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August 12, 2014, 01:19:31 AM
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An unfortunate reality of the internet is that anyone can make any claim and if it is outrageous or controversial enough, they will get attention.

Recently, a site appeared on the Internet claiming to be a group of “hacktivists” called CIAproject.org, which feels the need to repeatedly remind us that they are “not the CIA”  that claims Bitcoin was created by the CIA or the NSA. Their claims were then reported on as something that might have some validity by the ibtimes and one of our competitors.

While I am careful about using the phrase conspiracy theory, since that is often used to discredit legitimate theories of conspiracies (see NSA spying as one example of a “conspiracy theory” that ended up being true, COINTELPRO is another). However, in this case, the negative connotation behind the phrase seems appropriate.

I should note that I have no issues with true hacktivists, so long as they present the evidence obtained during their deeds. While some are misguided, I see the majority of them as virtual Robin Hoods, taking a bite out of the power structure in a way they are unable to respond to. The problem is that this "hacktivist" group has done very little actual hacking, and is posting wild claims without any real evidence.


What Evidence Do They Have?

CIAproject's “evidence” consists of four connections, each of which is more tenuous than the one before. First, they point to Satoshi Nakamoto's name. As they state, the name roughly translates to Central Intelligence. But as ibtimes points out, it is also a fairly common Japanese name.

That flimsy piece of evidence is the theory's crown jewel, but there is no evidence that the pseudonym chosen by Satoshi sharing similarities with the CIA is anything but a coincidence.

The second piece of evidence brought by the CIAproject is Satoshi never revealed anything that would reveal his identity. This, they say, is evidence of intelligence training. However, it ignores the fact that thousands (if not millions) of people manage to remain anonymous online everyday. The actual hacktivist group Syrian Electronic Army has pissed off enough powerful people that billionaires would love to find out who they are and shut them down. They have been unable to. It seems unlikely that the Syrian Electronic Army is also a CIA puppet group.

The group also claims that since Gavin Anderson spoke to Satoshi for years but never met him in person or talked to him on the phone implies that he is actually “they” and that they are an intelligence community. The only thing I will say to this is that I have had internet friends that I talked to for years, on message boards and elsewhere, without ever meeting or talking on the phone. I suspect many reading this have had similar experiences. I don't suspect all of them are CIA agents.

The third piece of evidence they bring is that the online forum Bitcointalk, which was frequented by Satoshi Nakamoto and continues to be the most popular Bitcoin forum on the web, censors talk about Bitcoin being a CIA project.

That claim seems either false or exaggerated. There are numerous threads on the possibility, and a quick search through the forum will reveal them. Bitcoin talk does occasionally delete threads that are repeats of topics already discussed multiple times, and that may be the reason that some topics were deleted (although we have heard no such claims elsewhere).

And the last piece of evidence is so flimsy, it hardly makes sense at all. CIAproject claims that since Satoshi decided to use SHA-256 rather than PNRG, which was a more popular cryptographic algorithm at the time but was later revealed to have CIA and NSA backdoors installed, that means Satoshi must have had some inside information that PNRG was compromised and therefore went with SHA-256.

A few points here. PRNG was in fact more popular than SHA-256, but that doesn't mean PRNG would have been the default choice. First off, PRNG had some public issues, even back in 2008 when Bitcoin was created. Its OpenSSL was compromised on Linux (the OS of choice of early Bitcoin adopters) back in 2008. Furthermore, it was public knowledge at least back to 2007 that the NSA was promoting and modifying PRNG. Even back then, people who paid attention to these things were aware of PRNG's security issues and that the NSA was publicly pushing for it to be the standard. We may not have known for a fact that the NSA was putting back doors into PRNG, but a lot of people suspected as much. So, that Satoshi didn't pick the security algorithm that was favored by the NSA and suspected of being (and later confirmed) compromised by the NSA is actually evidence that Satoshi was not a CIA operative.

So, if their evidence is so flimsy, why post the video at all? For its trouble, CIAproject got mentioned in both a popular crypto website and a popular mainstream business site. It seems likely that the entire post was a ploy to grab some eyeballs.


Who Is CIAProject?

The site also claims Reddit is a CIA project because it banned “247 News” which is a site that looks to be funded and run by CIAproject itself. They claim this is enough evidence to declare Reddit “officially” a CIA project.

The site also has many sub categories, ranging the normal gamut of usual conspiracy theories. Everything from 9/11 truth to the Bilderbergs, to religious groups. There is an entire section dedicated to “Jews” and another to “Hindus” and yet another to “Buddhists”. There is no “Christian” or “Catholic” categories, although there is a “Cathoic” category.

