Moldova

[Nemo1024]

Almost 500 000 romanian citizenship solved applications in the last two years from a 3.5 million country.
Those are only solved applications and do not count minors.

The numbers tell more than a pro-russian tears crying over a failed Eurasian community.

You forget about 750.000 migrant workers (often illegal) from Moldova in Russia and about 30% of Moldovan GDP coming from those workers sending money home.
Russia is tightening up immigration and work permit rules, and Moldova is on a black list. Now think about the consequences of those 750000 being sent back. Is Romania ready to issue more residence permits, because there sure is no work to be had in Moldova?

There is not much tears for that from Russia, more like from people of Pridnstrovje. Will the 2006 referendum (>90% for) results be acknowledged? What about 300.000 signatures collected in 2014 and confiscated by Moldovans?

Failed? You are too quick in your judgement. Let's talk about this again in 3-4 years.

[niothor]

You forget about 750.000 migrant workers (often illegal) from Moldova in Russia and about 30% of Moldovan GDP coming from those workers sending money home.
Russia is tightening up immigration and work permit rules, and Moldova is on a black list. Now think about the consequences of those 750000 being sent back. Is Romania ready to issue more residence permits, because there sure is no work to be had in Moldova?

You always said things are changing. So is the moldovean workforce.

From 20 000 workers prior to 2010 there are an estimate of 250 000 working in the EU. And this keeps growing.
In the first days of September 9000 people received their dual citizenship and most of them are planing one thing , go to EU to work. (for a better wage).

Besides , http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova-russia-nationals/25123031.html what you say has already started.

And sorry , I don't get your last question.

There is not much tears for that from Russia, more like from people of Pridnstrovje. Will the 2006 referendum (>90% for) results be acknowledged? What about 300.000 signatures collected in 2014 and confiscated by Moldovans?

Failed? You are too quick in your judgement. Let's talk about this again in 3-4 years.

Ever been there? Take a trip if you have time. No words can really describe Transnistria.
If Romania is a landfill then Transnistria is where our garbage is going.

[Nemo1024]

And sorry , I don't get your last question.

Ever been there? Take a trip if you have time. No words can really describe Transnistria.
If Romania is a landfill then Transnistria is where our garbage is going.

The last questions: those 750.000 guest workers that will eventually get kicked out of Russia (especially once Moldova goes the EU way), will need to go somewhere, and it will be Romania.

And to the second point. No, I haven't been there. That's why I find it interesting to to listen to that talk from someone who's been there and has close ties to it.
As for the landfill. Yes, but whose fault is that? If they don't agree with Kishenjov/EU, then starve them, blockade them. Right? Don't listen. Don't cooperate. Don't let them live their own choice in peace. And it's a region that was doing pretty well before the civil war.

PS for those who don't read the previous page of a thread

An interesting talk about Moldova and Pridnestrovje from someone having ties to the region and following the development there rather closely. The conflict there has been on a slow backburner for quite a long time, even after the Transnistrian referendum for unification with Russia  (2006), and is coming to a head now that Poroshenko's coup government has disturbed the fine balance in the region, blockading the republic.

LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac

[niothor]

The last questions: those 750.000 guest workers that will eventually get kicked out of Russia (especially once Moldova goes the EU way), will need to go somewhere, and it will be Romania.

And to the second point. No, I haven't been there. That's why I find it interesting to to listen to that talk from someone who's been there and has close ties to it.
As for the landfill. Yes, but whose fault is that? If they don't agree with Kishenjov/EU, then starve them, blockade them. Right? Don't listen. Don't cooperate. Don't let them live their own choice in peace. And it's a region that was doing pretty well before the civil war.

PS for those who don't read the previous page of a thread

No , they won't come here. Less than 1% will. The rest will go and search for a job in the EU. The only good point i see in this is that it will make the market more unattractive to north africans and asians.

Second , that's why I asked you to go there.

Transnistria is not in any danger. It a huge prison. And with the remains of the Russian 9th army(?) there it's Moldova who feels in danger.

[Nemo1024]

I haven't gone to Romania either. But the image of Romania in Norway is: a dump where all these gypsies and thieves that you see begging in the streets come from, and where towns and villages are falling into ruin. A place you shouldn't go to, because you'd get robbed faster than you can blink. So what do I know, maybe your perception of Moldova/Prednestrovjie is equally flawed as our perception of Romania here.

From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.

Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.

[niothor]

I haven't gone to Romania either. But the image of Romania in Norway is: a dump where all these gypsies and thieves that you see begging in the streets come from, and where towns and villages are falling into ruin. A place you shouldn't go to, because you'd get robbed faster than you can blink. So what do I know, maybe your perception of Moldova/Prednestrovjie is equally flawed as our perception of Romania here.

From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.

Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.

1) No , just because your perception is not flawed . Don't forget about the dogs. The president of the japanese-romanian business association died bitten by a dog in front of our government building....

2) Yeah , uneducated masses who still believe the earth is flat. The same guys that bought communism to the area.

