Ask TF thread

[newIndia]

Not sure how this will turn out, but ask TradeFortress anything (instead of polluting all the threads I reply to.)

How do u feel when u see people are getting Goxed and Stamped ?

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[Vod]

even though there is also no way we will ever probably know if you stole the coins or if they were actually stolen

TF stole the coins.

If you remember, about 3 months before the theft, TF blocked ALL personal messages on the forum, forcing everyone to email him.  He didn't want Theymos to see what he was doing.

It's like a smoking gun.  Or someone who changes their will right before they die in an "accident".  TF knew he was going to scam, and he planned for it.

[Vortex20000]

even though there is also no way we will ever probably know if you stole the coins or if they were actually stolen

TF stole the coins.

If you remember, about 3 months before the theft, TF blocked ALL personal messages on the forum, forcing everyone to email him.  He didn't want Theymos to see what he was doing.

It's like a smoking gun.  Or someone who changes their will right before they die in an "accident".  TF knew he was going to scam, and he planned for it.

95% he stole them or 100% he stole them?

[bitspill]

even though there is also no way we will ever probably know if you stole the coins or if they were actually stolen

TF stole the coins.

If you remember, about 3 months before the theft, TF blocked ALL personal messages on the forum, forcing everyone to email him.  He didn't want Theymos to see what he was doing.

It's like a smoking gun.  Or someone who changes their will right before they die in an "accident".  TF knew he was going to scam, and he planned for it.

95% he stole them or 100% he stole them?

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99.99% he stole them


No one will ever know what really happened though but that seems to be the consensus.
I even lost 1 BTC at CL.

[Vortex20000]

even though there is also no way we will ever probably know if you stole the coins or if they were actually stolen

TF stole the coins.

If you remember, about 3 months before the theft, TF blocked ALL personal messages on the forum, forcing everyone to email him.  He didn't want Theymos to see what he was doing.

It's like a smoking gun.  Or someone who changes their will right before they die in an "accident".  TF knew he was going to scam, and he planned for it.

95% he stole them or 100% he stole them?

    __
99.99% he stole them


No one will ever know what really happened though but that seems to be the consensus.
I even lost 1 BTC at CL.

Sometimes I wonder whether it would have been good for me to be an early adopter and get some goodies and get scammed or be what I am - a late adopter - and not get anything.

[bitspill]

Speaking of which... it appears TF or $username has ~16 BTC sitting in his known bitcoin wallet not associated with inputs.io/CoinLenders

https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF

So if you would like to use a portion of that to refund my 1 BTC that was supposedly safe at CoinLenders it'd be appreciated. You can keep the some odd interest that I had earned so long as I get the original 1 BTC back, the USD price is probably about the same as it was when I deposited also.

BTC Addr: 1GvUbiK1bevSqQjmXgNAtW5yJs11KYV35W

[toddtervy]

TF, I remember some of your sites before the 'fiasco'.  Seemed you had very good coding skill.  Are you working on any projects, or cryptocoin I am wondering?

[DebitMe]

TF, I remember some of your sites before the 'fiasco'.  Seemed you had very good coding skill.  Are you working on any projects, or cryptocoin I am wondering?

He claims to have lost over 4k bitcoins, how is that very good coding skill? (we know he stole it, but how can you call him a good coder when he says he lost it?)

[takagari]

I honestly can't remember if I cleaned out my CL account, I had always thought I left a bit to appreciate locked in. As it was used in loans, but the site went down and I'll never know.

What happened TF, we chatted so often, it all just went downhill from there

EDIT:
Thank you for removing that feedback.

[Welsh]

He claims to have lost over 4k bitcoins, how is that very good coding skill? (we know he stole it, but how can you call him a good coder when he says he lost it?)

I believe he was a decent programmer. Even if this wasn't a inside job, it doesn't make you a bad programmer that you missed something which someone else found out. Peoples brains operate differently, or may be more skilled. It doesn't make him a bad programmer.

Although, for holding such a large amount of coins, he should of invested in some penetration testing. (He might have) But, as far as I'm aware he coded it himself and probably didn't think it would be a problem checking for security issues himself.

Sadly, I too had money stored there. Which I didn't get back (lucky I was wise enough not to store much there), But I'm not going to go throw shit at the wall and call him a bad programmer. I might.

It doesn't matter if I believe he stole it or not, we can't prove it and we are speculating.

[DebitMe]

He claims to have lost over 4k bitcoins, how is that very good coding skill? (we know he stole it, but how can you call him a good coder when he says he lost it?)

I believe he was a decent programmer. Even if this wasn't a inside job, it doesn't make you a bad programmer that you missed something which someone else found out. Peoples brains operate differently, or may be more skilled. It doesn't make him a bad programmer.

Although, for holding such a large amount of coins, he should of invested in some penetration testing. (He might have) But, as far as I'm aware he coded it himself and probably didn't think it would be a problem checking for security issues himself.

Sadly, I too had money stored there. Which I didn't get back (lucky I was wise enough not to store much there), But I'm not going to go throw shit at the wall and call him a bad programmer.

Touche, the websites did operate well and efficiently, which would have taken coding skills.  I guess I should have called him an idiot for leaving that much in a hot wallet.  So I would suppose stupid but gifted at programming is a better way to describe him.  Also a liar for telling people he would back up funds with his own and a liar for saying he wasn't going to keep that much in the hot wallet.  You could also argue a thief, depending on what you believe happened to the coins.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

He claims to have lost over 4k bitcoins, how is that very good coding skill? (we know he stole it, but how can you call him a good coder when he says he lost it?)

