Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university

[Mr.Bitty]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/emma-sulkowicz-mattress-rape-columbia-university_n_5755612.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular&ir=Canada+Living
it's crazy


what do you think?

[Mr.Bitty]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

[zolace]

I don't understand why any crime isn't handled by the local police. The university can do what it wants with a student who's accused of or found guilty of a crime. But the crime itself should be handled by the police, not the university.

[sana8410]

The fact that sexual assaults are regularly swept under the rug in an attempt to protect the reputation of the university is just another glaring example of what's wrong with the institution of higher education.

[Bonam]

Not sure why the victims in question would go to the university rather than to the police. Rape is (obviously) a serious crime and should be reported to the appropriate authorities, not to university administrators.

[Rigon]

University police forces should only be in charge of apprehending plagiarists, food fight instigators, and perhaps bike thieves. Matters of assault should be handled by real police forces who use real court rooms. Rapists shouldn't be expelled. They should be incarcerated.

[noviapriani]

As a parent, I appreciate the media coverage this performance art is getting. Parents need to get involved in this issue. Learning about how sexual assault is handled at schools under consideration is a way to start putting pressure on the administrations. www.keephersafe.org is helping harness the purchasing power of parents to make campuses safe for women by providing guidance with a Parent Tool Kit. This kind of widely promoted action is truly helpful.

[TheButterZone]

Rapists should be shot in self-defense. Good for rapists and other violent criminals, most colleges and universities ban self-defense.

[Lethn]

I don't understand why any crime isn't handled by the local police. The university can do what it wants with a student who's accused of or found guilty of a crime. But the crime itself should be handled by the police, not the university.

They clearly have way too much power in the U.S, I'll need to double check this but I'm pretty sure in the UK if something like this happened the police would tell the universities to go fuck themselves and hand over any evidence they have, even institutions like the BBC haven't been safe because they've recently uncovered lots of paedophile cases in the organisation.

[koshgel]

Ridiculous how the guy has raped multiple women but he still remains on campus with no disciplinary action taken against him. I could not stand to be on the same campus as someone who violated me like that. It would take all my willpower to not stab that fucker in the face.

As for carrying around the mattress, anything that helps gain exposure to what happened will help prevent future sexual assaults.

[Lethn]

One thing I've noticed when it comes to schools is that teachers only care about how their childrens' grades look and how the government sees their schools, doesn't matter what age they're teaching, I think people are right in that they're likely trying to cover it up instead of come clean because they're worried about reputation, unfortunately this kind of thing isn't new, I remember hearing awhile back about child molestation cases and such in the U.S too or something similar.

[peeveepee]

One thing I've noticed when it comes to schools is that teachers only care about how their childrens' grades look and how the government sees their schools, doesn't matter what age they're teaching, I think people are right in that they're likely trying to cover it up instead of come clean because they're worried about reputation, unfortunately this kind of thing isn't new, I remember hearing awhile back about child molestation cases and such in the U.S too or something similar.

Too much money is at stake for tarnishing the university reputation. Reason why the university will do everything in its power to dismiss and settle any allegation related to rape.

[niothor]

The first thing I thought about when reading the first phrases of the article was something like ....Is she carrying that mattress around to make the job easier for the rapist next time? Or to get raped comfortably in the yard or on the hallways ?

[marcoman22]

university need to do strict action or otherwise it will put a bad name.

[twister]

Rapists should be executed, instead of carrying a mattress, she should buy a gun and shoot the asshole in his fkin head!! 

[TheButterZone]

Rapists should be executed, instead of carrying a mattress, she should buy a gun and shoot the asshole in his fkin head!! 

Good for rapists and other violent criminals, most colleges and universities ban self-defense.

[EternalWingsofGod]

I'll be honest I thought it was a protest about the lack of places to relax and wind down at universities
Seats everywhere but nowhere to lay down and take a nap so the mattress would make perfect sense ^^
From the Article headline here lol

After reading it guess univeristies have their perks lol...

[herebittybittybitty]

Good for her... I support her protest and I hope the guy is held accountable.

[itsAj]

I don't understand why any crime isn't handled by the local police. The university can do what it wants with a student who's accused of or found guilty of a crime. But the crime itself should be handled by the police, not the university.

Most universities have their own campus police that have jurisdiction over the campus. I believe that local police also have jurisdiction but rarely get involved. The school has a conflict of interest of wanting to make it look like as few sexual assaults (and rapes) happen as possible to give the appearance of the campus being safe to attract more students (and federal funds that are based on enrollment).

