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August 14, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
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Nice story, but ebay will probably never accept btc, unless they let go of PayPal. PayPal is owned by the same people as ebay - right now, they force all new users to use PayPal too. I think you need to have an account from like 2007 if you want to use a different merchant - it is a scam, but they make the extra 2.9% + .34$ on every single transaction!


eBay and Paypal will accept btc... but not like you're thinking. They will require btc to be paid through a paypal btc wallet as an escrow/mediator. They will continue to take a cut on the transaction. Nothing will change otherwise, but it will be much easier to get money in and out of paypal without a bank account. That is a major plus for paypal.

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August 14, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
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Op thinks that everyone is panic selling, but I'm not.
I don't have any bitcoin to sell, this is the reason... I think that the price will drop to $400 in few days.

Likely. Bullish fever has not cooled down at all. But the more this assumptions are coming up I would interpret it as contrarian indicator. Meanwhile far away from being a contrarian. I would think we will bounce a while around between 480 - 550, before the last bullish fever will be cured by a capitulation.
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August 14, 2014, 01:48:33 PM
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We are just watching whales dump... then reload their BTC with a bigger profit... fledgling currency = prone to the swings of bigger players

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August 14, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
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What happen to BTC price, cmon!!!
4) Big money won't get in yet...they likely will get in with the facebook twins EFT and say someone like amazon or ebay takes BTC
but they won't get in with all the hype about BTC being evil/regulations/and a no one knows WTF is going on...

Nice story, but ebay will probably never accept btc, unless they let go of PayPal. PayPal is owned by the same people as ebay - right now, they force all new users to use PayPal too. I think you need to have an account from like 2007 if you want to use a different merchant - it is a scam, but they make the extra 2.9% + .34$ on every single transaction!

How low will it go, before it rises again? that's the question.

It will go back up, half past yo' face!

I love how people ask this. Like if anyone knows. People only know things from past references, but here with BTC, nobody has many references (history) to base predictions off of. Sure they has been many little scares like this will likely be, but bitcoin rewrites history every day. If everyone knew, nobody would really sell coin in the first place. I am mad that I still had .2 btc in the past 2 days, but hey I only lost $20. I will probably buy more coin today and wait a few days, and I will sell in about 2-3 days personally (what ever the price).

well I drank the kool aid will keep what I have invested..wtf it is only money ...someday I'll die..gonna piss it away on something..take chance for once in my life!

as to ebay/paypal I only bring that up in that when asked ebay/paypal head honcho (google it) says they likely will take BTC ...but paypal is their cash cow and how they do so as you say
is gonna be quite the feat...no question though if Ebay had not bought paypal and paypal was still independent and not such an ebay cash cow...ebay would have already
taken BTC imho I look at it this way

people right now in Africa for example have really good wireless phone networks etc (who'd want to string cable for inet) so even the very poor are managing to get/share
phones out in the sticks...inet creeps along with the cell phone expansion....(at a school library or whatever) so this guy wants to improve his life..he looks around has to pay
bribes to move money via wire xfer has to have a bank...(who the heck has banks there in the boonies it is like 1880's south dakota) the inflation on the currency of the country
say is 20% or more a year....you have few assets....so you have your cell phone you have or can get a hotmail address..you can get a bitcoin address etc..you save your $$
you go to the community center .use the inet computer (or maybe you can use cell phone) you get bitcoin bypassing the corrupt gov't and the banks etc...you contact ebay and say "I want to get a sewing machine so my wife can work
at home and improve my lot in life

I have bitcoin..." now the guy knows he can trust Ebay....NOW EBAY KNOWS IT CAN TRUST HIM the security is in the coin..transaction done in like
5 min....done...no bribes to gov't officials (except maybe to get the beast out of customs but that was a given on all mnfg stuff shipped in) no kickbacks or need for a bank or
even a bank account...and the guy is not hording gold in a hole under his hut for bad times etc.....he could have admittedly meager to us but $$$ non the less available
on the blockchain he could get in an emergency/revolution/bank panic/currency panic (like cyrus) etc ..hey piece of mind and way to get stuff too..what would you use
in this guys position "ivory coast $$$ at 20% or so depreciation per year" or BTC? hell it is a no brainer especially if he has international product access now.

imho how from that viewpoint how can Ebay or anyone like such WALK AWAY from the 3 billion or so folks slowly climbing up to middle class in the world...they can't

they have to have something like bitcoin...it works too well across the world..too much profit can be made for them to ignore this imho

thus Ebay will take bitcoin...and imho they pretty much again imho make an equiv to bitpay to do so...or hell just buy bitpay...it will be done....

bitcoin will never be a big deal in the USA but also say Ukraine .I knew some guys from there on the BFL forums before I got banned from BFL forums..they have to feel like
the luckiest schmucks about....when all this drama happened and the Ukrainian gov't rightfully slowed $$ xfer out of the country to avoid bank panics
 ..people thinking a Russian invasion and all ..stopped/slowed
their currency from flowing out of the country  not these guys with btc they could do so....heck if they happened to be from Crimea before Russia took it over they are even more
ecstatic in that Ukrainian $$ is useless there now i think (or hard to use)...and likely was impossible to move fiat out of Crimea for a time.

