Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile

[picolo]

I have to remind that such calculations would be correct only for naked eye. And incorrect if long-focus lenses are used, for example. So this literally doesn't prove anything.

Yes, long-focus lens would "compress" the distance between the plane and the ground, making the ground to appear closer to the plane.

Actually, to make the plane appear bigger compared to the ground, you have to get close.
There's no way around this. Basic optics.

I won't ask you where did you learn basic optics.

Well, look at that picture.
With the tele lens you can see less of the background.
For the picture with the plane it would mean that the camera has to be close, and not in space.

It is one more hint that US/Ukraine government want to blame the East Ukrainians/Russia but do you have any knowledge of the optics involved in a satellite? Maybe it is a bit different than what you are used to.

[BitMos]

it's such a shame, if I had a death loved one, I would be enraged, but what to expect from the west... It tells you everything you need to know about today's world.

[Pagan]

Kremlin hybrid war

A Tweetbot Caught the Russian Gov't Editing Flight MH17 Wikipedia Info

Remember @CongressEdits, the tweetbot that alerts whenever a Wikipedia article is edited from a government IP address? There's a Russian version now, and it just uncovered some pretty drastic edits to a Wikipedia article that mentions Flight MH17, originating from a Russian government IP address.

As The Telegraph reports, @RuGovEdits tweeted that a computer user from within the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VHTRK) edited the Russian-language version of the Wikipedia entry about the Malaysian Airlines passenger jet shot down over Ukraine yesterday.

The original version of the Wikipedia article listing civil aviation accidents stated that MH17 had been shot down "by terrorists of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic with Buk system missiles, which the terrorists received from the Russian Federation." Emphasis added.

The edits originating from the government-owned computer changed the article to read "the plane [flight MH17] was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers". Again, emphasis added.

@RuGovEdits alerted the public with a tweet that says (translated): "Wikipedia article List of aircraft accidents in civil aviation has been edited by RTR [another name for VGTRK]".

http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/inde...88991&oldid=64288044

If @RuGovEdits is to be trusted (and considering the Wiki-twitterbot code is widely available on Github, it probably can be), it certainly seems like someone within the Russian government is working to hide the widely-held theory that Russian weapons were used to bring down MH17. But while Wikipedia might be malleable, it's also transparent. [The Telegraph via Amanda Zamora]

http://gizmodo.com/a-tweetbot-...ight-mh17-1607483459

https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=64288991&oldid=64288044

[Nemo1024]

Dutch government withheld information about the secret agreement to keep the results of the investigation from public, according to World Socialist Web Site:
http://russian.rt.com/article/60896?id

[BitMos]

My simplistic theory, the Ukrainians used civilian plans to hide, the sol-air missile was fired by the "separatist". Who's at fault? lawyer rhetoric, it's war. the loser of course. first casualty of war is truth outside of the Empire. No fear.

[Nemo1024]

German Beuro of economic investigations, Wifka, on behalf of an anonymous requester, raised the bounty on providing any information about the guilty in MH-17 shoot-down. The bounty is as follows:
30 million dollars for information proving guilt of those who are behind the shoot-down.
Additional 17 million dollars for information on how some countries hide the results of the investigations and/or impede it.

http://ria.ru/mh17/20141125/1034940913.html

[Nemo1024]

Malaysia has been excluded from investigation process of the crash due to the country's neutral and calm position.
http://russian.rt.com/article/61249

Just think about it! Malaysia, whose plane was shot down, did not get included into the international investigation group! 

[Pagan]

Evidence that ruSSians fired a Buk missile at MH17



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=045-hHcniwg

[Nemo1024]

It is interesting to observe the inertia of this failed anti-Russian false flag and how it carries on despite the perpetrators having failed to shoot the plane down so that it would fall on Russian territory.

Relatives of Australian victims prepare a lawsuit against Malaysia, Malaysian Airlines, Ukraine and... Russia. According to their lawyer, it is not correct to limit the lawsuit against Ukraine only, and "everyone knows who shot the plane anyway". He should be reminded that Russia can at best be a witness for the prosecution, and has already transferred all available information to the investigation. At worst, Russia is a victim of slander and defamation. USA on the other hand have not, Kiev still keeps the ATC records secret, and Australia, Holland, Ukraine and Britain still have the non-disclosure agreement in place, covering in secrecy the eventual results of the investigation, if one of the parties objects to publishing.

The only good thing with this lawsuit is that it keeps the case at the top of the news stack and that the lawyer intends to get information from Dutch experts.

Also, it should be reminded that the bodies of the victims were not stuffed with steel shrapnel balls from BUK (as was the case when Ukraine earlier shot down a Russian airliner).

German relatives, who seem not to be brainwashed, are in the meantime suing Ukraine.

http://ria.ru/mh17/20141204/1036528146.html


German media discovered that intermediate report from the investigation commission dropped the statement that Ukraine should have closed the airspace over the war zone. This passage was present in the draft, but was removed from the released version.

http://ria.ru/mh17/20141203/1036447724.html

[michietn94]

Malaysia has been excluded from investigation process of the crash due to the country's neutral and calm position.
http://russian.rt.com/article/61249

Just think about it! Malaysia, whose plane was shot down, did not get included into the international investigation group! 

