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April 18, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
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TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments?

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So your payout is effective 45% pps (including 5% fee, excluding elect. costs)?

47.5% goes into dividends. 47.5% goes into the bank for new hardware. 5% goes to me.

Thanks, I will reflect that in the other thread.

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April 18, 2012, 12:15:01 PM
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TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments?

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So your payout is effective 45% pps (including 5% fee, excluding elect. costs)?

47.5% goes into dividends. 47.5% goes into the bank for new hardware. 5% goes to me.
What about electricity? This means you pay even less than 47.5% PPS as dividend, right?

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April 18, 2012, 12:37:45 PM
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Yes, we pay for electricity first. We are a mining company not a bond. We have real assets as well Smiley   Hard to really compare these side by side.

I would agree with Goat that his investment compared to mine might be hard to compare or would at least require a more in depth comparison.

Goat, I am not sure what you mean with the statement "We have real assets".
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April 18, 2012, 12:47:19 PM
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Assets was not the best word I could have used. I meant ownership in hardware.

When someone buys my stock they get part ownership of real hardware and the cash from that hardware if we ever sell it. So not only do they get dividends but they get real goods as well.

I know you have real hardware but the people who buy your bonds to not get part ownership of it.

I sold stock in a mining company and you sold bonds. Both are fine, just hard to have side by side.

Thanks.

Thank you for clarifying your thoughts.
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April 21, 2012, 06:00:32 AM
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Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU?  I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them.

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April 21, 2012, 09:43:20 PM
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Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU?  I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them.

did that include the glbse forums at https://glbse.com/forum/index.php

I'm currently locked out until I get a password reset, but I also did a hunt around for these earlier this week and couldn't find anything.

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April 22, 2012, 06:56:57 AM
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Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU?  I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them.

did that include the glbse forums at https://glbse.com/forum/index.php

I'm currently locked out until I get a password reset, but I also did a hunt around for these earlier this week and couldn't find anything.

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Yes I did, but in their search nothing comes up for these.  I added FPGA-EU because it seems to have weekly dividends.  MATH payed out a dividend but I am not sure if it is weekly.  I will be adding a monthly dividend payout at the end of this month.  I am looking forward to the API.  If it does not come out soon I may write something that will just take the twitter feed and do this automatically for me.  I have never looked at the Twitter feed before, and doing it now I don't see any notification of dividends.  I only see trades, but I will keep an eye on it.

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April 22, 2012, 07:14:53 AM
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Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run.

One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report.

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Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run.

One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report.

I don't think my weekly reports has that much of an impact on prices.  There has only been 1307 views in 3 weeks, or maybe that is a lot but I don't know.  I really just report them because I do it myself anyway and I wanted to see what the market wants for weekly returns.

I wanted the weekly dividend report to give an estimated return in dividends for the next week based on what they could get at that moment.  I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean.  I really don't believe in fake bid/ask walls are well manipulation tools unless they are naked.  If someone puts up an ask with the purpose of manipulating the dividend rate (which would essentially increase the dividend percentage on my tables), then it is entirely possible that someone can purchase those contracts and get the assets at that price with the estimated dividend rate.

I hope that people don't just look at the dividend return percentage and make a bid.  That would be crazy.  For one, future dividends are not dependent on past dividends.  The next week's dividends can be due to mining difficulty, competency of the asset manager, earnings changes, or equipment failure.  Also, the price may change.  What someone could do with this table is to take the weekly total dividend that I report and find the estimated dividend return on the ask price at the time they are thinking of buying.

Over time we can also see what is the rate of change in the dividend amounts over the weeks.  Which assets are declining and which are rising.  With the mining stocks we can look at the change in dividend rate and the difficulty level.

In the future I hope with the API that this kind of information can be reported in real time like it is done with other financial assets.

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April 22, 2012, 07:59:51 AM
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Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run.

One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report.

I don't think my weekly reports has that much of an impact on prices.  There has only been 1307 views in 3 weeks, or maybe that is a lot but I don't know.  I really just report them because I do it myself anyway and I wanted to see what the market wants for weekly returns.

I wanted the weekly dividend report to give an estimated return in dividends for the next week based on what they could get at that moment.  I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean.  I really don't believe in fake bid/ask walls are well manipulation tools unless they are naked.  If someone puts up an ask with the purpose of manipulating the dividend rate (which would essentially increase the dividend percentage on my tables), then it is entirely possible that someone can purchase those contracts and get the assets at that price with the estimated dividend rate.

I hope that people don't just look at the dividend return percentage and make a bid.  That would be crazy.  For one, future dividends are not dependent on past dividends.  The next week's dividends can be due to mining difficulty, competency of the asset manager, earnings changes, or equipment failure.  Also, the price may change.  What someone could do with this table is to take the weekly total dividend that I report and find the estimated dividend return on the ask price at the time they are thinking of buying.

Over time we can also see what is the rate of change in the dividend amounts over the weeks.  Which assets are declining and which are rising.  With the mining stocks we can look at the change in dividend rate and the difficulty level.

In the future I hope with the API that this kind of information can be reported in real time like it is done with other financial assets.

Wow I didn't expect such a long and detailed reply. Smiley

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That would be great. Thanks for your answer.