All of the categories are empty except for the Reddit and Bitcoin categories. Those are filled only with the “evidence” mentioned above.

The site's forum is similarly devoid of content, with the entirety of the posts coming from the admin.

But perhaps most damming of all to the site's intentions is its homepage. Completely devoid of anything useful, it has a search engine that only searches its connected sites. Below the search engine are links to fake sites claiming to be the “#1 Bitcoin Wallet” and “#1 Bitcoin Exchange[.]” The intention of these sites are unclear as there is no where to sign up. It also has bitcoin search engines that seem to have no actual connection to Bitcoin, a “Bitcoin bank” and a site called “BiTunes”.

Now, why would a site that is trying to warn us about Bitcoin's connection to the CIA push for more Bitcoin use and adoption ,especially in such a nonsensical way? It is not as if keeping Bitcoins in their wallet would stop the CIA from following transactions on the blockchain.

The fact of the matter is, despite their claims that the site was funded by an (unnamed) Non Profit Organization and that they are “Not The CIA” we know nothing about who is actually funding this site. It could potentially be the CIA spreading “FUD” (Fear, Uncertainty and Dissent) or a young teenager looking to make his mark on the internet using wild claims, or it could be potential scammers, hoping to somehow get people's Bitcoin.

The site is protected by a Whois guard and was registered on August 1st.

In the end, it hardly matters if the CIA or the NSA or whomever created Bitcoin. The math is there and it is open source. Anyone can look at it and verify its security. We know for a fact that the Tor network was created by the CIA, it wanted a private and anonymous internet for its operatives. That hasn't stopped the application from being very useful for people wanting to avoid organizations like the CIA. If Satoshi really was the CIA, then they have created something that they can no longer control. Sure, they can watch the blockchain, but we have known that since Bitcoin's inception.



http://cointelegraph.com/news/112255/op-ed-no-bitcoin-wasnt-created-by-the-cia

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August 12, 2014, 03:18:48 AM
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An unfortunate reality of the internet is that anyone can make any claim and if it is outrageous or controversial enough, they will get attention.

Recently, a site appeared on the Internet claiming to be a group of “hacktivists” called CIAproject.org, which feels the need to repeatedly remind us that they are “not the CIA”  that claims Bitcoin was created by the CIA or the NSA. Their claims were then reported on as something that might have some validity by the ibtimes and one of our competitors.

While I am careful about using the phrase conspiracy theory, since that is often used to discredit legitimate theories of conspiracies (see NSA spying as one example of a “conspiracy theory” that ended up being true, COINTELPRO is another). However, in this case, the negative connotation behind the phrase seems appropriate.

I should note that I have no issues with true hacktivists, so long as they present the evidence obtained during their deeds. While some are misguided, I see the majority of them as virtual Robin Hoods, taking a bite out of the power structure in a way they are unable to respond to. The problem is that this "hacktivist" group has done very little actual hacking, and is posting wild claims without any real evidence.


What Evidence Do They Have?

CIAproject's “evidence” consists of four connections, each of which is more tenuous than the one before. First, they point to Satoshi Nakamoto's name. As they state, the name roughly translates to Central Intelligence. But as ibtimes points out, it is also a fairly common Japanese name.

That flimsy piece of evidence is the theory's crown jewel, but there is no evidence that the pseudonym chosen by Satoshi sharing similarities with the CIA is anything but a coincidence.

The second piece of evidence brought by the CIAproject is Satoshi never revealed anything that would reveal his identity. This, they say, is evidence of intelligence training. However, it ignores the fact that thousands (if not millions) of people manage to remain anonymous online everyday. The actual hacktivist group Syrian Electronic Army has pissed off enough powerful people that billionaires would love to find out who they are and shut them down. They have been unable to. It seems unlikely that the Syrian Electronic Army is also a CIA puppet group.

The group also claims that since Gavin Anderson spoke to Satoshi for years but never met him in person or talked to him on the phone implies that he is actually “they” and that they are an intelligence community. The only thing I will say to this is that I have had internet friends that I talked to for years, on message boards and elsewhere, without ever meeting or talking on the phone. I suspect many reading this have had similar experiences. I don't suspect all of them are CIA agents.

The third piece of evidence they bring is that the online forum Bitcointalk, which was frequented by Satoshi Nakamoto and continues to be the most popular Bitcoin forum on the web, censors talk about Bitcoin being a CIA project.