I believe he was a decent programmer. Even if this wasn't a inside job, it doesn't make you a bad programmer that you missed something which someone else found out. Peoples brains operate differently, or may be more skilled. It doesn't make him a bad programmer.

Although, for holding such a large amount of coins, he should of invested in some penetration testing. (He might have) But, as far as I'm aware he coded it himself and probably didn't think it would be a problem checking for security issues himself.

It wasn't a programming bug. The exact vulnerability is described in Brain Eha's upcoming book Walking the Silk Road (inputs has its own section!!), but the gist was the attacker managed to reset the password on a chain of my emails, and get into the server control panel. There was no programming bug.

Inputs had been penetration tested regularly, and on security-critical projects I regularly spend upwards of $5000 on a thorough pentest by professional security forums.

[BadBear]

Touche, the websites did operate well and efficiently, which would have taken coding skills.  I guess I should have called him an idiot for leaving that much in a hot wallet.  So I would suppose stupid but gifted at programming is a better way to describe him.  Also a liar for telling people he would back up funds with his own and a liar for saying he wasn't going to keep that much in the hot wallet.  You could also argue a thief, depending on what you believe happened to the coins.

This is the sticking point with me. TF was smart enough to know that you can't fully secure anything, and even if you make it so hard it isn't worth it, there's always social engineering. Leaving that much sitting around was foolish, and I don't think he's a fool. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, I don't know.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Inputs had been penetration tested regularly, and on security-critical projects I regularly spend upwards of $5000 on a thorough pentest by professional security forums firms.

made a typo.

This is the sticking point with me. TF was smart enough to know that you can't fully secure anything, and even if you make it so hard it isn't worth it, there's always social engineering. Leaving that much sitting around was foolish, and I don't think he's a fool. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, I don't know.

Yeah, I don't have any explanation other than (i) lazyness (the system wasn't set up to make sending to cold storage easy, and it had to be performed manually), (ii) wanting to keep sufficient amounts on the server so nobody worries/panics, and (iii) about 1500 BTC was deposited within 48 hrs of the hack.

The later systems I've built do make sending to cold storage easier, but for the most recent site it was still an manual process. I intend on doing automatic cold storage transfers (hourly cronjob) for my future projects.

[DebitMe]

Inputs had been penetration tested regularly, and on security-critical projects I regularly spend upwards of $5000 on a thorough pentest by professional security forums firms.

made a typo.

This is the sticking point with me. TF was smart enough to know that you can't fully secure anything, and even if you make it so hard it isn't worth it, there's always social engineering. Leaving that much sitting around was foolish, and I don't think he's a fool. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, I don't know.

Yeah, I don't have any explanation other than (i) lazyness (the system wasn't set up to make sending to cold storage easy, and it had to be performed manually), (ii) wanting to keep sufficient amounts on the server so nobody worries/panics, and (iii) about 1500 BTC was deposited within 48 hrs of the hack.

The later systems I've built do make sending to cold storage easier, but for the most recent site it was still an manual process. I intend on doing automatic cold storage transfers (hourly cronjob) for my future projects.

Do you feel any responsibility or remorse for those people that got screwed because of you?  Still feeling the pinch because part of my wedding budget was in coinlenders, as well as, my fiancée's tuition money, and as far as I knew you were going to reimburse people from your own personal stash if anything went wrong (those were the terms I agreed to and was never asked to agree to something different), so I felt like they were pretty safe and obviously wasn't my whole amount.  Do you think its fair to sit on a couple hundred shares of AsicMiner, as well as other securities and bitcoin, and leave those you damaged as if nothing happened?  Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

[doggieTattoo]

You were once one of the most trusted members of bitcointalk. Now many of the threads you post in and the posts you make, and the threads you make are trolled with people saying how much of a thief (they think) you are.

Do you think you will ever be able to rebuild your reputation on bitcointalk and throughout the bitcoin community?

Does anyone have your dox or know your RL identity?

[bitspill]

Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

Charlie Hedbo thought they did nothing wrong but someone did,  now 12 are dead. http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

If you were TF right now would you reveal your identity?

Even when he was highly trusted TF wished to remain anonymous, why would he reveal himself when there is so much bad blood towards him?

[DebitMe]

Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

Charlie Hedbo thought they did nothing wrong but someone did,  now 12 are dead. http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

If you were TF right now would you reveal your identity?

Even when he was highly trusted TF wished to remain anonymous, why would he reveal himself when there is so much bad blood towards him?

exactly my point to prove that people hold him responsible and that he owes the community still.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Do you feel any responsibility or remorse for those people that got screwed because of you?  Still feeling the pinch because part of my wedding budget was in coinlenders, as well as, my fiancée's tuition money, and as far as I knew you were going to reimburse people from your own personal stash if anything went wrong (those were the terms I agreed to and was never asked to agree to something different), so I felt like they were pretty safe and obviously wasn't my whole amount.  Do you think its fair to sit on a couple hundred shares of AsicMiner, as well as other securities and bitcoin, and leave those you damaged as if nothing happened?  Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

I'm sorry for how CL/Inputs ended.

[doggieTattoo]

Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

Charlie Hedbo thought they did nothing wrong but someone did,  now 12 are dead. http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

If you were TF right now would you reveal your identity?

Even when he was highly trusted TF wished to remain anonymous, why would he reveal himself when there is so much bad blood towards him?

So I take it that his RL identity is not known by anyone in the community?