FREE ELECTRICITY: Magnets Motor Electric Generators (Perpetual Machines)

[PeanutCoins]

any of you guys heard of earth batteries thats free power from the earths magnetic field

[BowieMan]

any of you guys heard of earth batteries thats free power from the earths magnetic field

What the heck are earth batteries? We have to define 'free' energy first, if you ask me. Solar energy is also 'free' - the sun won't charge us. But the energy always comes from somewhere, it is never being generated out of 'thin air'. There is no such thing as energy from nothing.

[BombaUcigasa]

any of you guys heard of earth batteries thats free power from the earths magnetic field

Did you hear about Newton's Third Law?

[BitcoinMillionaire]

Umm guys, is this guy for real? I mean isn't this one of those impossible things? I mean, you can't just create infinite energy with such a machine basically powering itself, can you? I'm puzzled now!

[Yakamoto]

Umm guys, is this guy for real? I mean isn't this one of those impossible things? I mean, you can't just create infinite energy with such a machine basically powering itself, can you? I'm puzzled now!

He confused and has no intelligence related to this.

It is impossible. There can be no reward, as physics simply cannot allow this.

/thread

[BombaUcigasa]

Umm guys, is this guy for real? I mean isn't this one of those impossible things? I mean, you can't just create infinite energy with such a machine basically powering itself, can you? I'm puzzled now!

It starts like sarcasm but then it becomes too serious. Or maybe it's doing that to throw us off.

But hey, if you can locate a free energy device, you can get 1000000 USD prize. But WAIT, there's more: You get a Novel prize! But WAIT, there's more, you become worldwide famous. Bonus round, you can win the JREF prize of another 1000000 USD prize! And maybe more, in books, TV shows, etc.

What's stopping you from accessing these riches for ANY purpose you have!? Just come forward with your device!

(does not apply to BitcoinMillionaire, money means nothing to him now)

[luttelcoin]

Free electricity? really?

Electricity will never be free, NEVER...
In this case free means cheap.

[ijphlrnxewho]

HoJo Permanent Magnet Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9s3u08YUM

[BombaUcigasa]

HoJo Permanent Magnet Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9s3u08YUM

Nobel Prize >> http://www.nobelprize.org/

Go get it...

[e1ghtSpace]

free something is always a scam

Wrong! Consider the most complicated things in life that you have. These include your body and brain and abilities, mostly things you received free. Even your parents had fun getting you going.

Nobody can replace your hand if you lose it completely. All the money in the world can't buy your hand back. It might buy a good artificial hand, but it can't buy one that is the same as the original. You got the original virtually free.

A house or a car, things that people can make, are not free. They cost money, and usually a lot of money.

How strange a universe we live in. The highly complicated things that NOBODY can make are given to you free. But the things that we can build cost money. How utterly strange.

That's just merely a question of how you interpret 'free' nothing is free. Your body needs matter to exist, you have to eat, your parents had to do something. Nothing's free. People never do something just because they're nice. Even if they appear to be doing that, they just do it to get a good feeling. That's what you paid them then.

But is the universe free since there was nothing there in the first place?

[BADecker]

free something is always a scam

Wrong! Consider the most complicated things in life that you have. These include your body and brain and abilities, mostly things you received free. Even your parents had fun getting you going.

Nobody can replace your hand if you lose it completely. All the money in the world can't buy your hand back. It might buy a good artificial hand, but it can't buy one that is the same as the original. You got the original virtually free.

A house or a car, things that people can make, are not free. They cost money, and usually a lot of money.

How strange a universe we live in. The highly complicated things that NOBODY can make are given to you free. But the things that we can build cost money. How utterly strange.

That's just merely a question of how you interpret 'free' nothing is free. Your body needs matter to exist, you have to eat, your parents had to do something. Nothing's free. People never do something just because they're nice. Even if they appear to be doing that, they just do it to get a good feeling. That's what you paid them then.

You might be correct. There might be some little tiny thing we do to receive our bodies and lives. Maybe accepting them is really doing something. But the fact will always remain, without a lot of outside forces bringing us into existence, we just simply wouldn't exist. There's no way that we can make ourselves before we exist to do anything. So we got it free, free for us, at least. Somebody else might have had to do a lot of work, like God, for instance.