so yeah your in Syria or Argentina.... btc is a big big deal ..in a country where you hide gold under your hut just in case...a usb drive with btc if you have to beat it
to the border is a very very big deal...you add buying power thru the above ebay transactions etc and commerce world wide is gonna explode

so hopefully the institutional investors are waiting on the sidelines for the price to go low...see good news say the facebook twins ETF fund etc
and price will then skyrocket in the usual btc boom/bust cycle and all is well again (for a bit)

anyway again imho (dare to dream) and again i disavow all knowledge that I know wtf I'm talking about ...just how I am viewing it from the sidelines
as a kool aid drinking bitcoin holder don't ya know

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We are just watching whales dump... then reload their BTC with a bigger profit... fledgling currency = prone to the swings of bigger players

that could be very true too...although that kinda scares the crap out of me..if the whales were to panic for some reason/fud/news/gov't proposed regulation
or whatever..would be like an elephant stampede we little guys at least those panic'ing too and selling would be 'toe jam' and would likely in disgust never come
back to BTC could be a set back if it swung too far and looks too manipulated.. a concern for the future perhaps

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August 14, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
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Yikes, just went under $500, now I am a little concerned
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August 14, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
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Yikes, just went under $500, now I am a little concerned

Lol it was nice till it lasted. BTC will go to areas as it is worth 100-200 usd
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August 14, 2014, 02:46:07 PM
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Yikes, just went under $500, now I am a little concerned

Lol it was nice till it lasted. BTC will go to areas as it is worth 100-200 usd

Happy to see your only chance at genuine freedom fail? *Round of applause for this ignorant fellow everyone*


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August 14, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
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If a currency can fall 8.5% in a day on no real bad news such as today just proves the cronies and knockers correct when they say its too risky and volatile. Imagine if there was actually some bad news, sheesh.
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August 14, 2014, 03:07:34 PM
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i don't remember the 2013 chart, but i'm sure there was worst period, than this, hell you can just call it a "swing"

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August 14, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
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No panic at all. I expected a drop and sold to buy back cheaper. Made some BTC in the process. I'm always bullish long term.

People holding at all cost and without any stop loss are not to blame for their strategy but they should not look at forums and charts all the time and feel sad/bitter whenever BTC's price fluctuate. A multi-year investment is not to be scrutinized every days.
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August 14, 2014, 03:18:06 PM
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If a currency can fall 8.5% in a day on no real bad news such as today just proves the cronies and knockers correct when they say its too risky and volatile. Imagine if there was actually some bad news, sheesh.

You are assuming that people in general are pushing this down, your wrong. It was a flash crash on bitfinex.com caused by deliberate manipulation, absolutely nothing to do with public sentiment or news.
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August 14, 2014, 03:18:25 PM
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thanks to ethereum. Angry
they sell and cause panic.price drops and rise a little then they sell again.
they are selling their collected btc's and if they dont stop i will ask they are scam or not ? Huh
they will convert all btc and run ? great btc in their wallet.
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August 14, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
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No panic at all. I expected a drop and sold to buy back cheaper. Made some BTC in the process. I'm always bullish long term.

People holding at all cost and without any stop loss are not to blame for their strategy but they should not look at forums and charts all the time and feel sad/bitter whenever BTC's price fluctuate. A multi-year investment is not to be scrutinized every days.

I have an article I wrote yesterday on this very same topic.

http://thebitcoinmovement.com/project/buysell-bitcoin-opposed-using-savings-account/


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August 14, 2014, 03:51:50 PM
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If a currency can fall 8.5% in a day on no real bad news such as today just proves the cronies and knockers correct when they say its too risky and volatile. Imagine if there was actually some bad news, sheesh.

You are assuming that people in general are pushing this down, your wrong. It was a flash crash on bitfinex.com caused by deliberate manipulation, absolutely nothing to do with public sentiment or news.

Manipulation? It's disheartening to learn someone can hack into the exchanges and sell all the bitcoins, thats what I call bad sentiment!
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August 14, 2014, 04:34:38 PM
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What happen to BTC price, cmon!!!

Well it probably has been said before..thinking out loud here.

1) miners have been the cheerleaders of bitcoin...with asic prices now much HIGHER  then you could just plain buy BTC for.. not to mention the old
pre-order drama....they are not spending $$$ and coin on such anymore it is slowing down imho
they are not as vocal anymore...thus slows the newbie conversion by the old timers..likely have the wife on their case..and cashing some out...Also BIG mining farms
cash out to USD asap...so that is constant 'leak' in the bitcoin faucet imho $$$ wise..and the big mining farms are building like heck but may
be not planning their expansions 'quite' as soon as they may have ...with BTC price etc the way it is so that also may slow in next few months..but
for now it is too much supply

