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April 03, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
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GLBSE2.0 is nothing close to solid. All you need now to get access to someone’s account is their e-mail address and password. That is it!
Nefario himself understand how risky this is and claims he will take no responsibility. I understand that point of view and I am going to make it very clear that I also take no responsibility!

That's why you have MPEX. Probably out of beta this month.

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April 03, 2012, 12:23:41 AM
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I don't think there is any need for Nefario to identify him since he is selling honey and donate to this forum and have a photo showing a sexy woman leaning to man, which proof his social value already.  He is man who is expanding his business in the need to borrow money at 3% weekly interest and at the same time donating to the bitcoin forum, he must be a generous angle to save us from the 0.25%-annual-interest-stupid-and-evil-bank!

Such a man could be a con? the identity needs to be verified? Oh, no, you're kidding. So many people have already purchased the share with every verification option showing a red cross!

Let's buy the bond and shares issued by him!  Because lots of people buy it!

he is so trustworthy! he is working for the government!

he is in Thailand, somewhere miracle happens!

When any doubt about him arise, even hero member of this forum is thinking about ban the post, and everyone is against the doubter! you should follow the crowd to make your investment decision so that you make money!

why Nefario make this party stop!

Goat will have very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very  good reason to keep his identity confidential. because bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, you know.

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April 03, 2012, 12:58:40 AM
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Maybe has something to do with you running 4 separate listings?

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Maybe has something to do with you running 4 separate listings?

What is this Atlas Shrugged ?
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April 03, 2012, 01:10:19 AM
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The drama because I've locked his account and asked for ID verification.

May I ask why you locked his account?

This question will have to be answered before I send ID verification.

I believe it was because you posted personal information about your email and password use, making it even easier for unsavory types to access your account.

Still around.
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April 03, 2012, 01:12:24 AM
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I only have three but since Nafario also thinks I created BIB.goat...
Personally, I am baffled that you and Brendio have both failed to provide verification for your identities.  I'm not suggesting that I think you are the same person, just pointing out that I don't know of any good reason for either of you to wish to remain anonymous.  Moreover, someone posted in another thread that you had provided all sorts of proof of identity, so even if it's a PITA, why not jump through the hoops, be done with it, and hopefully have more buyers?  I was actually thinking of asking why you hadn't verified your identity in one of your threads before this whole fiasco started.
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April 03, 2012, 01:41:31 AM
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The drama because I've locked his account and asked for ID verification.

May I ask why you locked his account?

This question will have to be answered before I send ID verification.

How about because you've raised thousands of BTC in multiple listings on the GLBSE, borrowed thousands of BTC from lenders using this forum, claim you live in a 3rd world country, claim to run a bank that is just a pass-thru operation for your First Pirate Savings & Trust account, and have started being called a scammer here? 

Personally, all you would have to do to change my opinion about you is post a short video of you and your wife enjoying some of your honey in a public place in Thailand.  It seems like you're going through great lengths to convince people you are in Thailand with this honey selling.  Someone with your operation wouldn't need to bother selling honey to raise funds to be a Donator.  I imagine it is definitely not worth the trouble of buying/packaging/shipping unless you are trying to convince people you are in a location where it is not even worth trying to recover their lost funds once everything goes sour.  It just smells way too fishy.

Post a proof video and I will be the first to publicly apologize.  Personally, I think that would do more to prove your innocence then you submitting some false ID documents to be verified on the GLBSE.  You already have your picture and your wife's picture on this forum, so this should be a very simple solution to this whole witch hunt.  Although I wouldn't blame Nefario for wanting the identification of the person he's allowed to raise thousands of BTC using his site...  At least it would shut me up and would probably boost your honey sales.

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April 03, 2012, 03:48:27 AM
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The drama because I've locked his account and asked for ID verification.

May I ask why you locked his account?

This question will have to be answered before I send ID verification.

How about because you've raised thousands of BTC in multiple listings on the GLBSE, borrowed thousands of BTC from lenders using this forum, claim you live in a 3rd world country, claim to run a bank that is just a pass-thru operation for your First Pirate Savings & Trust account, and have started being called a scammer here? 

Hmm. I see huge huge warning signs w/ a person who won't identify who is so potentially overextended. The Bot issue was a glaring red flag when combined with all the other deals, IMO, and seems no surprise that we're here discussing this right now.

The less that you do to show that everything is on the up and up, the less I trust the whole deal.

The defensiveness that I see when Goat is questioned about his projects, and their details is yet another huge red flag.

Red flags don't mean things are not kosher, but they do tell me that I need to seriously reassess the potential risk.

This will me the last time I purchase shares in a company run by unidentified individuals. It sounds like lots of fun to take on that much risk, but *sigh* I really don't think people can truly be trusted that way. It invites them to be irresponsible.

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April 03, 2012, 04:21:32 AM
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I don't know why verifying your ID is an issue goat. You have a picture of yourself and girlfriend as your avatar, told people you live in Thailand, shared your email address. This shouldn't be an issue.

