Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile

[Nemo1024]

Ukraine’s Snowden: Whistleblower confirms MH17 was shot down by Ukraine
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/ukraines-snowden-whistleblower-confirms-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine/

An employee of a military airfield near #Dnepropetrovsk named Alexander, came forward to reveal what he witnessed on the day of the #MH17 downing in Eastern Ukraine. The identity of the whistleblower is protected for the time being due to fear of revenge attacks against whistleblower’s family still in #Ukraine. The identity is expected to be revealed once family is out of harms way.

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I also want to draw attention to the curious fact that a large and influential country like Germany tried repeatedly to get its gold back from the US and failed. Germany wasn’t even allowed to inspect its gold properly. At the same time, a small country like the Netherlands apparently managed to get its gold back from the US simply upon asking. We also know that the Netherlands recently refused to give the Crimean Scythian gold back to its owner, the Crimean Museum. Scythian gold was taken out of the Amsterdam museum where it was on exhibit and transferred to an undisclosed location in violation of rules, which state that representatives of the owner-museum must be present during transfer.

How are the MH17, return of the Netherlands gold, and disappearance of the Crimean Scythian gold related?

Here is a logical scenario: The Dutch government is told that if they keep quiet about the real reasons for the MH17 catastrophe, which they are bound to discover in the course of the investigation, and if they sabotage the return of the Scythian gold, they can have back their gold stored at the NY FED.

The above is a more detailed analysis of the events of the past days, that got completely ignored by the Western MSM.

Incidentally, Russian Investigative Committee offers to question Pilot Voloshin on lie detector, which should, if he is innocent, remove any suspicions off him. Kiev denies. Initially, Kiev also denied that Voloshin even existed, but had to revise their stance, when it was pointed out that Poroshenko gave him Medal For Courage “for heroism in defending Ukraine” two days after the shoot-down.

[Window2Wall]

Ukraine’s Snowden: Whistleblower confirms MH17 was shot down by Ukraine
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/ukraines-snowden-whistleblower-confirms-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine/

An employee of a military airfield near #Dnepropetrovsk named Alexander, came forward to reveal what he witnessed on the day of the #MH17 downing in Eastern Ukraine. The identity of the whistleblower is protected for the time being due to fear of revenge attacks against whistleblower’s family still in #Ukraine. The identity is expected to be revealed once family is out of harms way.

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I also want to draw attention to the curious fact that a large and influential country like Germany tried repeatedly to get its gold back from the US and failed. Germany wasn’t even allowed to inspect its gold properly. At the same time, a small country like the Netherlands apparently managed to get its gold back from the US simply upon asking. We also know that the Netherlands recently refused to give the Crimean Scythian gold back to its owner, the Crimean Museum. Scythian gold was taken out of the Amsterdam museum where it was on exhibit and transferred to an undisclosed location in violation of rules, which state that representatives of the owner-museum must be present during transfer.

How are the MH17, return of the Netherlands gold, and disappearance of the Crimean Scythian gold related?

Here is a logical scenario: The Dutch government is told that if they keep quiet about the real reasons for the MH17 catastrophe, which they are bound to discover in the course of the investigation, and if they sabotage the return of the Scythian gold, they can have back their gold stored at the NY FED.

The above is a more detailed analysis of the events of the past days, that got completely ignored by the Western MSM.

Incidentally, Russian Investigative Committee offers to question Pilot Voloshin on lie detector, which should, if he is innocent, remove any suspicions off him. Kiev denies. Initially, Kiev also denied that Voloshin even existed, but had to revise their stance, when it was pointed out that Poroshenko gave him Medal For Courage “for heroism in defending Ukraine” two days after the shoot-down.

I personally would not consider him to be credible (nor would I consider that "media" outlet to be credible). Anyone can claim they witnessed something and it is not difficult to beat a lie detector. The witness has not provided any actual evidence to backup his claims (unlike Snowden) nor did he give anything up to make such claims (also unlike Snowden)

[Nemo1024]

But he has. If you actually read/listened to what Russian Investigative Committee was saying, his information strengthened the evidence that IC already collected from before. To beat a lie detector, you need to have special training, and even then the bluff may be called.

PS: A perspective on events. In the light of constant anti-Russian propaganda and baseless/factless accusations, Russia has to be very careful when presenting its evidence. If presented evidence does not hold, you can just imagine the amount of howling in the West that will ensue. By this virtue, you can actually be pretty sure that is IC presents something to the public as verified evidence, it is, in fact, verified from various sources and is correct. The reaction of Kiev is also indicative of this. Why else would Kiev outright deny Voloshin's existence? If you sat that lie detector can be easily fooled, why would Kiev deny Voloshin be questioned on lie detector - he would, by your logic - be able to prove his innocence and ridicule Russia in no time. Or would he? Also, the European reaction. If you are serious about an investigation, you would pursue any leads that may shed light on the events. By indicating that this lead is not interesting to the European investigators, they thus show that they are after pursuing only one line of enquiry - the one that would achieve the preset goal of vilifying Russia.