3) As for the last part the russian army did it. Why was there a whole army corp ? Don't start with the bull* about protecting russians cause you know it's false.

[Nemo1024]

I was going to write about the army in a PS, but you beat me to it. They are guarantors of peace. You see, better "prison" than slaughterhouse. People there still remember the bloodbath unleashed on Transnistria by the (pro-)Romanian-headed clans of Moldova (not unlike in Novorossia by Ukrainians) and the threat has not gone anywhere. That army is the only thing that stops the Moldovan government from gettig inspired by kiev and resuming where they left off in the 90s when Russian peacekeepers intervened. That civil sar, just like the war in Novorosia, didn't get much attention in the Western MSM as it didn' align with US interests (unlike Georgian invasion of South Osetia)

[niothor]

I was going to write about the army in a PS, but you beat me to it. They are guarantors of peace. You see, better "prison" than slaughterhouse. People there still remember the bloodbath unleashed on Transnistria by the (pro-)Romanian-headed clans of Moldova (not unlike in Novorossia by Ukrainians) and the threat has not gone anywhere. That army is the only thing that stops the Moldovan government from gettig inspired by kiev and resuming where they left off in the 90s when Russian peacekeepers intervened. That civil sar, just like the war in Novorosia, didn't get much attention in the Western MSM as it didn' align with US interests (unlike Georgian invasion of South Osetia)

Slaughterhouse... yeah , bloodbath. Probably since you claim that the western media didn't care too much about it you have reading your usual russian sources.

That war was a joke. A joke with dead people killed by drunk mercenaries who even now don't have a clue what they were fighting for.

There are numerous reports in the Romanian press about the soldiers having their own ceasefire at night , getting drunk , waking up in the morning and then shooting at each other again and in the night drinking with the enemy in the memory of the killed ones.

And about the protection , I remember the nut in charge of the 14 army that claimed no less than 27 times (lmao , i bet those were his only words he knew) that his army will reach Bucharest in 2 hours . I personally don't know what russian tank is capable of 300km/h but be it like him.

As for the protection , protection my ass. More russian civilians have died there in the fighting than there were real supporters for the independence.
They wanted independence because before the '89 only Russian were in charge in Moldova occupying high ranks and now with Moldova gaining independence they had to go to do real work not sitting in a chair all day and give orders whit their families enjoying the equality of communism.

[Nemo1024]

I think Moldovians living in Russia will disagree with you.

In this video the woman gives a very passionate speech during the founding meeting of the commentate of the public representatives of Moldovans living in Russia, asking that Russia does not send Moldovans out as they have nowhere to go intheir own country. She also mentions Voronin, saying that they voted for him before, and now it turns out he's selling the country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaRTw8f_vs&list=PLFo85AKj-7T1y67qRpkc3NRbJ9tGE8UZv&index=41

More here:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/why-usnatonwo-can-never-defeat-russia/

Moldavians living in Russia and the Social-Democratic Party of Moldova are trying to organize 200 polling stations so citizens of Moldova abroad could vote in the November 30 parliamentary elections. The power in the country has been usurped by 3 “democratic” pro-western parties, aided by the corruption of the largest party of Moldova, the Communists and its leader, Vladimir Voronin. People had been supporting Communists because they thought they were pro-Russian, but communists proved that they were just as sold-out (however bizarre it sounds) as the Moldovan ruling pro-western neo-liberal democrats.

So, the present government is refusing the citizens their birth right: 750k-1mln of Moldovan citizens of voting age, who work in Russia, have no possibility of voting in the upcoming election!

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Gagauzia is sure to secede. The Gagauzia autonomy had a referendum in February 2014 in which 97% of citizens voted to join Customs Union and secede from Moldova, unless Moldova also joins Customs Union. Pridnestrovie has been knocking on Russia’s door for a very long while. Its referendum of 2006 also had similar results: about 97% of people voted for re-unification with Russia.

Also about the use of Russian language by Gagauz, that you made fun of earlier. The fact that various ethnic groups in Moldova prefer to use Russian as common language (even though Russians as an ethnic group there is a minoruty), instead of Romanian, speaks for itself.

I think I will rename this thread to Moldova. Such a topic will be needed soon.

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ If Gagauzia declares independence, it will prove to be problematic. It is not a geographically continuous entity, and consists of many exclaves and enclaves. And it shares no common border with Transnistria. So a better idea would be to ensure victory for Voronin's party in the parliamentary elections. For that to happen, Russia needs to do something so that the one million Moldvin voters living in Russia gains there right to vote.

[Nemo1024]

^^^ If Gagauzia declares independence, it will prove to be problematic. It is not a geographically continuous entity, and consists of many exclaves and enclaves. And it shares no common border with Transnistria. So a better idea would be to ensure victory for Voronin's party in the parliamentary elections. For that to happen, Russia needs to do something so that the one million Moldvin voters living in Russia gains there right to vote.

Victory for Voronin's party? He's pro-Romanian, correction, he is Romanian bearing a Russian surname, and Moldovans outside of the ruling elite stamped him as the one selling out Moldova.