Sounds a lot like this OP
Something doesn't go the way you want so you throw a public hissy fit.

Security of your account is your responsibility, no one else's. Saying 'I take no responsibility', no one in there right mind should do business with you if that's what you think. If something happens, your account gets 'hacked', man up and take responsibility, that's how an honest man operates.

Nefario has taken appropriate steps to change authentication on the GLBSE and I personally think it's sufficient. If you had issues with it, why didn't you bring it up in beta testing? You were involved.

This sounds like you feel entitled here now and things should go your way...sad

Maybe I missed something

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April 03, 2012, 04:28:24 AM
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Saying 'I take no responsibility', no one in there right mind should do business with you if that's what you think.

Especially saying it after something happens.  Business is one thing, but what gets a person a successful business is their word and reputation.  That is invaluable as no one can purchase that.

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April 03, 2012, 04:30:04 AM
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I don't know why verifying your ID is an issue goat. You have a picture of yourself and girlfriend as your avatar, told people you live in Thailand, shared your email address. This shouldn't be an issue.

I agree.  I can understand why GLBSE business owners operating in States would be troubled to verify their identity, but Goat operating in Thailand's main benefit is the removal of legal risks.

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April 03, 2012, 04:53:31 AM
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Sell off one of your listings?
Excuse me being naive, but wouldn't it be your responsibility as owner (CEO) to buy them back and close the public offering? What does selling it off accomplish?

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Well, in his defense I think he just wants listers to verify their accounts for fraud purposes. There were a lot of bad contracts of the old GLBSE and with 2.0 I think he is trying to eliminate that best as possible.

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Well, in his defense I think he just wants listers to verify their accounts for fraud purposes. There were a lot of bad contracts of the old GLBSE and with 2.0 I think he is trying to eliminate that best as possible.

He froze my account with out telling me. I have been there for months. He has not verified his ID or even made his policy public!


This is a reasonable argument.

Introducing constraints to the economy only serves to limit what can be economical.
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His information is known...

He shouldn't have suddenly closed your account, I agree. What is the issue with you handing over a bit of info though? You don't have a problem posting a picture of yourself publicly. A verified email, name and address isn't so bad.

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His information is known...

He shouldn't have suddenly closed your account, I agree. What is the issue with you handing over a bit of info though? You don't have a problem posting a picture of yourself publicly. A verified email, name and address isn't so bad.

I can understand not giving personal information to a stranger, but this is playing chicken with both people's reputations.

What kind of information is needed?

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I guess the question is what happens if Nefario doesn't unlock his accounts.  Do the shareholders loose their money. 
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His information is known...

He shouldn't have suddenly closed your account, I agree. What is the issue with you handing over a bit of info though? You don't have a problem posting a picture of yourself publicly. A verified email, name and address isn't so bad.

What is he going to do with my passport? I do not know his policy. He has not made it public! He has no terms of service!

He is demanding my passport, where I live, where I work. My works phone number, my personal phone number. Internet bill. I forget it all :/


That is a little crazy.  If there is not more to the story then this probably could have been handled better and seems to be a problem of miscommunication.  It looks like a few of your assets are dropping in price.

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April 03, 2012, 05:40:30 AM
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His information is known...

He shouldn't have suddenly closed your account, I agree. What is the issue with you handing over a bit of info though? You don't have a problem posting a picture of yourself publicly. A verified email, name and address isn't so bad.

What is he going to do with my passport? I do not know his policy. He has not made it public! He has no terms of service!

He is demanding my passport, where I live, where I work. My works phone number, my personal phone number. Internet bill. I forget it all :/


That is a little crazy.  If there is not more to the story then this probably could have been handled better and seems to be a problem of miscommunication.  It looks like a few of your assets are dropping in price.

While I've not personally verified an ID, I did press Nefario for more information about his identity, and the ownership of GLBSE, on his thread.

It seems like Nefario is doing his fiduciary duty to protect investors using the GLBSE from unusually high risk scenarios. Regardless of how honest and solvent you may be, the number of outstanding issues plus a lack of identification is an unusual amount of risk for most investors. I can't see how you can disagree with that, regardless of how trusted you may be on these forums.

It sounds also like you've ignored your fiduciary duty to your investors and shareholders by discussing this issues so vehemently in public, and thereby calling your own actions, intentions, and identification into questions. This is why your issues are being sold off quickly now.

I have to wonder if Nefario shouldn't halt trading on your issues to protect their value while this issue is resolved.

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April 03, 2012, 05:51:33 AM
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According to this Nefario has made it clear that he can ask for any form of ID.

We may at our discretion, ask asset creators to provide proof of identity, address, phone number and more, until we are sufficiently satisfied. Said information will be held securely offline and not shared with any third party. We reserve the right to freeze trading of the asset and the asset creators account for failure to provide requested details or in the event of suspected fraud.
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