2) people still rely on the news media 'warnings' on bitcoin (sells ads) also the NY regulatory stuff (even if good intentioned they don't
have a clue and could make it worse) the US consumer protection agency fraud division taking complaints now on BTC related scams
(BFL watch out) bad news moves journalism ..thus....not a lot 'enough' use as it should be either by newbies buying and holding or people using BTC as fast
as miners cash out and make coin in the present (likely can't keep this up) too much held coin/mined coin/ no new blood coming in to spread
the hype from OUR point of view..and of course just plain 'vested interests' that have NO interest in bitcoin at all succeeding

3) people like me are holding but we have either 'enough coin' at the present time (ie in my case all I'm comfortable with the BTC I have (miners I got argh!)
at this time...or whales also holding ..ie everyone who is a BTC guy from either 1 year ago already 'bought' in from the $1100
to $600 drop ...we have the 'full tummy feeling' so to speak ...with all the bad press and gov't regulation hype Newbies and
big money investors are still sitting on the sidelines scratching head about btc...stalemate

4) Big money won't get in yet...they likely will get in with the facebook twins EFT and say someone like amazon or ebay takes BTC
but they won't get in with all the hype about BTC being evil/regulations/and a no one knows WTF is going on...a chicken and egg
problem you need the big money to jump in to stop this silly panicness crap and newbies they won'g jump in because they have
no idea wtf is going on yet with gov't and bad press...stalemate...BUT there is hope if it really gets say down in price about
450 usd or some such...whatever the bottom is THEN these big money types would probably start to wade into the pool slowly
if you want them to jump in imho we need Ebay/paypal or amazon to announce they are taking BTC at this price of $512..things
would go to the moon quick imho...but how to get the newbies and the big money folks in not to mention merchants like ebay/paypal
and amazon to get off the fence is debatable?

5) thus we may just 'float' about for a bit till something breaks in our favor....ebay/paypal takes bitcoin the facebook twins EFT
and just plain slow down of hash rate increase in the face of low prices....we have too much coin imho so price is dropping
what keeps me up nights is the press gets wind of ISIS the terror group buying BTC in some kinda sting or some association like
that ....we would be looking at 300 usd coin and more gov't regulatory panic imho that would suck

anyway if you drank the kool aid then all is hunky dory..anything below the ATH if BTC is gonna survive the next 10 years is 'gravy'
so if you think a market that survives will always get back to its ATH (may take 10yrs like housing but still) then you are buying like
a demon...or like me you are tapped out with perhaps the bad choice of getting miners at this price range and tapped out or
you are saying f*ck this ..it is too stressful and you are tapping out your mined 150 usd coin from last year and taking profits

it just all seems to be coming in bunches imho... 2 lessons 1) interesting as hell from a 'is the plane gonna crash or pull up" point
of view and 2) don't put anything in BTC you can't afford to lose...hopefully that is ALL that is going on ...people just feel 'overextended'
in what they put into BTC and this will all resolve itself in a month or so

but man there is a dang lot of moving parts and don't take what I said above in anyway that I know wtf i'm talking about
just some speculation on some of the moving parts....(head hurts gonna lie down....btc is mysterious to me)

Searing

Spot on. Sums things up perfectly. I am all in on mining rigs also, might as well tighten my chin strap and enjoy the ride.
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August 14, 2014, 04:42:31 PM
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$511.54 at bitstamp right now. I am still wondering should I buy some or should I sell what I have bought before.

Just bought some at like 79.49 or some such on coinbase (still not verified) so limit was I think 100 usd a week?

anyway....more a token leap of faith that it won't go below $500 usd....I think I bought it at 504.89 or some such

I'm in this long term..have what I can put in as I can afford...it is me or btc...if btc tanks I will just have lots of btc on the usb

when they plant me in the ground years from now...with said usb....(its mine damn it ...even if it goes the route of beanie babies)

made my bet

(thank goodness did not have this problem with beanie babies..back in the day..would have been crowded in the coffin and embarrassing at the funeral!)

hmmmm...an optimistic Searing.....rare indeed... (I've officially doomed you all!)


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August 14, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
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Very nice entry point indeed.
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I have buying order every $30 apart, all the way down to zero, of course most of the time they can not be triggered, today is the time when some slots were filled

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August 15, 2014, 01:34:34 AM
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I have buying order every $30 apart, all the way down to zero, of course most of the time they can not be triggered, today is the time when some slot were filled

That sounds like a good strategy, going to guess that the sell walls are set 30 dollars above those buy walls ^_^
Or HODL either one works.
Waiting for 420 or nothing myself but it looks like its coming back up already from the Wall Street Observer Thread.

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August 15, 2014, 02:49:43 AM
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If a currency can fall 8.5% in a day on no real bad news such as today just proves the cronies and knockers correct when they say its too risky and volatile. Imagine if there was actually some bad news, sheesh.

You are assuming that people in general are pushing this down, your wrong. It was a flash crash on bitfinex.com caused by deliberate manipulation, absolutely nothing to do with public sentiment or news.

Manipulation? It's disheartening to learn someone can hack into the exchanges and sell all the bitcoins, thats what I call bad sentiment!

thats not what market manipulation is...someone with a lot of coins sold them to trick the bots, no one hacked an exchange and sold other peoples coins..
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