Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine

[Nemo1024]

I think it's time to start a separate thread on this theatre of absurdity.

There's been several waves of sanctions against Russia, none of which were well formulated or reasoned. Sanctions were imposed solely to hurt Russia, but the ones hurting are the EU and US businesses.

Some Polish representatives even went to the hypocritical step of calling Russian response of banning of some of the agricultural products as unfair, and threatening to complain to WTO.

Well. It seem counter-sanctions have not even started yet...

Putin asks government to develop countermeasures to Western sanctions
http://rt.com/news/178192-putin-sanctions-west-response/

Putin stressed that Moscow’s response should be “cautious.”

“Obviously we need to do it cautiously in order to support domestic manufacturers, but not hurt consumers,” he said on Tuesday.

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On Tuesday, Vedomosti daily reported Russia was considering limiting, or even completely blocking European flights to Asia that cross Siberia, in response to EU sanctions that caused Aeroflot subsidiary, Dobrolet, to suspend flights on Monday.

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Nevertheless, despite mounting international pressure on Russia, a reputed Putin ‘inner circle’ figure – businessman Gennady Timchenko - has said recently that the big Russian businesses hurt by Western sanctions will not even think about putting pressure on President Putin, because the interests of the state are at stake in the conflict.

More:
http://rt.com/business/177748-dobrolet-aeroflot-suspends-flights-crimea/
http://rt.com/business/178028-russia-eu-sanctions-dobrolet/
http://rt.com/business/177088-eu-sanctions-banks-sberbank/
http://rt.com/news/176832-eu-sanctions-russia-list/
http://rt.com/uk/178160-russia-sanctions-british-jobs/
http://rt.com/op-edge/178044-modern-diplomacy-logic-sanctions/
http://rt.com/op-edge/176984-sanctions-russia-ukraine-gaza-conflict/

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140805/191742842/Russian-Prime-Minister-Says-Budget-Plan-for-2015-Should-Reflect.html
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140805/191746150/Poland-to-Lose-700-Million-Due-to-Decrease-in-Exports-to-Russia.html
http://en.ria.ru/interview/20140804/191692763/Western-Sanctions-on-Russia-Aimed-at-Humiliating-Moscow--.html

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743667 (Castro says US, Europe’s biggest mistake is underestimating Russian people)

[Nemo1024]

While EU/US-backed Nazi government in Kiev continues ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Russian population in the East of the country, Russia itself is under economic attack from EU/US and is finally forced to reply in kind:

Putin bans agricultural imports from sanctioning countries for 1 year
http://rt.com/news/178484-putin-russia-sanctions-agriculture/

Putin signs decree on countermeasures to Western sanctions
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743798

Russia’s retail chains to replace imported food products in 1-2 months
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743813

...And will be switching to local suppliers
http://ria.ru/economy/20140806/1019047017.html

However, Canada continues undeterred:
Canada enlarges list of sanctions against Russia, Ukraine
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743799

Canadians also put Kadyrov on the list of sanctions, presumably because Kadyrov sanctioned Obama.  
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/06/sanctions/

[Nemo1024]

Russia to ban all US agricultural products, EU fruit & vegetable imports - watchdog
http://rt.com/business/178540-russia-ban-us-poultry/

[cinder]

Russia to ban all US agricultural products, EU fruit & vegetable imports - watchdog
http://rt.com/business/178540-russia-ban-us-poultry/

Economic warfare.

Does US import anything from Russia?

[Nemo1024]

Russia to ban all US agricultural products, EU fruit & vegetable imports - watchdog
http://rt.com/business/178540-russia-ban-us-poultry/

Economic warfare.

Does US import anything from Russia?

Space rocket engines?

In the meantime, EU says they may act "an-eye-for-an-eye" and close EU air space for Russian companies if Russia closes tarns-Siberian airspace for EU companies as a response to EU sanctions.

This actually makes it "an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye". Does start to sound absurd already? There'll be more.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2540143

[beetcoin]

now that our space exploration industry doesn't have to rely on russia, maybe it's going to spend some money on for R&D, or buy rockets from spacex at a significantly cheaper cost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DhU57CJzhU

[Nemo1024]

Switzerland to enforce EU sanctions on Russia
http://rt.com/business/178144-switzerland-eu-sanctions-russia/

The Swiss government has extended sanctions to include 26 people in Russia and Ukraine, as well as 18 organizations, so the country isn’t used as a channel to avoid EU and US sanctions.

Switzerland itself hasn’t imposed any sanctions, but some of the EU measures will now apply in the country which is surrounded by the European Union.

Same shit...

Known for its neutrality, Switzerland has delayed imposing sanctions, and didn’t heed America’s call in March to respond and sanction Russia over Crimea’s reunification with Russia.

The EU’s sectorial sanctions are its most serious step against Russia to date. European leaders have been increasing pressure on the Russian government for several months by imposing visa bans and asset freezes on a number of individuals the EU considers responsible for Moscow's policy toward Ukraine.

Neutrality, right. Time to move accounts to Hong-Kong.

[Nemo1024]

Sanction wars rage on, and taking funny turns:

Russia published a list of goods prohibited for import:
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1365746?utm_medium=rss20
The list: http://government.ru/media/files/41d4f8cdfeeb731522d2.pdf

Russia closed its airspace for Ukrainian operators. Similar sanctions are prepared against EU and US operators:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/07/ukrair/

EU becomes frightened, and runs to the bully for help.

EU will protest the sanctions that it came under through WTO:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/268105

So, EU sanctioning Russia is perfectly ok, while Russia replying in kind is bad?