[bryant.coleman]

Victory for Voronin's party? He's pro-Romanian, correction, he is Romanian bearing a Russian surname, and Moldovans outside of the ruling elite stamped him as the one selling out Moldova.

I thought that Voronin's party (PCRM) was pro-Russian and anti-EU? As far as I know, he hasn't favored Moldova entering the European Union, and have always maintained a friendly relationship with Russia. On the other hand, the ruling triumvirate (PLDM-PDM-PL) is rabidly anti-Russian and is in favor of joining the European Union.

[bryant.coleman]

Partidul Nostru is currently polling at around 12%. The pro-EU forces have already started their campaign against the party. For example, the Wikipedia page has been deleted and some of the users who created it were banned.

[Grand_Voyageur]

You are missing Moldova here, where West-Ukrainian-style ethnic unrest is being fomented now, and which will be unleashed soon. The hand of Romania is seen pretty strongly there, and well as worshipping of Nazi-german army collaborators. Familiar?

Why did I anticipate this attack?
Probably because of this?

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/moldova-inaugurates-gas-pipeline-in-bid-to-break-energy-reliance-on-russia/506029.html

=))))))

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Because on the 9th of May the prime minister turned up with a ribbon of a Romanian flag colours.
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I didn't have the time to look into the merits of your other points but this one wholly disqualify your position as false/ignorant as well as lacking any basic understanding of Moldovan history. The blue, red, and yellow tricolor of Moldova is almost identical to the flag of Romania, reflecting the two countries' national and cultural affinity. So their PM was wearing a ribbon with their own's national colour not a foreign one! Probably you preferred to see him with Russian ribbon?
 

[Nemo1024]

No, I wouldn't. Also, I am reporting what I saw in media. If my perception of it was incorrect, you are, of course, free to rectify it - that's the nature of democracy as understood in Russia. This one detail, however, does not negate all the other points made.

PS: an interesting read on history Modavia and Romania in WWII and the Moldavan losses by the hands of Romanians:
http://www.newsmoldova.ru/commentary/20120507/191391727.html

[Grand_Voyageur]

No, I wouldn't. Also, I am reporting what I saw in media. If my perception of it was incorrect, you are, of course, free to rectify it - that's the nature of democracy as understood in Russia. This one detail, however, does not negate all the other points made.

PS: an interesting read on history Modavia and Romania in WWII and the Moldavan losses by the hands of Romanians:
http://www.newsmoldova.ru/commentary/20120507/191391727.html

Maybe it's not disqualifing you but surely disqualify as "propaganda" the reporting of Russian media who to support Kremlin-side put togheter false facts as well as one-side voices and do partial reporting. Maybe You cannot recognize this because you're acritically accepting Russia's voice.

[Nemo1024]

So the Western media pushes lies for half a year about Ukraine and it's fine. I make one mistake and it's propaganda? Sigh. I am not forcing you to read my finds. Some of the links I posted come from people intimately familiar with Moldova. I am not, and I said as much in one of my discussions with niothor. But from what I learn the strategy used to put a wedge into the country is disturbingly similar to the ones used in the Baltics, Ukraine, Egypt, Lybia, Syria...

By the way, will I stop being a "propaganda" if I start posting exclusively Romanian-sided views on Moldova and say that the Russian-speaking part of Moldovians (a couple of million people) can be disregarded and discarded? Will I suddenly become a good source of information then?

I want to be a good source of information so here goes: All Russians and Russian-speaking nationalities in Moldova must be deported, aAll Moldovans (at least the one worth keeping alive) want to join Romania. Romania was so good to Moldova  during WWII and provided all Moldovan Jews with food and free lodgings. Europe want Moldova to become a member state - that's what the Association is all about. Once Moldova is a part of EU all Moldovans will freely travel to Germany where they are eagerly awaited and get work for good wages. EU and IMF will give Moldova billions of € for reconstruction, completely free of any interest. The coming NATO bases will make Moldova super secure, it will not in any way affect the country if missile strikes are conducted from them against Russia.

Have I been a good student in not being "propaganda"?

[Balthazar]

Maybe it's not disqualifing you but surely disqualify as "propaganda" the reporting of Russian media who to support Kremlin-side put togheter false facts as well as one-side voices and do partial reporting. Maybe You cannot recognize this because you're acritically accepting Russia's voice.

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[Grand_Voyageur]

Nobody here ask for one-sided propaganga (Moldovan, Romanian or Russian notwithstanding). Sadly the news outlet you put here are only russian so you're acting only as a Russian-side voice. Is public domain that a lot of problems in the Region (Ukraine, Moldova, Crimea, etc.) came from Russian-speaking people there receiving their news only/mostly from Russian Federation news outlets.

[Grand_Voyageur]

Maybe it's not disqualifing you but surely disqualify as "propaganda" the reporting of Russian media who to support Kremlin-side put togheter false facts as well as one-side voices and do partial reporting. Maybe You cannot recognize this because you're acritically accepting Russia's voice.

Typical_Rude_Westerner.png

Tipical reply from a authoritariann govt supporter who lack arguments to respond to a critic.