[BADecker]

Perpetual motion: Impossible.

You know, it'll be EXTREMELY difficult to make something better than a generator. The efficiency just isn't there.

You have to produce all possible electricity from the coil, and have minimal flow resistance to the motor, just to allow for it to power itself. Creating excess energy, to power other things, is an even more difficult task...

It will have to be kick-started by something, often, in order to keep the machine producing...

+1 perpetual motion machines aren't physically possible -> entropy.

If you want to believe what they teach in college, so that we don't look for what is there and reasonably obvious.

Consider the river that powers the turbine to make electricity. We might direct the river a little, but we certainly don't cause the water to exist. The whole thing runs constantly. And if you do regular maintenance on the dam, the water keeps on flowing, all by itself. It might flow like this forever. So the turbines might make electricity forever.

Is it perpetual motion in the "pure" sense? Probably not. But we simply don't know enough about all the secrets of the universe to be able to tell for sure. Someday we might.

Yet, for all intents and purposes, in a practical sense, it IS perpetual motion. The rains have been coming, the waters have been flowing, for thousands of years. If people knew how to make turbines and generators 5,000 years ago, they could have. That's at least 5,000 years of perpetual motion!

[phosphorush]

Perpetual motion: Impossible.

You know, it'll be EXTREMELY difficult to make something better than a generator. The efficiency just isn't there.

You have to produce all possible electricity from the coil, and have minimal flow resistance to the motor, just to allow for it to power itself. Creating excess energy, to power other things, is an even more difficult task...

It will have to be kick-started by something, often, in order to keep the machine producing...

+1 perpetual motion machines aren't physically possible -> entropy.

If you want to believe what they teach in college, so that we don't look for what is there and reasonably obvious.

Consider the river that powers the turbine to make electricity. We might direct the river a little, but we certainly don't cause the water to exist. The whole thing runs constantly. And if you do regular maintenance on the dam, the water keeps on flowing, all by itself. It might flow like this forever. So the turbines might make electricity forever.

Is it perpetual motion in the "pure" sense? Probably not. But we simply don't know enough about all the secrets of the universe to be able to tell for sure. Someday we might.

Yet, for all intents and purposes, in a practical sense, it IS perpetual motion. The rains have been coming, the waters have been flowing, for thousands of years. If people knew how to make turbines and generators 5,000 years ago, they could have. That's at least 5,000 years of perpetual motion!

Starts will die -> Water will freeze -> River stops generating energy

[BADecker]

Perpetual motion: Impossible.

You know, it'll be EXTREMELY difficult to make something better than a generator. The efficiency just isn't there.

You have to produce all possible electricity from the coil, and have minimal flow resistance to the motor, just to allow for it to power itself. Creating excess energy, to power other things, is an even more difficult task...

It will have to be kick-started by something, often, in order to keep the machine producing...

+1 perpetual motion machines aren't physically possible -> entropy.

If you want to believe what they teach in college, so that we don't look for what is there and reasonably obvious.

Consider the river that powers the turbine to make electricity. We might direct the river a little, but we certainly don't cause the water to exist. The whole thing runs constantly. And if you do regular maintenance on the dam, the water keeps on flowing, all by itself. It might flow like this forever. So the turbines might make electricity forever.

Is it perpetual motion in the "pure" sense? Probably not. But we simply don't know enough about all the secrets of the universe to be able to tell for sure. Someday we might.

Yet, for all intents and purposes, in a practical sense, it IS perpetual motion. The rains have been coming, the waters have been flowing, for thousands of years. If people knew how to make turbines and generators 5,000 years ago, they could have. That's at least 5,000 years of perpetual motion!

Starts will die -> Water will freeze -> River stops generating energy

Perhaps. But we don't know this. And, we don't really know if physics was the same 5,000 years ago. Maybe electricity wouldn't have worked back then.

The point is that the water flowed back then, just like it does today. We can regulate it some, but we can't turn it on, and we can't turn it off. It all is part of the gigantic universe in which man is only a tiny nothing.

It might be perpetual motion in the pure sense. Who knows? We certainly don't have enough data to tell for sure. As far as tiny man is concerned, it might as well be perpetual.

[zimmah]

I believe magnets hold a lot of potential energy, for the reason that electricity and magnetism are one and the same.

