took out bank loans and fully modernized our factory last year, designed to process fresh fish coming from Norwegian waters. With a ban in place we have now stopped production," Mikhail Zub told The Moscow Times.

The factory employs just 280 workers, but if it had been working at full capacity, it could have had 1,500 staff. The factory is capable of producing 70,000 tons of processed fish products annually, almost double the output of all other producers in the Murmansk region.

1120 happy unemployed Russians who might had a chance and 280 who will go unemployed. . I bet they all shout "heil putin" in the morning.

[bryant.coleman]

Maybe some day you will be able to explain what those US bases and invasions have to do with Russia invading countries and Ukraine?

The difference is that the Americans have invaded dozens of nations, for their natural resources (especially crude oil and natural gas). But apart from the Kiev propaganda, there is no proof that Russia has ever invaded another nation ever since it became independent in 1991. Even if the Russians invade Ukraine, what will they gain? Millions of malnourished elderly people who live off $10 per month pensions?

[niothor]

Maybe some day you will be able to explain what those US bases and invasions have to do with Russia invading countries and Ukraine?

The difference is that the Americans have invaded dozens of nations, for their natural resources (especially crude oil and natural gas). But apart from the Kiev propaganda, there is no proof that Russia has ever invaded another nation ever since it became independent in 1991. Even if the Russians invade Ukraine, what will they gain? Millions of malnourished elderly people who live off $10 per month pensions?

The difference is that you're a broken whataboutism machine
Every time something bad is said about Russia you start about the others...

Russia is invading Ukraine...but the americans invaded Iraq..
The difference is that Americans go home after the war , Russians stay there and claim that is their historical land.

[bryant.coleman]

The difference is that Americans go home after the war , Russians stay there and claim that is their historical land.

Americans going home? Where? As far as I can see, they are still in Germany and Japan. WW2 was finished almost 70 years ago.. and the American troops are still there. The German gold reserve is still kept by the Americans and they have rejected the requests to repatriate them. If you want recent examples, then these is the case of Afghanistan.

Now talking about Ukraine, Putin has never claimed that Ukraine is historical Russian land and that country should be annexed to Russia. But it should be remembered that Russian is spoken by more people than any other language in Ukraine.

[niothor]

The difference is that Americans go home after the war , Russians stay there and claim that is their historical land.

Americans going home? Where? As far as I can see, they are still in Germany and Japan. WW2 was finished almost 70 years ago.. and the American troops are still there. The German gold reserve is still kept by the Americans and they have rejected the requests to repatriate them. If you want recent examples, then these is the case of Afghanistan.

Now talking about Ukraine, Putin has never claimed that Ukraine is historical Russian land and that country should be annexed to Russia. But it should be remembered that Russian is spoken by more people than any other language in Ukraine.

The difference is that Germans agree with the deployment of US troops on their territory.
In fact more and more countries in the EU demand the presence of allied troops. .

Btw , aren't you the one that was crying for the west to arm the kurds?
Ironic , isn't it.

[bryant.coleman]

The difference is that Germans agree with the deployment of US troops on their territory.

I don't know from where you are getting your information from. Even the heavily pro-US sources like Rasmussen agree that the majority of the Germans are opposed to the stationing of US troops in Europe.

http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/04/majority-germans-nato-troops-eastern-europe-german-neutrality/

Germany still is under de-facto occupation and its government’s policy with regard to NATO is not necessarily German policy, let alone representative of the German population. The majority of Germans are against a NATO presence in Eastern Europe and would like to see a Germany at equal distance from both NATO and Russia, reveals a recent poll.

I know that people in some of the Eastern block nations such as Poland, Romania, Latvia.etc want the US troops on their soil. But Germans are too intelligent to fall in to the trap.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/25/us-germany-nato-east-idUSKBN0F00S120140625

Nearly three quarters of Germans would oppose NATO having permanent NATO military bases in eastern Europe as requested by Poland and the Baltic states because of a perceived threat from Russia, according to a new poll released on Wednesday.

[niothor]

The difference is that Germans agree with the deployment of US troops on their territory.