It seems nobody can find MH17 yet
it is so tragic 

[Nemo1024]

Malaysia has finally (!) been allowed to participate in investigation of the shoot-down of its own plane. Only half-a-year later. Once all the evidence has been taken care of...

[blablahblah]

Malaysia has finally (!) been allowed to participate in investigation of the shoot-down of its own plane. Only half-a-year later. Once all the evidence has been taken care of...

Hard at work on Saturday morning? You love your country far too much. It's not healthy, Nemo 

[Nemo1024]

Looks like another false flag was being set-up, and again in the air:

Allegedly, Russian military plane with disabled transponders came too close to a Danish commercial liner, endangering it. Russia denies having a plane near the area, let alone with its transponders off.
http://tass.ru/politika/1645247

Swedish SAS released a statement that the military plane was not close enough to be of any danger:
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2014/12/14/n_6742321.shtml

Yet, Russian ambassadors were called on the carpet to Danish and Swedish Foreign ministries:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/281538

The end goal of this whole incident was to warm up hysteria in Europe and force EU back on the path of sanctions, as EU had been slacking up lately...

[Balthazar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTaCbmX4ffQ

Interview with retired officer who was responsible for vehicle #312. No translation is available yet, maybe somebody will make a quick review later.

Major statements seen from few minutes of video:

It was ukrainian SA;
Ukrainian officers had a control on this machine during the time of incident and no shots were made. He said something like "we didn't shoot this boeing".

P.S. More information about vehicle #312 is available in article published here:

http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2014/07/21/the-mh17-investigation-and-buk-312/

[Nemo1024]

First, something about the other MH flight:
MH370 was 'shot down by US military', claims former French airline boss
http://rt.com/news/216675-mh370-shot-down-us/

A former French airline CEO Marc Dugain claims that the US may have shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and then covered it up, adding to a rash of conflicting theories about the missing plane.

And now, about MH-17.

Komsomol'skaja Pravda published the following revealing materials:
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26323.5/3204312/

This is an interview with man who saw return of the pilot, who might be the one who shot down MH-17. The family name of the fighter pilot is Voloshin. The shoot-down seems to be an accident.

Three fighter planes went on a mission from an airport near Dniepropetrovsk, one of the plane had air-air missiles. Of this flight group only one returned (the other two were shot down) - the one that started with air-air missiles, but it returned empty. According to the witness the pilot was unnerved. The first thing he said ofther climing of the cockpit was "Wrong plane". Later when asked "what happened to the plane", he allegedly replied: "the plane was at the wrong place at the wrong time."

There is more about Ukraine changing the dates of these missions, so as it would seem they didn't happen on the same date. There is a discussion around what type of rockets were used (there is a 2-stage rocket with srapnel, and the main part detonating at an interval).

They also discuss what kind of air-ground munitions were used during missions (one forbidden type).

More in Russian:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/23/kpboeing/

More in English:
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/768593

[247crypto]

Ukrainian pilot suspected to shot civilian aircraft with air-air misile.
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26323.5/3204312/

УКAЗ ПPEЗИДEHTA УКPAЇHИ № 599/2014
Пpo вiдзнaчeння дepжaвними нaгopoдaми Укpaїни
Зa ocoбиcтy мyжнicть i гepoїзм, виявлeнi y зaxиcтi дepжaвнoгo cyвepeнiтeтy тa тepитopiaльнoї цiлicнocтi Укpaїни, пocтaнoвляю:
y Збpoйниx Cилax Укpaїни:
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19 липня 2014 poкy
http://www.president.gov.ua/documents/17903.html?PrintVersion

[Nemo1024]

Komsomol'skaja Pravda published the following revealing materials:
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26323.5/3204312/

An English summary of the interview:
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/768593

Russian Investigation Committee came in touch with the Ukrainian citizen, who gave the above interview to KP, and will question him as a witness to determine if there is any truth to his statements:
http://ria.ru/mh17/20141223/1039791588.html

[Nemo1024]

Russian Investigative Committee has conducted questioning of the Ukrainian witness, who gave interview to KP, using lie detector, and the results indicate that the man is speaking the truth. He is now under Russian witness protection program. the evidence he provided strengthens other evidence, that the Investigative Committee collected before.

From previous news items:
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/769050
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/769035

Interestingly, the Dutch investigators did not express any evidence in the witness, while the Western MSM treated it with complete silence. In any case, all norms of ICAO are broken in this "investigation"

Meanwhile, a Dutch journalist published a book, collecting all the open evidence and indicating that the plane was shot down from air. However, in the true spirit of European freedom of speech, this journalist is now a persona-non-grata, barred from appearing on national television in Holland.

http://ilaelamam.com/2014/10/29/mh17-the-cover-up-deal-dutch-journalist-publishes-revealing-book/

[kenbytes]

I really hope this isn't another Malaysia flight 370 situation again.
AirAsia Flight QZ 8501 Goes Missing - Newsweek
www.newsweek.com/airasia-flight-goes-missing-295

[Itun]

I really hope this isn't another Malaysia flight 370 situation again.
AirAsia Flight QZ 8501 Goes Missing - Newsweek
www.newsweek.com/airasia-flight-goes-missing-295

Sigh.. I wonder how many of these we're going to have.

2014 was a bad year if we look only at commercial airline accidents