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April 05, 2012, 07:41:29 PM
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Hello Bitcoiners,
 
I see that people invest in IBB, which stands for Islamic Bitcoin Bank. I think it is the most hypocritical use of bitcoin. Allow me to explain. 
 
Islam, just as any religion (Christianity or Judaism) it is evil at the core of its philosophy. However, Islam is the religion today that takes itself into the government of Iran, which puts guns in the hands of these religious people. If they didn't have guns, their philosophy will only hurt themselves, since it is irrational and has no semblance to reality (example: independence of thinking is bad, sex is bad, etc). So as a person protecting freedom, I'm voting for a war against Iran, to dissolve the religious government. 
 
Bitcoiners talk a lot of free enterprise and freedom, and unrestrained capitalism.  Iran, all the Muslim countries that are sympathetic to Iran, are not for free enterprise. They are today what Soviet Union was before it crashed.
 
Islam is not the only religion that took itself into the government. The most recent example is Shinto religion in Japan. After USA bombed Japan and it capitulated, USA told Japan that they can continue with Shinto, as long as it is separate of government.   
 
I'd hate to see those who are fighting for freedom to be misinformed about the real cost of religion to this civilization. To find out more information about it and form your own opinion about this topic I recommend the following:
 
Milton Friedman's series on Capitalism:
http://www.freetochoose.tv/
 
Interview with Reza Khalili, an ex-CIA spy (Iranian double agent)
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2011-summer/reza-kahlili.asp
 
“Just War Theory” vs. American Self-Defense
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-spring/just-war-theory.asp
 
Richard Dawkins -- anything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMqTEfeqvmM
 
Ayn-Rand -- Capitalism the Unknown Ideal
http://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Unknown-Ideal-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451147952
 
I know what you are going to say, that whole purpose of bitcoin is to let people do with it whatever they want.  That is true, I'm just giving you information that you may not seen.  There is a lot of propaganda on both sides of the issue, and the only way to know who is right is to check your basic premises (knowledge).
 
If you are supporting Palestine, and that is your biggest motivation, here is a debate about it:
http://www.debate.org/debates/Israel-is-justified-in-attacking-gaza/2/
 
Our biggest problem today is not the absence of laissez-faire capitalism in USA and the world.  Govt controls, and taxes is a symptom of the root sickness which is wrong assumptions about philosophy.  It is a lot of work to untangle the mess we are in today, but if you see a hungry child in Africa or Gazza, or in a poor area of USA, and you want to help -- you have to understand the cause of the problem, to solve it.  It is like if you find a bug in your code, you want to understand it, rather than adding a special case "if" at the point where it crashes.
 
I hope that bitcoin will not be used to promote religion, or socialism, or altruism.  If you think I'm crazy for saying that, please make sure that you are familiar with the links I posted.

I know that there people who are very strongly subscribe to the Islamic dogma, and who get just as strongly offeneded if they hear anything against it. I'm sorry to offend you, but this is the truth.
 
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April 05, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
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Your clueless.

Freedom is freedom.  Even the freedom for other "scary people" to do things you disagree with.

If you think religion is bad you convince people of that fact.  If you can't then your freedom doesn't extend to forcing them to stop.  It is a pretty simple concept.  Compelling a change from the barrel of a gun isn't freedom.

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So as a person protecting freedom, I'm voting for a war against Iran, to dissolve the religious government.  

LOLZ.   Let me guess it won't be you that goes over there and comes back in a body bag right?  Just someone else.  I was that "someone else" in the US last grand crusade.  Tell you what you enlist, infantry, and THEN advocate for a war with Iran knowing you will be on the front lines and your words may be more than just hypocritical nonsense.

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I hope that bitcoin will not be used to promote religion, or socialism, or altruism.  If you think I'm crazy for saying that, please make sure that you are familiar with the links I posted.

Bitcoin is a currency.  It has no moral compass.  Even if we accept your premise that Islam is evil, Bitcoin has (or eventually will if successful enough) be used to fund/promote just about every evil thing imaginable.  Violence, hate speech, human slavery, racial violence, child prostitution, terrorism, , organized crime, religious wars, drug cartels, hate crimes,illegal weapons sales, ransoms, piracy, etc.  You name it if it is evil Bitcoin will eventually fund it.

Of course so has dollars.

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I know that there people who are very strongly subscribe to the Islamic dogma, and who get just as strongly offeneded if they hear anything against it. I'm sorry to offend you, but this is the truth.

I am not a Muslim and you don't offend me.  You are just an idiot.
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April 05, 2012, 07:50:47 PM
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Islam is not evil and the IBB rocks big time.  I'm a Pastafarian but the CEO of the IBB is one of the nicest and best people I've met in the bitcoin community.

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April 05, 2012, 07:56:58 PM
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The OP is completely clueless.

As Senbonzakura from IBB will certainly tell you, the mission of the IBB is to be in line with the principles of Sharia, that means free of usury.
IMO a very noble mission, and I certainly can support that.

As for religion invading the government: Don't make me laugh; just look at the current US presidential race, how some candidates pushing religious beliefs more than anything else? So who's a hypocrite?


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April 05, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
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OP, your opinions are so misguided... go read a few up from a few un-bias sources Smiley

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April 05, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
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April 05, 2012, 08:02:39 PM
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The OP is completely clueless.