I don't know from where you are getting your information from. Even the heavily pro-US sources like Rasmussen agree that the majority of the Germans are opposed to the stationing of US troops in Europe.

http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/04/majority-germans-nato-troops-eastern-europe-german-neutrality/

Dr. Christof Lehmann is the founder and editor of nsnbc. He is a psychologist and independent political consultant on conflict and conflict resolution and a wide range of other political issues. His work with traumatized victims of conflict has led him to also pursue the work as political consultant. He is a lifelong activist for peace and justice, human rights, Palestinians rights to self-determination in Palestine, and he is working on the establishment of international institutions for the prosecution of all war crimes, also those committed by privileged nations. On 28 August 2011 he started his blog nsnbc, appalled by misrepresentations of the aggression against Libya and Syria. In March 2013 he turned nsnbc into a daily, independent, international on-line newspaper.

Indeed , such trustworthy anal ist.

[Rassah]

$11 per pound, or about $5 per kilo at my local grocery

That doesn't make sense as a pound is half a kg.

Sorry, backwards math. $23 per kilo.

1120 happy unemployed Russians who might had a chance and 280 who will go unemployed. . I bet they all shout "heil putin" in the morning.

Problem is, these people had nothing to do with Putin's actions, and aren't really responsible. So they lose their jobs while Putin keeps the $150 billion he stole. And this harm coming from outside has a chance of making them feel attacked by and start heating outsiders, as much as them hating Putin for putting their country in that situation.

[Rassah]

Maybe some day you will be able to explain what those US bases and invasions have to do with Russia invading countries and Ukraine?

The difference is that the Americans have invaded dozens of nations, for their natural resources (especially crude oil and natural gas). But apart from the Kiev propaganda, there is no proof that Russia has ever invaded another nation ever since it became independent in 1991.

OK, so there is a "difference" between Russian and US invasions... But what do US invasions, that are different, have to do with Russia invading other countries and Ukraine? Did Russia decide that, although this is a bad thing, since US does it, it's OK?

Even if the Russians invade Ukraine, what will they gain?

Billions of dollars worth of gas, and being able to continue to be a government-owned monopoly with the only source of gas for Europe? (You know, communist stuff)

[bryant.coleman]

Billions of dollars worth of gas, and being able to continue to be a government-owned monopoly with the only source of gas for Europe? (You know, communist stuff)

Billions of dollars of gas from where? From the farting neo-Nazis of the Right Sector?

As far as I know, Ukraine imports almost 100% of its gas from Russia (Gazprom). Many of the heavy industries in Ukraine are heavily dependent on the Russian gas. The only Ukrainian resources which are of any use are the coal deposits and the agricultural fields. Both are of no use to Russia, as it is a net exporter of coal and cereal.

[niothor]

Billions of dollars worth of gas, and being able to continue to be a government-owned monopoly with the only source of gas for Europe? (You know, communist stuff)

Billions of dollars of gas from where? From the farting neo-Nazis of the Right Sector?

As far as I know, Ukraine imports almost 100% of its gas from Russia (Gazprom). Many of the heavy industries in Ukraine are heavily dependent on the Russian gas. The only Ukrainian resources which are of any use are the coal deposits and the agricultural fields. Both are of no use to Russia, as it is a net exporter of coal and cereal.

Love how you twist every bit of information just to suit your needs.

A month ago you were claiming that all this war was for the american companies to extract shale gas in Ukraine and now out of the blue there is no more shale gas in Ukraine.

How about you make your mind?

[Nemo1024]

The difference is that in 1812 Russia was allied with Prussia ,Austria and England
In 1942 was fighting Germany with the help of England and USA.

Now its allies are North Korea and Belarus. .

Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

Save Russia from such allies - with them you don't need enemies. Austrians didn't meet up with the Russian Army after Kutuzov's march over the Alps to face Napoleon. That was when Paul I dropepd the Austria/British alliance and started negotiations about an alliance with Napoleon. So Paul I got murdered by the British-financed traitors.

In 1940s USA were supplying outdated and rotten military food rations to Soviet Union as "help". My grandmother almost died during WWII (and had her liver destroyed for the rest of her life), not as a result of German bombings, but from the American "help".

And England was an ally in most wars with the aim of dragging Russia into said wars. WWI could have been avoided altogether if not the the English "help".

[niothor]

The difference is that in 1812 Russia was allied with Prussia ,Austria and England
In 1942 was fighting Germany with the help of England and USA.

Now its allies are North Korea and Belarus. .

Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

Save Russia from such allies - with them you don't need enemies. Austrians didn't meet up with the Russian Army after Kutuzov's march over the Alps to face Napoleon. That was when Paul I dropepd the Austria/British alliance and started negotiations about an alliance with Napoleon. So Paul I got murdered by the British-financed traitors.