[Pagan]

Flight MH17 - Searching for the truth



    On July 17th Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down over Eastern Ukraine. All 298 passengers died. Back in the middle of June, the Nato showed pictures of Russian tanks in the city of Snizhne in Eastern Ukraine. The German Bundeswehr and Nato know that Russian tanks do not move through enemy territory without the protection of BUK missile systems. Therefore, the flight altitude of ordinary planes was essentially a war zone since the middle of June. According to the CORRECT!V investigation, the German government and all other Nato countries would have had to warn the airlines not to fly across Eastern Ukraine. The Dutch government already confirmed our investigation. The German government still rejects it.
    CORRECT!V talked to witnesses of the downing of Flight MH17 in Eastern Ukraine. In a complex investigation in Vienna, the Netherlands, Ukraine, and Russia, we talked to military experts, warlords of the separatists, former BUK engineers and former soldiers of the 53rd Air Defense Brigade. All of them confirm: The separatists were not able to use such a complex missile system. Therefore, only Russian officers could have given the order to down Flight MH17.
    On July 17th a lot of pictures and videos were taken of the BUK missile system in the part of Eastern Ukraine that was controlled by separatists. The international investigative team Bellingcat identified the BUK as part of the Russian 53rd Air Defense Brigade. CORRECT!V checked the locations of the pictures and followed the path the Russian BUK took.
    CORRECT!V is publishing this investigation in cooperation with the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel and the Dutch daily newspaper Algemeen Dagblad.

Full article:

https://mh17.correctiv.org/english/

[Nemo1024]

West has forgotten MH17 Ukraine crash probe – Lavrov
http://rt.com/news/221759-lavrov-ukraine-plane-crash/

The West appears to have forgotten about investigating the tragedy of the Malaysian plane that was shot down in eastern Ukraine in July, says Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, adding that Moscow wants at least some preliminary results published.

“The West imposed sanctions [on Russia] under the pretext of the catastrophe of the Malaysian Boeing,” said Lavrov, after a meeting with his Latvian counterpart Edgars Rinkevics.

And now our Western colleagues “have completely forgotten this problem,” the Russian foreign minister added.

“Russia alone is saying that it would be good to release at least preliminary results of the investigation and explain why this probe was conducted with flagrant violations of the norms, which are applied specifically for such cases within the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).”

[Rishblitz]

boy and I remember a time when people thought proxy wars were over.

[Nemo1024]

Sneaky anti-Russian EU-Parliament resolution:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P8-TA-2015-0011+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&language=EN

28.  Reiterates its support for the international investigation into the circumstances of the tragic downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17, and reiterates its call for those responsible to be brought to justice; regrets the obstacles faced in this process, and urges all parties to show genuine willingness to cooperate, guarantee safe and unrestricted access to the MH17 crash site, and allow access to all other relevant resources that can contribute to the investigation; expresses its wish to be kept informed on the progress of this investigation;

Oh, yeah? Right, we know who was creating obstacles (Kiev, Washington, Amsterdam), and who was providing all the information and assistance (Donetsk, Moscow)

[Nemo1024]

There was an interesting event a Holland, described by a Western author of a MH-17 book as a PR-stunt.
Journalists were allowed to see the remains of the Boeing. They were led into 2 hangars, and shown the debris. Three discrepancies hit the eye:

1. The debris were stored haphazardly about the hangar. If there was an ongoing investigation, there would have been an  outline of the Boeing drawn on the floor, and the fragments would have been placed according to their origin so as to reconstruct the plane.
2. Journalists were told that they see ALL the fragments of the plane. Meanwhile, another group of Russian TV journalists were at the crash site at the very same time and showed that many large fragments and personal belongings were left behind under the open sky.
3. Journalists were told that some of the fragments were off-limits and must not be filmed under any circumstance.

Let's also remember that the only country that release all the information that it had about the situation in the Ukrainian airspace is still Russia. USA and Ukraine itself are keeping mum, not releasing the information. And the fighter pilot Voloshin still hasn't been questioned by the investigators.

[coinz19]

It just a big whitewash by the US. Of course Ukraine shot-down the plane, everyone knows but the media will never tell the truth.

Democracy defined: Lie, blame others, start wars, strong-arm other countries, rewrite laws to suit your own needs, while crying manifest destiny!