That claim seems either false or exaggerated. There are numerous threads on the possibility, and a quick search through the forum will reveal them. Bitcoin talk does occasionally delete threads that are repeats of topics already discussed multiple times, and that may be the reason that some topics were deleted (although we have heard no such claims elsewhere).

And the last piece of evidence is so flimsy, it hardly makes sense at all. CIAproject claims that since Satoshi decided to use SHA-256 rather than PNRG, which was a more popular cryptographic algorithm at the time but was later revealed to have CIA and NSA backdoors installed, that means Satoshi must have had some inside information that PNRG was compromised and therefore went with SHA-256.

A few points here. PRNG was in fact more popular than SHA-256, but that doesn't mean PRNG would have been the default choice. First off, PRNG had some public issues, even back in 2008 when Bitcoin was created. Its OpenSSL was compromised on Linux (the OS of choice of early Bitcoin adopters) back in 2008. Furthermore, it was public knowledge at least back to 2007 that the NSA was promoting and modifying PRNG. Even back then, people who paid attention to these things were aware of PRNG's security issues and that the NSA was publicly pushing for it to be the standard. We may not have known for a fact that the NSA was putting back doors into PRNG, but a lot of people suspected as much. So, that Satoshi didn't pick the security algorithm that was favored by the NSA and suspected of being (and later confirmed) compromised by the NSA is actually evidence that Satoshi was not a CIA operative.

So, if their evidence is so flimsy, why post the video at all? For its trouble, CIAproject got mentioned in both a popular crypto website and a popular mainstream business site. It seems likely that the entire post was a ploy to grab some eyeballs.


Who Is CIAProject?

The site also claims Reddit is a CIA project because it banned “247 News” which is a site that looks to be funded and run by CIAproject itself. They claim this is enough evidence to declare Reddit “officially” a CIA project.

The site also has many sub categories, ranging the normal gamut of usual conspiracy theories. Everything from 9/11 truth to the Bilderbergs, to religious groups. There is an entire section dedicated to “Jews” and another to “Hindus” and yet another to “Buddhists”. There is no “Christian” or “Catholic” categories, although there is a “Cathoic” category.

All of the categories are empty except for the Reddit and Bitcoin categories. Those are filled only with the “evidence” mentioned above.

The site's forum is similarly devoid of content, with the entirety of the posts coming from the admin.

But perhaps most damming of all to the site's intentions is its homepage. Completely devoid of anything useful, it has a search engine that only searches its connected sites. Below the search engine are links to fake sites claiming to be the “#1 Bitcoin Wallet” and “#1 Bitcoin Exchange[.]” The intention of these sites are unclear as there is no where to sign up. It also has bitcoin search engines that seem to have no actual connection to Bitcoin, a “Bitcoin bank” and a site called “BiTunes”.

Now, why would a site that is trying to warn us about Bitcoin's connection to the CIA push for more Bitcoin use and adoption ,especially in such a nonsensical way? It is not as if keeping Bitcoins in their wallet would stop the CIA from following transactions on the blockchain.

The fact of the matter is, despite their claims that the site was funded by an (unnamed) Non Profit Organization and that they are “Not The CIA” we know nothing about who is actually funding this site. It could potentially be the CIA spreading “FUD” (Fear, Uncertainty and Dissent) or a young teenager looking to make his mark on the internet using wild claims, or it could be potential scammers, hoping to somehow get people's Bitcoin.

The site is protected by a Whois guard and was registered on August 1st.

In the end, it hardly matters if the CIA or the NSA or whomever created Bitcoin. The math is there and it is open source. Anyone can look at it and verify its security. We know for a fact that the Tor network was created by the CIA, it wanted a private and anonymous internet for its operatives. That hasn't stopped the application from being very useful for people wanting to avoid organizations like the CIA. If Satoshi really was the CIA, then they have created something that they can no longer control. Sure, they can watch the blockchain, but we have known that since Bitcoin's inception.



http://cointelegraph.com/news/112255/op-ed-no-bitcoin-wasnt-created-by-the-cia

No one is saying the CIA created bitcoin, we are actually going back further to the abacus which was a tool that could keep track of transactions and be encrypted at a low level. Bitcoin created the CIA, the CIA was created by the abacus, the abacus created bitcoin. A square is not a rectangle, but a rectangle is a square, kinda like that. ya dig?
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August 12, 2014, 03:22:42 AM
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If the CIA created bitcoin then why in the hell would the secret service and the other agencies try to higher people from this forum to help them understand bitcoin?  Even the CIA themselves hired Gavin to talk to them about bitcoin... what a silly idea...
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August 12, 2014, 03:26:15 AM
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If the CIA created bitcoin then why in the hell would the secret service and the other agencies try to higher people from this forum to help them understand bitcoin?  Even the CIA themselves hired Gavin to talk to them about bitcoin... what a silly idea...


