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March 25, 2012, 08:42:54 AM
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Let me sum up the average man's life for you:

>man goes to college
>man works his ass off
>man gets middle class job that he finds boring as sin
>man gets married
>man gets three kids and a dog
>man eventually pays off his massive student loan debt by working nights and weekends.
>man gains 50 lbs
>man's wife loses interest in him
>man loses wife, kids, and house in one year
>man drinks himself to death wondering what he did wrong

Why the hell should I listen to the status quo when it's usually ending up like this? Fuck listening to society. Fuck listening to your elders. Fuck the status quo.

The Communists say, equal labour entitles man to equal enjoyment. No, equal labour does not entitle you to it, but equal enjoyment alone entitles you to equal enjoyment. Enjoy, then you are entitled to enjoyment. But, if you have laboured and let the enjoyment be taken from you, then – ‘it serves you right.’ If you take the enjoyment, it is your right.
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March 25, 2012, 09:17:07 AM
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That's no way to talk about your Dad.

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March 25, 2012, 09:44:39 AM
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That's no way to talk about your Dad.
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March 25, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
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lets sum up your life:
>been born into to a alcoholic family.
>annoys everyone, and thinks you are a much more important then everyone else.
>can not hold on to an identity for more then a few mouths(atlas or what you are called).
>thinks you are gonna change the world, by messing with the authoritys.
>being shot dead at the age of 20, because you did some political terrorism, like Breivik or Merah.
>or commits suicide, because the world sucks.

have a happy life.

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March 25, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
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I can't imagine anyone single under the age of 25 spending more than 30 minutes a day on the computer. How long does it take to email someone about a date? Life is too short.

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March 25, 2012, 04:36:17 PM
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I can't imagine anyone single under the age of 25 spending more than 30 minutes a day on the computer. How long does it take to email someone about a date? Life is too short.

I'm guessing you also imagine people under the age of 25 having cars and disposable incomes?

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March 25, 2012, 07:46:33 PM
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I can't imagine anyone single under the age of 25 spending more than 30 minutes a day on the computer. How long does it take to email someone about a date? Life is too short.

This is a weird opinion.
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March 25, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
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Let me sum up the average man's life for you:

>man goes to college
>man works his ass off
>man gets middle class job that he finds boring as sin
>man gets married
>man gets three kids and a dog
>man eventually pays off his massive student loan debt by working nights and weekends.
>man gains 50 lbs
>man's wife loses interest in him
>man loses wife, kids, and house in one year
>man drinks himself to death wondering what he did wrong

Why the hell should I listen to the status quo when it's usually ending up like this? Fuck listening to society. Fuck listening to your elders. Fuck the status quo.

I think you may be working under some false assumptions based on television and movie portrayals of "the working man."

I'll be 40 next year and I don't know a single person that fits the above description.

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March 25, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
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The divorce rate has never been higher. Single-female parenthood is at an all-time high as well.

You know good people who know how to get along in the world, edd. From the groups I've visited and people I met, a good portion of first-world society is having it really rough.

The reasons -- I'll discuss at a better time. It seems my original post insulted half the forum, heh.

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March 25, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
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The divorce rate has never been higher. Single-female parenthood is at an all-time high as well.

You know good people who know how to get along in the world, edd. From the groups I've visited and people I met, a good portion of first-world society is having it really rough.

The reasons -- I'll discuss at a better time. It seems my original post insulted half the forum, heh.

I'm not saying the people I know are all successful, happy, and in fulfilling relationships. You just posted a list of some very specific characteristics and I was pointing out that it does not apply, as a whole (or even a significant portion of it), to anyone I know.

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March 25, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
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Quite frankly, I stole the quotes from some Anon on 4chan. I thought it was funny. Really, the OP is just me having my typical dark sense of humor.

Anyways, I have failed to make a clear point it seems.

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March 25, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
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While you may be far noisier than I ever was, your philosophy reminds me a lot of mine when I was younger.  There is some truth to your statements, but you're a bit over the top in assigning the worst of the world to the "status quo".  There really is a lot of good out there, but it takes more effort to see it.