In 1940s USA were supplying outdated and rotten military food rations to Soviet Union as "help". My grandmother almost died during WWII (and had her liver destroyed for the rest of her life), not as a result of German bombings, but from the American "help".

And England was an ally in most wars with the aim of dragging Russia into said wars. WWI could have been avoided altogether if not the the English "help".

Let's imagine ww2 in which Germany is allied with Us , Uk  and France against Russia.
Do you think Stalingrad or Leningrad would have happened? Be honest .

[Rassah]

Billions of dollars worth of gas, and being able to continue to be a government-owned monopoly with the only source of gas for Europe? (You know, communist stuff)

Billions of dollars of gas from where? From the farting neo-Nazis of the Right Sector?

Either that, or all the crap that's been coming out of Russia and its supporter's mouths

But, seriously, "Ukraine has an estimated 42 trillion cubic feet (tcf) of technically recoverable shale gas reserves" (http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/24/beneath-the-ukraine-crisis-shale-gas/). At an average of $10 per 1000 cubic feet, that's about $420 billion worth.

As far as I know, Ukraine imports almost 100% of its gas from Russia (Gazprom). Many of the heavy industries in Ukraine are heavily dependent on the Russian gas.

Yes, that's because this gas was discovered just recently, and Ukraine was only planning to start mining it. "On Nov. 5, 2013 (just a few weeks before the Maidan demonstrations began in Kiev), Chevron signed a 50-year agreement with the Ukrainian government to develop oil and gas in Ukraine." But then Russia decided that wasn't a good idea, and invaded with one of the reasons being to protect their own gas interests. Under the tried and true guise of "our people are being discriminated against in that country we have nothing to do with!"

[fsb4000]

The difference is that in 1812 Russia was allied with Prussia ,Austria and England
In 1942 was fighting Germany with the help of England and USA.

Now its allies are North Korea and Belarus. .

Also , they forget about the 200 years they payed tribute to the golden horde;). Or the destruction left by Crimean Tatars, the Swedish conquest and polish occupation.

Save Russia from such allies - with them you don't need enemies. Austrians didn't meet up with the Russian Army after Kutuzov's march over the Alps to face Napoleon. That was when Paul I dropepd the Austria/British alliance and started negotiations about an alliance with Napoleon. So Paul I got murdered by the British-financed traitors.

In 1940s USA were supplying outdated and rotten military food rations to Soviet Union as "help". My grandmother almost died during WWII (and had her liver destroyed for the rest of her life), not as a result of German bombings, but from the American "help".

And England was an ally in most wars with the aim of dragging Russia into said wars. WWI could have been avoided altogether if not the the English "help".

Let's imagine ww2 in which Germany is allied with Us , Uk  and France against Russia.
Do you think Stalingrad or Leningrad would have happened? Be honest .

UK,US and France didn't help until 6 June 1944, when they realized that the Soviet Union would win.

Save Russia from such allies +1000000

[Rassah]

Yeah, that's true... Just like the only reason Japan gave up was because they were worried that USSR would invade them from the other side, and only used the nuclear bomb attack as an excuse for why they are giving up. They recognized (correctly) that USA is the MUCH lesser of the two evils to be invaded by.

[Nemo1024]

Well, well, well, do we have more sanctions here? Norway decided to join the new round of EU sanctions against Russia of the 12th of September. My, oh my, and I was starting to wonder why I saw more of the export-packaged Norwegian salmon in the Norwegian shops...
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1461634?utm_medium=rss20

In the meantime Japan considers to recall the visit invitation to the Russian President, after USA insisted it must do so:
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/50885

Meanwhile Poroshenko still hasn't fulfilled his main election promise: to sell his conditory factory in case of victory:
http://ria.ru/world/20140923/1025259203.html
Coupled with him continuing to do as Obama and USA orders and murdering Ukrainian people, it is logical that Russia should be hit by sanctions. Clear as the day. If your neighbour rapes your wife, it's you who should go to prison.

[Rassah]

It's pretty silly that you're still denying that Russia had anything to do with the fight in Eastern Ukraine, or that it annexed Crimea, despite overwhelming evidence.

[fsb4000]

It's pretty silly that you're still denying that Russia had anything to do with the fight in Eastern Ukraine, or that it annexed Crimea, despite overwhelming evidence.

no evidences. do not fool yourself