For example electricity can be converted into magnetism and vice-versa.

Induction creates heat or electricity as well, and electricity creates magnetic fields as well.

Magnets hold their magnetic power for years, decades, maybe centuries or longer, and they have a lot of power.

If we could somehow directly transfer this energy without waste or with a very small percentage of waste (in the form of heat or other forms of energy we can't utilize, unless heat is wanted of course) I believe magnets could make incredibly lightweight efficient batteries that can last a lifetime.

Imagine a plane engine running on electricity powered by several magnets stored inside the wings (where we now store fuel) and the plane having enough power to not have to refuel for months, years, decades, or maybe even the complete lifecycle of the airplane itself.

Impossible? I don't think so, it's not exactly 'free energy' as you will eventually drain the magnets. But since magnets are found inside the earth anyway and since magnets do have a lot of energy stored (at least, that's what i think) it would be converting one form of energy into a more useful form of energy.

It's like nuclear fission or fusion, except safer. Except we don't know if magnets can be used in this way yet, and if so, how to do it.

Yes, i know we can generate electricity from magnets and we often do, but we are not using the magnets like batteries yet, so that doesn't count, the methods we use now are very primitive, and i believe they can be several orders of magnitude more efficient.

[BADecker]

I believe magnets hold a lot of potential energy, for the reason that electricity and magnetism are one and the same.

For example electricity can be converted into magnetism and vice-versa.

Induction creates heat or electricity as well, and electricity creates magnetic fields as well.

Magnets hold their magnetic power for years, decades, maybe centuries or longer, and they have a lot of power.

If we could somehow directly transfer this energy without waste or with a very small percentage of waste (in the form of heat or other forms of energy we can't utilize, unless heat is wanted of course) I believe magnets could make incredibly lightweight efficient batteries that can last a lifetime.

Imagine a plane engine running on electricity powered by several magnets stored inside the wings (where we now store fuel) and the plane having enough power to not have to refuel for months, years, decades, or maybe even the complete lifecycle of the airplane itself.

Impossible? I don't think so, it's not exactly 'free energy' as you will eventually drain the magnets. But since magnets are found inside the earth anyway and since magnets do have a lot of energy stored (at least, that's what i think) it would be converting one form of energy into a more useful form of energy.

It's like nuclear fission or fusion, except safer. Except we don't know if magnets can be used in this way yet, and if so, how to do it.

Yes, i know we can generate electricity from magnets and we often do, but we are not using the magnets like batteries yet, so that doesn't count, the methods we use now are very primitive, and i believe they can be several orders of magnitude more efficient.

+ 1

[phosphorush]

Lasting a lot of time =/= perpetual.

You can read Michio Kaku's Physiscs of the Impossible, it's the only sci-fiction technology that is really impossible according to the known physics.

[BombaUcigasa]

Impossible? I don't think so, it's not exactly 'free energy' as you will eventually drain the magnets. But since magnets are found inside the earth anyway and since magnets do have a lot of energy stored (at least, that's what i think) it would be converting one form of energy into a more useful form of energy.

It's like nuclear fission or fusion, except safer. Except we don't know if magnets can be used in this way yet, and if so, how to do it.

So it's another energy source with direct and indirect costs. It will be wasteful to extract it, it will pollute the environment and eventually it will run out. It is also impractical to use as energy storage compared to chemical methods.

It is not FREE. It costs the people that use it, everyone else that doesn't use it and doesn't solve a problem.

How about renewable energy directly from the sun?

[iluvbitcoins]

Perpetual motion: Impossible.

You know, it'll be EXTREMELY difficult to make something better than a generator. The efficiency just isn't there.

You have to produce all possible electricity from the coil, and have minimal flow resistance to the motor, just to allow for it to power itself. Creating excess energy, to power other things, is an even more difficult task...

It will have to be kick-started by something, often, in order to keep the machine producing...

no flow resistance

if it's minimum, it would wear out after a while

to keep it running forever as what's the point of a perpetual motion machine, it would need to have 0 resistance

which is why I consider this is impossible, there's no way this could be done on Earth

[GreekBitcoin]

My reptilian friends just funded me in order to post the following here:

'Open a damn high school physics book or at least try something without damn magnets. It so previous century'