FREE ELECTRICITY: Magnets Motor Electric Generators (Perpetual Machines)

[protokol]

Okay. Let's see if I can say it really clearly and briefly.

First Class: Perpetual Motion, as a noun, where it could be written PerpetualMotion, or Perpetual-motion, is what the scientists mean, and what the laymen usually do NOT mean. This PM means, once started into motion, no added energy, no energy loss, and continuing to run perpetually.

Second Class: Perpetual motion as the layman usually means it is where you get out at least a little more energy than you put in. Magnet motor generators fall into this class.

First Class is impossible by any means science understands because their is always loss due to friction.

Second Class is impossible because you can't get more out of something than there is in it.

There is a Third Class. This is where a form of energy that we do not understand and can't even observe is going in, and it is being converted, to come out in a form that we DO understand, like static magnetism or active electricity. There are all kinds of people that call this Third Class, PERPETUAL MOTION.

If anybody is so bold that he claims that he knows FOR A FACT that we know everything about the universe, he is a fool. We ABSOLUTELY DON'T know for a fact that a magnet is NOT a converter of some form of energy that we know little or nothing about, and that the magnet, itself, helps us to convert that unknown energy into electrical energy.

Is someone wrong for calling something like this magnetic generator/motor a perpetual motion machine? In the technical sense, yes. But there will come a time - and it might be here already - when enough people call this a PM machine, so it is accepted by such in the eyes of everybody.

There are two more things to say:
1. much of the disagreement in this topic is over semantics;
2. I believe that there are political trolls who are constantly suggesting that such a "perpetual motion" machine can't work, because they are working for the government and the power companies, and are trying to keep the power companies from losing any more money than they are already losing to solar.

You're correct in saying no-one knows everything about the universe, it would be foolish if they thought that. But we do know a hell of a lot about magnets, and can harness their electromagnetic field, with turbines and generators. It's been proven by many experiments that electricity and magnetism are linked - hence the electromagnetic force.

No experiment has EVER shown that magnets themselves convert any sort of "unknown energy" into any other sort of energy. We know through experiments that magnetic force is a result of aligned electron orbitals at the atomic level, forming magnetic domains in the material. These domains line up in magnetic materials, creating a generic magnet with a north and south pole. You can make your own magnet by taking a piece of iron, then rubbing a magnet across it in one direction, which aligns the domains in the iron in the same direction, creating another magnet.

So although we don't know this 100%, every properly done experiment ever seems to prove it.

I mean you could say that the magnetic force actually comes from Evel Knievel's ghost driving a microscopic motorbike round a neodymium wall of death in the 5th dimension, which powers a supernatural trans-dimensional energy field, in turn giving magnets their magical powers here on Earth. We ABSOLUTELY DON'T KNOW for a fact that this isn't true, but it's much more sensible for us to look at the science from the last few hundred years and conclude that it's most likely due to the above explanation. But yes, we still have a lot to learn about field theory (gravity in particular).

As for the political trolls constantly suggesting these machines can't work, that may be true, but you will find hundreds of thousands of advanced physicists all over the globe with the same conclusions, and they can't all be working for the power companies. I have an open mind, but I won't believe any stories about harnessing unknown forms of energy until I see some real scientific proof, which isn't in the form of a dodgy youtube video.

 

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[MarisaFea]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

[BADecker]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

Like NASA is starting to, and the Chinese have for 5 years. While the stuff in the link isn't magnet motors, it is a whole new concept in an area where scientists thought they knew almost everything. The reason they don't say "perpetual motion" is because if they admit that far, they will have to change all their physics.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/160811-2014-08-07-huge-breakthrough-at-nasa.htm

[Jenny69]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

I don't think as many people will fall for it on here as people are generally a bit more savvy, but I am sure that I lot of the general population will fall for this bs.

[BombaUcigasa]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

Like NASA is starting to, and the Chinese have for 5 years. While the stuff in the link isn't magnet motors, it is a whole new concept in an area where scientists thought they knew almost everything. The reason they don't say "perpetual motion" is because if they admit that far, they will have to change all their physics.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/160811-2014-08-07-huge-breakthrough-at-nasa.htm

Stop smiling. Read about it a bit more. Facepalm yourself for being gullible. Stay in school...

[BADecker]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

Like NASA is starting to, and the Chinese have for 5 years. While the stuff in the link isn't magnet motors, it is a whole new concept in an area where scientists thought they knew almost everything. The reason they don't say "perpetual motion" is because if they admit that far, they will have to change all their physics.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/160811-2014-08-07-huge-breakthrough-at-nasa.htm

Stop smiling. Read about it a bit more. Facepalm yourself for being gullible. Stay in school...

Oh, that's okay. But you're going to miss out if you don't start accepting some of this stuff that the scientists have been telling us is impossible, because they need their funding.

[pedrog]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

There's gullible people everywhere...


Here's the fourth law of thermodynamics:



https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/500924999587229697

[immagirl]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

There's gullible people everywhere...


Here's the fourth law of thermodynamics:

http://alojaimagens.com/images/48ylyz9775gti8nfxg88.jpg

https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/500924999587229697

I think this is about right. People tend to be very gullible. Just think of all the people who look up when you tell them that a pencil is on the cealing.

[BADecker]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

There's gullible people everywhere...