In the meantime, Belarus sees an opportunity and offers to replace the EU goods with Belorussian product:
http://ria.ru/economy/20140807/1019101308.html

This is very well, especially since Belorus is the last country in Europe that retained all of its agricultural and industrial potential and has not been robbed by WTO like other post-Soviet states, including Russia.

Medvedev promises protective measures (counter-sanctions) against Western heavy industries:
http://top.rbc.ru/economics/07/08/2014/941548.shtml

And against the backdrop of all this, Obama tells how effective sanctions are:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/07/obama/

Of course they are effective - for the US, in weakening Europe. Divide and conquer, eh?

[bryant.coleman]

The Europeans / Japanese / Australians are going to suffer and the Americans will be sitting back and watching the game. Russian exports can't be sanctioned, as it is mostly comprised of crude and gas. But the imports such as meat and fruits can be sourced from somewhere else. Only the European farmers are going to suffer loses.

[Balthazar]

"Product of Fatherland"

[bryant.coleman]

"Product of Fatherland"

Russia has ignored its agricultural sector for too long. Now it will take at least a decade to repair it, so that the production reaches the same level as in the Soviet times. And it helps that the fertile farmlands of Crimea are currently within the borders of Russia. 

[niothor]

The Europeans / Japanese / Australians are going to suffer and the Americans will be sitting back and watching the game. Russian exports can't be sanctioned, as it is mostly comprised of crude and gas. But the imports such as meat and fruits can be sourced from somewhere else. Only the European farmers are going to suffer loses.

From where? From the farms on mars?
If the farmers in brazil or argentina will sell their products to russia now it means that the country to which they used to export is not getting anything and will buy from europe.

You can't produce out of the blue 5 billion worth of products it's not like in the oil industry where you can release a tap and that's all.

[bryant.coleman]

If the farmers in brazil or argentina will sell their products to russia now it means that the country to which they used to export is not getting anything and will buy from europe.

If beef is imported from Argentina / Brazil, then the ranchers there will expand their business, producing more meat from their ranches. There is plenty of barren land in South America, which can be converted to ranches.

[gmx95]

Russia has today announced its own sanctions, mostly banning produce from US, EU and some other countries. I think they will be hit harder then Russia. This whole sanctions story was bound to fail. Look at Iran: sanctions have never stopped anyone from developing country's economy.

[Bitsaurus]

Russia has today announced its own sanctions, mostly banning produce from US, EU and some other countries. I think they will be hit harder then Russia. This whole sanctions story was bound to fail. Look at Iran: sanctions have never stopped anyone from developing country's economy.

Sanctions did hurt Iran economically - it just didn't keep them from getting centrifuges.  Every radical group in that area would love to see an Islamic state with the bomb, so they did everything they could to smuggle stuff in.  Nobody is was enforcing the borders anyways, certainly not Russia who was Iran's biggest trade partner.

[bitsmichel]

Perhaps a work-around is possible, let China buy, buy from China. It would cost more, but.. still possible?
Tugs in the government messing with the people as usual.
No idea why EU is funding ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, I thought they didn't like Nazis  

[niothor]

If the farmers in brazil or argentina will sell their products to russia now it means that the country to which they used to export is not getting anything and will buy from europe.

If beef is imported from Argentina / Brazil, then the ranchers there will expand their business, producing more meat from their ranches. There is plenty of barren land in South America, which can be converted to ranches.

How long will that take?

Cows reach maturity after at least 9 moths but most at 12 , add this to the gestation period so it will take two years just to have ready the new cows to enlarge the herds. add the same period to start producing extra meat.

Of course , the farmers could buy those cows....from europe who will have plenty;).

The reason russia was importing food from europe was because it was cheaper the hike will be reflected in the people wallets.
Along with the 3% new sale tax that will be added next year.
And with the 6% yearly inflation.

[Nemo1024]

The Europeans / Japanese / Australians are going to suffer and the Americans will be sitting back and watching the game. Russian exports can't be sanctioned, as it is mostly comprised of crude and gas. But the imports such as meat and fruits can be sourced from somewhere else. Only the European farmers are going to suffer loses.

From where? From the farms on mars?
If the farmers in brazil or argentina will sell their products to russia now it means that the country to which they used to export is not getting anything and will buy from europe.

You can't produce out of the blue 5 billion worth of products it's not like in the oil industry where you can release a tap and that's all.

EU farmers can, for a change, stop dumping their produce into the garbage abiding by various bureaucratic regulation, and instead sell it on internal market. Maybe something positive will come out of it for EU as well...

[Nemo1024]

The reason russia was importing food from europe was because it was cheaper the hike will be reflected in the people wallets.
Along with the 3% new sale tax that will be added next year.
And with the 6% yearly inflation.

Mainly because the damned WTO membership and various international agreements were ensuring destruction of domestic production.

The country is at war now, and economic one, but still a war. Russians are notoriously resilient when threat comes from outside (once again).

[niothor]

The Europeans / Japanese / Australians are going to suffer and the Americans will be sitting back and watching the game. Russian exports can't be sanctioned, as it is mostly comprised of crude and gas. But the imports such as meat and fruits can be sourced from somewhere else. Only the European farmers are going to suffer loses.

From where? From the farms on mars?
If the farmers in brazil or argentina will sell their products to russia now it means that the country to which they used to export is not getting anything and will buy from europe.

You can't produce out of the blue 5 billion worth of products it's not like in the oil industry where you can release a tap and that's all.

EU farmers can, for a change, stop dumping their produce into the garbage abiding by various bureaucratic regulation, and instead sell it on internal market. Maybe something positive will come out of it for EU as well...

Nothing good will come out of this.
Not for the eu not for russia.

Oh wait , let me rephrase this.
Nothing good will come out of this for normal russians or eu citizens.