I don't normally do this since a naive interpretation can lead you astray, but for you I will recommend you study the Yoga Sutras.  http://swamij.com/yoga-sutras-narrative.htm is an excellent read.  But, I'll warn you: if you get to the point (like I did) that you feel everything is perfect and doing the right thing takes no effort, check yourself before you wreck yourself.  If you do wreck yourself, you'll learn vastly more, but the biggest lesson you'll come out with is that sometimes not knowing really is better.

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March 25, 2012, 09:19:58 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

I'll read this narrative for sure.

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March 25, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?

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March 25, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

The Communists say, equal labour entitles man to equal enjoyment. No, equal labour does not entitle you to it, but equal enjoyment alone entitles you to equal enjoyment. Enjoy, then you are entitled to enjoyment. But, if you have laboured and let the enjoyment be taken from you, then – ‘it serves you right.’ If you take the enjoyment, it is your right.
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March 25, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

So if a tree falls and nobody is around, it doesn't make a sound?

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March 25, 2012, 10:57:32 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

So if a tree falls and nobody is around, it doesn't make a sound?

If an individual percieves it as such.

The Communists say, equal labour entitles man to equal enjoyment. No, equal labour does not entitle you to it, but equal enjoyment alone entitles you to equal enjoyment. Enjoy, then you are entitled to enjoyment. But, if you have laboured and let the enjoyment be taken from you, then – ‘it serves you right.’ If you take the enjoyment, it is your right.
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March 25, 2012, 11:30:09 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

So if a tree falls and nobody is around, it doesn't make a sound?

If an individual percieves it as such.

But nobody is around... so no perception occurred by a human.

But if there is no noise, why does the deer jump and run off?  Or are you counting the deer as an "individual" who is part of the "human experience"?

I know you're going to say "but how do you know the deer jumped if nobody was around?".  To this I would say, I don't know, but that doesn't negate the reality of the situation.  Unknown != Unreal.

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March 25, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

So if a tree falls and nobody is around, it doesn't make a sound?

If an individual percieves it as such.

But nobody is around... so no perception occurred by a human.

But if there is no noise, why does the deer jump and run off?  Or are you counting the deer as an "individual" who is part of the "human experience"?

I know you're going to say "but how do you know the deer jumped if nobody was around?".  To this I would say, I don't know, but that doesn't negate the reality of the situation.  Unknown != Unreal.

Reality is merely a perception, even the entities that are obscured.

There is no reality. There is only you. There is only your perceptions. Everything is a perception. Everything, in essence, is you. We are you. You are we. We are perceptions. You are your perception.

Getting me?

The Communists say, equal labour entitles man to equal enjoyment. No, equal labour does not entitle you to it, but equal enjoyment alone entitles you to equal enjoyment. Enjoy, then you are entitled to enjoyment. But, if you have laboured and let the enjoyment be taken from you, then – ‘it serves you right.’ If you take the enjoyment, it is your right.
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March 25, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
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I'm very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. I accept everything as-is but I still prefer certain things. I am a nihilist of course, so there is nothing inherently right or wrong. In the end, whatever pleases me is what I do.

Doesn't that make you a Hedonist rather than a Nihilist?
Nihilism is simply realizing that there is no objective reality outside the human experience. Beyond that, anything goes. A hedonist would say all men should aim for pleasure. I do not.

So if a tree falls and nobody is around, it doesn't make a sound?

If an individual percieves it as such.

But nobody is around... so no perception occurred by a human.

But if there is no noise, why does the deer jump and run off?  Or are you counting the deer as an "individual" who is part of the "human experience"?

I know you're going to say "but how do you know the deer jumped if nobody was around?".  To this I would say, I don't know, but that doesn't negate the reality of the situation.  Unknown != Unreal.

Reality is merely a perception, even the entities that are obscured.

There is no reality. There is only you. There is only your perceptions. Everything is a perception. Everything, in essence, is you. We are you. You are we. We are perceptions.

Getting me?

I get you, but trust me when I say you're just using rhetoric to avoid really facing the big questions.

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