There are probably different level of secrecy for secret agency. Or they may just trying to create a smoke screen for denialbility for the project they themselves created.
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August 12, 2014, 03:39:39 AM
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For me it is easier that all the Bitcoin was created by CIA FUD was created by the CIA to hurt Bitcoin.
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August 12, 2014, 03:41:07 AM
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I feel as if this is too much for me to take lol
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August 12, 2014, 05:58:34 AM
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Satoshi were CIA?  Shocked
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August 12, 2014, 07:08:10 AM
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People are truly retarded. What difference does the identity of the creators make?

It's an opensource project.
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August 12, 2014, 07:17:12 AM
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People are truly retarded. What difference does the identity of the creators make?

It's an opensource project.

the old SHA were also opensource, still they had a backdoor in it .

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People are truly retarded. What difference does the identity of the creators make?

It's an opensource project.

the old SHA were also opensource, still they had a backdoor in it .

I understand that, but still it's not deal breaking.

We should crowdfund bounties for finding bugs/backdoors and evaluating the code.

It's not a static thing, so what could stop the community to reveal/fix issues?
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August 12, 2014, 07:56:58 AM
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People are truly retarded. What difference does the identity of the creators make?

It's an opensource project.

the old SHA were also opensource, still they had a backdoor in it .

I understand that, but still it's not deal breaking.

We should crowdfund bounties for finding bugs/backdoors and evaluating the code.

It's not a static thing, so what could stop the community to reveal/fix issues?

I'm pretty sure people have had enough time in the last 5 years to proofcheck the blockchain for bugs and stuff, and the wallet has been upgraded countless times since that. There is no "backdoor" in bitcoin, no one can hack it, no one can duplicated bitcoins. Only one who could do it is an entity that possesses way too much hash power and controls the new blocks found to make a double spend attack successful, and even that is hard to do even if you own over 50% of the network. Chances aren't high that you will find all 6 blocks in a row at the exact time you decided to try a double spend.
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August 12, 2014, 08:13:13 AM
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Why do we give attention to this FUD?

Ask yourself this :

If the CIA or any other organization want to track people, or their money. {Why would they use Open Source code}? This is accessible to everyone and "backdoors" would easily be spotted.

It's much easier to subpoena a bank or financial institution and get all the information you need. {Just a little bit of paper work}

Silly argument and just another conspiracy theory, for people who do not understand how BTC work.

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August 12, 2014, 08:42:55 AM
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For me it is easier that all the Bitcoin was created by CIA FUD was created by the CIA to hurt Bitcoin.
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August 12, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
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The question of who created bitcoin is backwards looking and largely irrelevant.

Better to look forward and try to imagine how things are going to play out.

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August 12, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
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LakeBTC really very good and informative post, thank you for sharing.
If I can add something to your great article, it also doesn't make sense that CIA will create something what, in the long term, can ruin their own currency and banking system.

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August 12, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
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There's an easy way to figure this out.

Would the US government stand to gain anything by using the Bitcoin Protocol, a global asset tracking tool which eliminates anonymous paper fiat?

Hard to say but I'd say any government which employs the Bitcoin protocol with a few changes stands to gain massive power and control over its citizens.  

That right there is called motive.

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August 12, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
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LakeBTC really very good and informative post, thank you for sharing.
If I can add something to your great article, it also doesn't make sense that CIA will create something what, in the long term, can ruin their own currency and banking system.


Newsflash: the $, €, £, ¥ and other top world currencies have been destroyed and are actually in desperate need of a replacement within the next few years.

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August 12, 2014, 11:01:39 AM
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Yeah this FUD needs to be put to rest, it sounds like an insane Alex Jones conspiracy theory.

Really don't understand why people are posting multiple threads of this rubbish.


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August 12, 2014, 11:26:07 AM
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Waiting for forum to censor this thread... Do they even do to other CIA/BTC threads...... ?

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August 12, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
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Waiting for forum to censor this thread... Do they even do to other CIA/BTC threads...... ?

Waaaaaah!

Censor? LOL!

How long do you have to wait?

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