Here's the fourth law of thermodynamics:

image

https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/500924999587229697

I think this is about right. People tend to be very gullible. Just think of all the people who look up when you tell them that a pencil is on the cealing.

Of course, is the gullible factor in believing the scientists, or going against them? Remember that way back 500 years ago science was very different than it is today. Most of the scientific technology that we use today, would have gotten us executed 500 years ago if we had even talked about it back then.

The fact that we have advancements these days, that were not seen 500 years ago, suggests that we are doing something right. However, people are still people. Scientists often like to protect their pet projects to the tune of denouncing everything else if necessary. It's just like the Church did back 500 years ago.

The point? Let's keep a very open mind. Bending space so that we can travel to other worlds almost like walking through a doorway, might be far easier than scientists are willing to admit to themselves. Teleportation to Mars might be far easier than rocket flight there. If we don't keep an open mind, we will not even look for new ideas.

If people have changed in the last 500 years, the change is not for the better. People are getting "dumber" even as the technology is growing.

[BombaUcigasa]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

Like NASA is starting to, and the Chinese have for 5 years. While the stuff in the link isn't magnet motors, it is a whole new concept in an area where scientists thought they knew almost everything. The reason they don't say "perpetual motion" is because if they admit that far, they will have to change all their physics.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/160811-2014-08-07-huge-breakthrough-at-nasa.htm

Stop smiling. Read about it a bit more. Facepalm yourself for being gullible. Stay in school...

Oh, that's okay. But you're going to miss out if you don't start accepting some of this stuff that the scientists have been telling us is impossible, because they need their funding.

Stop smiling. Read about it a bit more. Facepalm yourself for being ignorant. It's not scientists telling you it's impossible, it's how this world actually works in all aspects. Stay in school...

[Rannasha]

Can't believe people fall for this bullshit.

There's gullible people everywhere...


Here's the fourth law of thermodynamics:

image

https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/500924999587229697

I think this is about right. People tend to be very gullible. Just think of all the people who look up when you tell them that a pencil is on the cealing.

Of course, is the gullible factor in believing the scientists, or going against them? Remember that way back 500 years ago science was very different than it is today. Most of the scientific technology that we use today, would have gotten us executed 500 years ago if we had even talked about it back then.

The fact that we have advancements these days, that were not seen 500 years ago, suggests that we are doing something right. However, people are still people. Scientists often like to protect their pet projects to the tune of denouncing everything else if necessary. It's just like the Church did back 500 years ago.

500 years ago the Church was still firmly in charge and any advance that contradicted Christian dogma was shot down very effectively.

Scientists like nothing better than coming up with something new and unexpected. That's where the fame is. You don't get very far if your career consists of confirming the status-quo. The notion that scientists like to maintain the current status-quo of scientific knowledge is absurd. We don't know everything yet, in fact there's a lot we don't know. But that doesn't mean that silly notions like perpetual motion machines are being held back on purpose so we don't have to rewrite the textbooks. Some fundamental laws of physics, such as the laws of thermodynamics show no indication of even being the slightest bit inaccurate.

[BADecker]

It's really amazing that so many people who have accepted the new technology of Bitcoin, remain so close-minded about other new technology.

[BombaUcigasa]

It's really amazing that so many people who have accepted the new technology of Bitcoin, remain so close-minded about other new technology.

Stop trolling.

[ropbat]

THis is bullshit and is against the laws of physics.

[b!z]

Thank you dude, these Magnets Motor Electric Generators will help me run my mining rig and overthrow the 13 inbred European Bloodlines of the terrorist organization Illuminati!

[BADecker]

THis is bullshit and is against the laws of physics.

So is this, right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749221.msg8460917#msg8460917

[BombaUcigasa]

THis is bullshit and is against the laws of physics.

So is this, right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749221.msg8460917#msg8460917

Yes. PLEASE stop trolling.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052

Several different test configurations were used, including two different test articles as well as a reversal of the test article orientation. In addition, the test article was replaced by an RF load to verify that the force was not being generated by effects not associated with the test article.

Thrust was observed on both test articles, even though one of the test articles was designed with the expectation that it would not produce thrust. Specifically, one test article contained internal physical modifications that were designed to produce thrust, while the other did not (with the latter being referred to as the "null" test article).

[meadefreling]

''Magnetic Motor Electric Generators'' oh give me a break this is not possible at all.

[BADecker]

''Magnetic Motor Electric Generators'' oh give me a break this is not possible at all.

Lots of things are deemed not possible. For example, lay out the diagram for a human being. Include everything that is medically known, and scientifically understood. If you do this from an objective standpoint, human beings are not possible. But if a human happened to exist, certainly an earth-sized planet full of multiple billions, along with all the components that could make them alive and thriving is utterly impossible. It would be stupid to even imagine that such a thing were possible, except for one thing... they exist!

[bluefirecorp]

''Magnetic Motor Electric Generators'' oh give me a break this is not possible at all.

Lots of things are deemed not possible. For example, lay out the diagram for a human being. Include everything that is medically known, and scientifically understood. If you do this from an objective standpoint, human beings are not possible. But if a human happened to exist, certainly an earth-sized planet full of multiple billions, along with all the components that could make them alive and thriving is utterly impossible. It would be stupid to even imagine that such a thing were possible, except for one thing... they exist!

You know nothing of biology or any sciences for that matter. Why do you keep talking? Seriously, shut the fuck up.

You're absolutely fucking wrong in almost every regard.