As Senbonzakura from IBB will certainly tell you, the mission of the IBB is to be in line with the principles of Sharia, that means free of usury.
IMO a very noble mission, and I certainly can support that.

As for religion invading the government: Don't make me laugh; just look at the current US presidential race, how some candidates pushing religious beliefs more than anything else? So who's a hypocrite?



Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 

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April 05, 2012, 08:10:22 PM
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Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 

Yes, requiring women to do that seems odd to me too.

Then even for the US, I was surprised to hear is that there's a discussion going on whether women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club, and I thought to myself, wow we really need to catch up, it's the 21st century!


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April 05, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
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Also for you Christians and Jews Islam is a religion of the book meaning it follows and believes the old testament highly they even believe Jesus was a prophet.  Although we all know Jesus was the son of god but the Flying Spaghetti Monstor made god so I worship the FSM  Cheesy   

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April 05, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
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I'm not stopping anyone by force of using IBB.  Go ahead, use IBB. I will make sure my bitcoins will not end up there, and my post is the explanation why.

I disagree with you, therefore I wrote my post. Being able to write what I wrote is one of the meanings of freedom to me.

Sharia, is exactly, the evil merge of religion and govt. It is a conquering theology, that attempts to dominate the whole world by force and majority voting.

But in thruth, no religion was able to contain itself -- it wants to spread by its definition. That is why it is so dangerous.  From Christian crusades, to the Inquisition, to Hugenots, and finally to Sharia.

Saying that financing evil is a necessity of a free currency is orthogonal to my position. I am saying that although it is technically possible, and maybe some people do it, you, the reader, shouldn't do it for the reasons I have outlined.

I am also not saying the the CEO of IBB is a not a nice guy.  Many people are good people, but they do bad things without realizing it. We are born into the world with a baggage of culture that is fed into us by the social system in which we grow.  Read 1984 by George Orwell, about how hard it is to contradict.  Many people grow up with a several conflicting views in their head, that they don't know how to balance. For example, the concept of God and the story in the Holy Books, and science.  They invent a kludge to keep them in their head without conflicitng, rather than choosing the Occam's Razor.








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April 05, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
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troll thread detected.

I support IBB.


"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell
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April 05, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
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Sharia law is very similar to Christianity before the renaissance.  The only part I really dislike is woman covering the faces I don't mind them covering the body's and heads just not faces. 

Yes, requiring women to do that seems odd to me too.

Then even for the US, I was surprised to hear is that there's a discussion going on whether women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club, and I thought to myself, wow we really need to catch up, it's the 21st century!



It all depends on your interpretation of Sharia just like some Christians won't eat meat on Good Friday and Roman Catholics won't eat meat every Friday this stems from the tradition you should fast every Friday to show devotion to Jesus.

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I support IBB.



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April 05, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
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Hello Bitcoiners,
 
Iran, all the Muslim countries that are sympathetic to Iran, are not for free enterprise. They are today what Soviet Union was before it crashed.
 

You will also find real socialists (see this for a definition of socialism - http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/what_is_socialism.php -[not neo-librel Democrats or (centre)left wing politics]) and most reasonable people are sympathetic to Iran and especially Palestinians.  Also BTW the USSR wasn't socialism that was state capitalism.

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Hello Bitcoiners,
 
Iran, all the Muslim countries that are sympathetic to Iran, are not for free enterprise. They are today what Soviet Union was before it crashed.
 

You will also find real socialists (see this for a definition of socialism - http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/what_is_socialism.php -[not neo-librel Democrats or (centre)left wing politics]) and most reasonable people are sympathetic to Iran and especially Palestinians.  Also BTW the USSR wasn't socialism that was state capitalism.
you can't argue with OP, he a brainwashed confused child.

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April 05, 2012, 08:37:21 PM
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Also as a Pastafrian I and the rest of humanity have a LOT to thank Arabs and Islam for!  They kept science alive during the dark ages none of the ancient Greek texts wouldn't have been kept if it wasn't for Arabs/Islam.  Every word that starts with "Al" is an Arabic invention "Algebra, Algorithm, Alcohol"  Also the numbers we use were invented by the Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals - If it wasn't for them we would still be using Roman Numerals (but we have Hindu's/Indians to thank for the number zero).

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April 05, 2012, 08:46:40 PM
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It is a conquering theology, that attempts to dominate the whole world by force and majority voting.

Hey, that's almost like Bitcoin! Just if you look closer, religion doesn't allow for the >50% decision (I guess that's where the force part comes in...).


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.. long boring post deleted ..

... you lost me at "I support the war ..."

+1 that, although the OP lost me much earlier...

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April 05, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
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Matthew: USSR was socialism/communism.  USA before creation of the Federal Reserve system was capitalism. Today under Obama it is more socialism. Nazism was socialism. (Hitler's party was the National Worker's Union).  You have many concepts confused.  Socialism is evil as well, but Sharia is militant and Socialism is philosophically evil. Left or right, democrats or republicans -- their title doesn't matter. What matters is what they say, and what they stand for in their actions.

To others -- I have stated my postiion and will not debate further in this forum -- the information is out there in the links I posted, and you can debate there on each of those points. My point of posting it here was pertaining to bitcoin and the hypocrisy of such a use: defending freedom and financing murder is a contradiction.

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