[calfries]

All true. The point is that nobody cares. Very sad.

[Nemo1024]

A Dutch journalist from RTL tried to make a front-line by postulating that he managed to get hold of a fragment of the plane and that "according to experts" it show that it  was shot down by BUK.
In response to this rubbish, the Dutch security council issued an official denial, saying that the investigation is ongoing.
http://ria.ru/mh17/20150319/1053506462.html

[okthen]

It makes me sick to my stomach to see this issue abandoned. Is this how we treat terrorism, with total absence of repercussions???
I don't care who did it, both Ukraine and Russia should be punished, until it is clear who was responsible.

By the way, what happened to Crimea? So it's Russia now? No one is talking about it anymore...

[Nemo1024]

It makes me sick to my stomach to see this issue abandoned. Is this how we treat terrorism, with total absence of repercussions???
I don't care who did it, both Ukraine and Russia should be punished, until it is clear who was responsible.

By the way, what happened to Crimea? So it's Russia now? No one is talking about it anymore...

Um, no. The investigation should not be hampered, and one of the prime suspects should not have a veto right to whether to publish the results, in complete breech of all ICAO aircrash investigation procedures.
It may still turn out that one would need to punish USA...

I keep a thread on Crimea.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494128.960
It was Russia, is Russia and will be Russia.

And people are talking about it, if you know where to look:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-double-standard-on-russia-he-attacks-russia-then-condemns-putin-for-defending-russia-from-his-attack

This is the way that the U.S., which is occupying Ukraine (by coup), talks about Russia, which protected the Crimeans from being subjected to the hell that the people in Donbass are now experiencing from the Ukrainian Occupying Regime, no legal Government at all. And, for that — the sheer illegality of what Obama did — just read this. Then consider that Obama is demanding that the entirely undemocratic and forced transfer of Crimea by the Soviet dictator Khrushchev in 1954 must stand as being legal, while this entirely democratic plebiscite on the issue in 2014 must be called “not voluntary, transparent, or democratic.” That takes some nerve (and a deceived public).

[Schleicher]

A Dutch journalist from RTL tried to make a front-line by postulating that he managed to get hold of a fragment of the plane and that "according to experts" it show that it  was shot down by BUK.

Link:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile

[Nemo1024]

A Dutch journalist from RTL tried to make a front-line by postulating that he managed to get hold of a fragment of the plane and that "according to experts" it show that it  was shot down by BUK.

Link:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/evidence-proving-flight-mh-17-was-taken-down-buk-missile

Thanks. I also see that a lot of Ukrainian sites have jumped onto this article as hungry wolves, and present it as if it's the final conlcusion.

Funnily, the article actually contradicts itself:

The flying object ends up in a conical hail of fragments. The warhead is big, with tens of thousands of fragments weighing as much as 70 kilos altogether. These parts of the missile are left in the airplane.
 
With deadly speed through the hull
During impact the particles go through the hull and the interior of the plane with deadly speed. Specialist De Larrinaga recognises the deformation of the warhead fragment.

And he found only a few nondescript metal bits, and none were wound in the bodies of the pilots and the passengers, who should have been peppered with them.

In a response to the RTL News investigation, the Safety Board states that the material which was found will be included in their investigation. "In their investigation the Safety Board needs the final conclusion to be corroborated by information from multiple sources. This a complicated and time-consuming process. With the information from every source it needs to be established what the connection is with the plane from Malaysia Airlines, among other things because the plane crashed in a conflict zone."

Hmm... And they are still not interested in questioning of pilot Voloshin or in finding the classified ACT tapes that went missing hours after the shoot-down from Dniepropetrovsk. Apparently not every source can be considered as "every source".

[NUFCrichard]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-30/did-reuters-falsify-testimony-mh-17-crash-witness

It seems witnesses can't make up their mind where the missile was fired from.  I personally will just ignore what this guy says now, it was the Ukrainians, no the rebels, no the Ukrainians.. He seems to be saying whatever the reporter asking at the time wants to hear.

[Chakraball]

Not enough people have questioned the very poor quality images and videos that were force fed to the world at the beginning of this saga.

Debunk those images such as the Paris Match "photos" and there is no case against Russia or separatists but what is even more worrying is that if those images and videos are proved fake then due to the rapid timeframe of them appearing that begs the question of were they prepared in advance of a premeditated attack on a civilian airliner?

For instance Paris Match announced their journalists were on hand to capture the photograph of the BUK on it's way from Donetsk.

