Europe Needs to Embrace Islam - The New York Times

[Wilikon]

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/28/how-to-stop-radicalization-in-the-west/europe-needs-to-embrace-islam

[Watoshi-Dimobuto]

Europe needs to send this Muslims back to their homelands. It just a matter of time before they will become or support terrorists. No matter what you do to buy them, they are still terrorist.

[goxed]

guess the author's been smoking something spectacular.

[BasilHawkins]

guess the author's been smoking something spectacular.

She might be a muslim or she is paid by ISIS to write this article.

[Swordsoffreedom]

guess the author's been smoking something spectacular.

Well I want to know where she got some of that from  

Anyways thanks for the picture article saved some reading time, so basically Terrorist Islam is not all Islam
Normal Islam is ok but not exciting enough
Problem she asks we need a more radical ideology solution =  Bitcoiners and Cypherpunks  

Either that or assimilation, if they want to live by your ideals go back to your own country I guess.

[bryant.coleman]

Once the Muslims get to 25% to 30% of the population, then most of the remaining population will be converted to Islam by force.

Already more than 10% of the schoolchildren in the UK are Muslim. The figure gets to 15% in the Netherlands and 25% in France. I am not saying that it will be a sudden takeover, but gradually Muslims will rule all these countries. It will take some time. Can happen by 2100, if not 2050.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Once the Muslims get to 25% to 30% of the population, then most of the remaining population will be converted to Islam by force.

Already more than 10% of the schoolchildren in the UK are Muslim. The figure gets to 15% in the Netherlands and 25% in France. I am not saying that it will be a sudden takeover, but gradually Muslims will rule all these countries. It will take some time. Can happen by 2100, if not 2050.

Well since you brought up a diagram for England and the UK I have to joke a bit
It's already to late Bryant they have a porn ban in the UK what do they have to lose 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2013/07/22/seeks-automatic-blocks-online-porn/bBmAJ8KElAophEAwYu6LqJ/story.html

Although I'm not sure if Camerons porn filter is implemented yet, but it would be one step towards Islam in a sense that increasing censorship of all means of communication would occur in either governmental system.

[niothor]

Once the Muslims get to 25% to 30% of the population, then most of the remaining population will be converted to Islam by force.

Already more than 10% of the schoolchildren in the UK are Muslim. The figure gets to 15% in the Netherlands and 25% in France. I am not saying that it will be a sudden takeover, but gradually Muslims will rule all these countries. It will take some time. Can happen by 2100, if not 2050.

That graph says that the fertility rate for muslims will go down by 0.2 and the non muslim will increase by 0.1
So , your point is... that you can't read?

[311]

That graph says that the fertility rate for muslims will go down by 0.2 and the non muslim will increase by 0.1
So , your point is... that you can't read?

The point is he's a fool. I often laugh at his fearmongering and absoloute fear of Muslims. How the hell are they going to be forced to convert to Islam once they hit 25%? Have you just made that figure up? What absolute Islamaphobic nonsense.

[Ludi]

It needs embracing from both sides. People need to see it for what it is to most - a religion just like Christianity. Militant Muslims are a tiny fraction and don't represent the majority. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to spread fud quite frankly.

[madken7777]

guess the author's been smoking something spectacular.

The author is a liberal who see what she believe rather than facts.

One fact is clear, Muslim is not a peaceful religion and once they become a political force, they will demand the local to change the law to fit their need.

[Wilikon]

It needs embracing from both sides. People need to see it for what it is to most - a religion just like Christianity. Militant Muslims are a tiny fraction and don't represent the majority. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to spread fud quite frankly.

You have a point. It is time for Saudi Arabia to embrace the construction of christian churches, let their Christian Saudi brothers help out and have some kind of parity with the numbers of mosques in Europe... Saudis need to see Christianity for what it is to most - a religion just like islam.

 

[Spendulus]

guess the author's been smoking something spectacular.

The author is a liberal who see what she believe rather than facts.

One fact is clear, Muslim is not a peaceful religion and once they become a political force, they will demand the local to change the law to fit their need.

Her thinking is mush.  Consider the following excerpts:

In the West, Salafis incite people to withdraw from mainstream society, depicted as impure, in order to live by strict rules. These reactionary interpretations do contain similarities with jihadist discourse.

....political efforts are needed to put an end to the ‘ghettoization’ of Islam, which is often depicted as alien and incompatible with Western core liberal values

Well, she claims they withdrawn into their own little ghetto world by their own accord because Western is impure.  Then she complains that Islam is "often depicted as alien and incompatible with Western core liberal values?"

Well, that's because it says it is.  Duh...

[countryfree]

Someone to tell this woman that if European countries were to fully accept islam, she wouldn't be able to leave her home without wearing a veil. She believes muslims can accept democracy and an open society with competing religions, but that's a distant dream. It's already happening in France and Belgium, brothers are telling their sisters that they can't go out without a veil, and sometimes that they shouldn't go out at all.

I guess she wants the death of democracy and an end to all women's rights. Hey, why only in Europe? It could come in the US, too.

[arbitrage001]

Muslim can move to France and stay there.

They will be welcomed there with open arm.

[Divinespark]

Europe is utterly and completely doomed
Way way beyond redemption and the point of no return...

[umair127]

What this tells us is that terrorism has worked. Our elected "leaders", our military and our press are afraid to tell the truth about Islam for fear of the horrific consequences.

[Spendulus]

What this tells us is that terrorism has worked. Our elected "leaders", our military and our press are afraid to tell the truth about Islam for fear of the horrific consequences.

What it tells is that Obama has those fears.

[Swordsoffreedom]

What this tells us is that terrorism has worked. Our elected "leaders", our military and our press are afraid to tell the truth about Islam for fear of the horrific consequences.

Well on the other end you could do a Putin and say we will not cater to minorities at all but only to the majority of our people.
In other words Europe should not embrace Islam or Cater to Minorities.

On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

 ”In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live  in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need  minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.

The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

[bryant.coleman]

That graph says that the fertility rate for muslims will go down by 0.2 and the non muslim will increase by 0.1
So , your point is... that you can't read?

Listen, read my post completely first and then reply only after that. I don't have anymore time to waste for you. Since you can't refrain from using uncivil language, I am ignoring you from now on.

The points I made:

1. It will not be a sudden take-over.

As you can see from the graph, the Muslim TFR even in 2030 is much higher when compared to the non-Muslim population. There is not a single country in the world, where the Muslim birth rate is lower than the non-Muslim birth rate.