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April 22, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
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...  I will be adding a monthly dividend payout at the end of this month.  I am looking forward to the API.  If it does not come out soon I may write something that will just take the twitter feed and do this automatically for me.  I have never looked at the Twitter feed before, and doing it now I don't see any notification of dividends.  I only see trades, but I will keep an eye on it.

You'd be better off with beautifulsoup or similar to screenscrape until the api comes out, which was supposed to have been by now. Dividends are not recorded in the twitter feed - might be worth getting nefario to add.

There is also an IRC feed on #bitcoin-assets-trades which lists in the format,  

[22:24:07] <+`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ FPGA-EU ] [ 2 @ 0.36 = 0.720000 BTC ]
[22:24:45] <+`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ PUREMINING ] [ 2 @ 0.37 = 0.740000 BTC ]

#bitcoin-assets also has chat in it about glbse and mpex, along with the ability to get volume information with the command !ticker <SYMBOL>.


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April 25, 2012, 05:44:15 PM
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really appreciate someone keeping track of this in a single place for us to see

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April 26, 2012, 10:29:48 PM
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I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities.  What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file.  Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities.

With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format.  It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth.

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April 26, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
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YABMC first dividend will be paid by 1100 UTC 27 April - just FYI - since we are not on a weekly schedule.

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April 27, 2012, 12:41:29 AM
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I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities.  What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file.  Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities.

With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format.  It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth.

That's all being done with the update, have you not visited dev.glbse.com?

It's got sparklines :p

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April 27, 2012, 02:21:13 AM
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I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities.  What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file.  Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities.

With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format.  It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth.

That's all being done with the update, have you not visited dev.glbse.com?

It's got sparklines :p

Yea the dev site looks promising, but you should also have it possible to download all the trades of a particular security either through the API or with a click of the website.  Right now I only see 24 hour high/low/average and by producing all the trades users could build their own particular time formats until it is available.

When will the dev site be turned functional?  Also, when will the forced bond buyback issue be in the update?

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April 27, 2012, 04:27:45 AM
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I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities.  What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file.  Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities.

With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format.  It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth.

Using my data grabber I will be able to do things like this for BITBOND (time is in UTC):

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                      .Open     .High    .Low    .Close .Volume .Adjusted
2012-04-04 23:39:55 0.60000 0.6000010 0.60000 0.6000010    3050 0.6000000
2012-04-05 14:29:49 0.60000 0.6250000 0.60000 0.6000000    1187 0.6036752
2012-04-06 11:55:01 0.63990 0.6399000 0.63990 0.6399000      75 0.6399000
2012-04-07 17:26:03 0.60000 0.6000001 0.60000 0.6000001      25 0.6000000
2012-04-08 22:17:53 0.95000 0.9500000 0.60000 0.6000000     783 0.6069987
2012-04-09 23:58:13 0.62500 0.7000000 0.60000 0.7000000     548 0.6214416
2012-04-10 19:18:57 0.60000 0.6000000 0.60000 0.6000000     121 0.6000000
2012-04-11 16:42:46 0.62400 0.6240000 0.50000 0.6000000      36 0.5090000
2012-04-12 22:50:55 0.61900 0.6190000 0.61900 0.6190000       8 0.6190000
2012-04-13 20:50:40 0.61900 0.6190000 0.50000 0.5000000       9 0.6057778
2012-04-14 17:02:54 0.62000 0.6890000 0.61900 0.6190000    2958 0.6567149
2012-04-15 14:37:52 0.62001 0.6200100 0.62000 0.6200000     232 0.6200004
2012-04-16 20:49:58 0.66900 0.6880000 0.60000 0.6300000    1836 0.6005791
2012-04-18 19:33:04 0.65500 0.6670000 0.60000 0.6670000     137 0.6069708
2012-04-19 16:43:16 0.63000 0.6650000 0.60000 0.6650000      84 0.6255607
2012-04-20 22:23:05 0.64000 0.6400000 0.62500 0.6400000      30 0.6360033
2012-04-21 23:38:58 0.64000 0.6400000 0.63999 0.6399900     240 0.6399998
2012-04-22 23:18:29 0.60000 0.6400000 0.60000 0.6400000     587 0.6017390
2012-04-23 23:53:43 0.60000 0.6000000 0.60000 0.6000000     599 0.6000000
2012-04-24 23:27:10 0.60000 0.6000000 0.60000 0.6000000    1449 0.6000000
2012-04-25 15:17:19 0.63900 0.6390000 0.60000 0.6000000    1440 0.6006479
2012-04-26 20:47:40 0.63500 0.6350000 0.61000 0.6299990     118 0.6254570
2012-04-27 02:01:26 0.63500 0.6350000 0.63500 0.6350000       2 0.6350000

And with the data manipulated I can make:



so expect the weighted weekly average on the update tomorrow.

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April 27, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
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That is excellent!

YABMC dividend was paid

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2012-04-27 06:11 43.2912 5000 0.00865824

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April 27, 2012, 11:11:06 AM
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Very nice. This would dramatically flatten the effect of price fluctuations and large spreads.

Thank you very much for your great work.

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April 28, 2012, 01:48:33 AM
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YABMC first dividend will be paid by 1100 UTC 27 April - just FYI - since we are not on a weekly schedule.

I am going to add YABMC to the monthly return table that I will publish on the first of this month.  It will contain returns for the month of April only.

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