In my opinion the Paris Match photos are video grabs from a dash cam , probably of the Volvo pulling a digger or some other machine and then the BUK was badly photoshopped on hence the weird angle of the BUK, it appears to be perched up on it's front wheels whilst the tractor unit is flat to the road.
https://i.imgur.com/bmojw2f.jpg

The video that grab was taken from appears to be the same size and aspect ratio that would fit with Paris Match photos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHj4nltPf5U

[Nemo1024]

Well, every video/image that was so far released by Ukraine and picked up by the Western MSM, were proven to be fake, or were at least raising quite big questions. Remember that before, there was an image of supposedly "Russian" BUK moving to Ukraine, which, using it's side-number, turned out to be a part of a Ukrainian division from Driepropetrovsk.

In other news, a Dutch forensic scientist, who mentioned some of the information pertaining the inquiry to his students, was fired:

Dutch expert fired after showing MH17 victim photos in public lecture
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/dutch-expert-fired-after-showing-mh17-victim-photos-in-public-lecture

[Nemo1024]

This belongs here, for the record:

Almaz-Antey, missile manufacturer, is holding the press conference.

09:49 GMT:

The character of the damage caused to the aircraft is consistent only with the BUK9M38 and BUK9M38-M1 missiles, if the BUK missiles are in question - Malyshevsky

09:46 GMT:

The BUK 9M317 missile type employed by the Russian Armed Forces is out of the question here, as the shape of the fragments does not match the damage caused to the aircraft - adviser to the head engineer Mikhail Malyshevsky

http://rt.com/news/264205-buk-manufacturer-mh17-ukraine/

They're also ready to carry out an experimental explosion to prove that Ukrainians are responsible for this tragedy.

They are claiming that the Buk M1 hit the Boeing aircraft, over the village of Zaroschshenskoe. This contradicts with the version given out by the Kiev junta. The junta have been claiming all along that the hit occurred near the town of Snezhnoe.

Here is the location of Zaroschshenskoe (Зapoщeнcкoe):

https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=ru&pagename=%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5&params=47_59_18_N_38_26_46_E_scale:50000

https://www.google.com/maps?ll=47.988333,38.446111&spn=0.005,0.005&t=m&q=47.988333,38.446111(%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5)&hl=ru

Psaki Mk.II - Harf - said that USA will not be providing any additional information regarding downing of MH-17, despite Russia urging them to do so.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/04/harf/

Well, USA is once more reaffirming their guilt as a accessory to murder by their damning silence.

[Nemo1024]

About the above investigation:

BUK Manufacturer Almaz-Antey Investigation: MH17 was shot down by Ukraine BUK Missile

Russian defence contractor and BUK launch system manufacturer Almaz-Antey completed its own investigation into the MH17 downing in Ukraine in July, 2014. Ukraine denied the responsibility for the attack on the civilian plane en route from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, blaming intermittently the Donbass self-defence and Russia. Nearly 300 people died as a result of the tragedy.

The BUK manufacturer has released the results of its independent investigation, which show that the 9M38-M1 surface-to-air missile from the M1 BUK system was used to shoot down the plane. The missile was produced until the 1990s and Almaz factories discontinued it in 1999. The Almaz-Antey CEO Yan Novikov confirmed that M1 BUK missiles were not delivered to anyone in the 21st century. Moreover, the Russian Army has long retired these older missiles, having been equipped with the new generation weapons. However, M1 is precisely the kind of BUK that is abundant in today’s Ukrainian armed forces.

The Almaz-Antey investigation also confirms that the trajectory of the missile is consistent with the location which at the time of the shoot-down was under Ukrainian (aka, Kiev junta) control. The missile was shot from the neighborhood of the Zaroshchenskoe village, controlled at the time by Kiev. This means that the Donbass self-defence was telling the truth that they had nothing to do with the tragedy.

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To prove its findings in action, Almaz-Antey proposes a real-life demo reconstruction of the event. The CEO of Almaz also notes that two US satellites were flying above the sector of E. Ukraine in question during MH17 shoot-down; however, to this day US refused to release the footage in its possession.

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Western double standards: Almaz-Antey has been under EU and US sanctions since MH17 tragedy, based on Ukraine and USA’s accusation that Russia and Donbass self-defence shot down the Malaysian Airlines plane.

A commenter to the article nails it:

No Black Box records released, no tapes from the ATC Tower, no photographs from official US intelligence sources. If Russia has really shot down MH17, the western shill MSM media would be screaming denunciations 24/7 based on the supposed evidence. Instead the USSA/’EU MSM rely upon controlled assets like bellingcrap to issue propaganda that can easily be officially denied after the truth finally emerges.

Read more + a video in English: https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/buk-manufacturer-almaz-antey-investigation-mh17-was-shot-down-by-ukraine-buk-missile/