[umair127]

An even better piece would be her wearing a sign around her neck with the persons name and picture, saying the guy raped her, that way everyone knows who the person is, if the school isn’t going to do anything she might as well let everyone know who did it .

[latinna]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

[umair127]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

[zolace]

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.

[latinna]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

From what I know of the case, I disagree with the verdict. That is having no personal knowledge of the young woman involved, and that is not ever having been subject to anal rape myself.

I suspect that to have endured those things, just to get mistreated by law enforcement then dismissed by school officials prompts one to feel something more passionate than "disagreement".

[sana8410]

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.

Standard of proof is too high in court. Rape victims don't want to go through months of reliving the encounter in court being forced to face their assailant only for him to ultimately be found not guilty due to a lack of evidence, a verdict that is then held over the rape victim by a society that likes to imagine that girls always "lie" about being raped.

[Rigon]

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.

I have to agree with this. I'm out of touch with this topic. Why isn't this a police/court thing rather than a university thing?

[sana8410]

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.

I have to agree with this. I'm out of touch with this topic. Why isn't this a police/court thing rather than a university thing?

Without hard evidence, there won't be a conviction. There almost always needs to be documented signs of forced penetration. Girls need to go to a hospital immediately after being raped to get their injuries documented. Most don't do this because they're scared, embarrassed, blaming themselves, etc. The overwhelming majority of rape victims are raped by guys who are close to them, which is why rape victims tend to blame themselves, assuming they must have given their friend a mixed signal or some such. By the time they realize it wasn't just some innocent mistake or anything like that, that they were assaulted and raped, it's too late to get the ball rolling. They'll have to deal with responding to why they waited so long to report it, why they didn't go to a hospital, why they may have called or seen their rapist the next day, etc. Ultimately, they're not going to satisfy the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of proof.

[PeanutCoins]

Remorseful slam-pig trying to gain college credit in an art class by dragging a mattress around campus re-telling her 2 year old tale of regretful woe. I hope she gets an "F" for her effort. This is why many college degrees are now deemed worthless.

You don't just get anally raped in your own dorm room on your own mattress like a bolt out of the blue. Unless there was a break-in, and a trip to the student clinic after the assault for treatment to her ravaged ass.

There was either some significant complicity here, the dude was hung like a pencil, she had a very loose anal spinkter from previous anal intrusions, and/or we are definitely not getting the whole story.

[Rigon]

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.

I have to agree with this. I'm out of touch with this topic. Why isn't this a police/court thing rather than a university thing?

Without hard evidence, there won't be a conviction. There almost always needs to be documented signs of forced penetration. Girls need to go to a hospital immediately after being raped to get their injuries documented. Most don't do this because they're scared, embarrassed, blaming themselves, etc. The overwhelming majority of rape victims are raped by guys who are close to them, which is why rape victims tend to blame themselves, assuming they must have given their friend a mixed signal or some such. By the time they realize it wasn't just some innocent mistake or anything like that, that they were assaulted and raped, it's too late to get the ball rolling. They'll have to deal with responding to why they waited so long to report it, why they didn't go to a hospital, why they may have called or seen their rapist the next day, etc. Ultimately, they're not going to satisfy the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of proof.

Honestly, nothing you are saying here changes my opinion. Yes, all the normal things need to be done. You have to go to the hospital, which you should do anyway to ensure you aren't injured more than you think you are, and to be tested for all the possible communicable diseases that are out there. I understand it's difficult, embarrassing, and all that. It's the price that has to be paid to live in a (fairly) civilized country.

[sana8410]

I'm not suggesting that should be enough to land a conviction. It shouldn't. The deck is already stacked against defendants as it is. I don't think making it easier to convict people would be a step in the right direction. I think first acknowledging that we live in a rape culture and then addressing that problem by creating an environment in which girls can talk about being victimized without everyone immediately assuming they're lying would be a better direction.

[BitCoinNutJob]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/emma-sulkowicz-mattress-rape-columbia-university_n_5755612.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular&ir=Canada+Living
it's crazy


what do you think?

Seems like an attention seeker at first glance im just not feeling her pain.  Shes a visual arts student so i guess this is her way of expressing.  If she really was concerned about the  attacker on campus would she stay there and also if she was raped would she stay there?  People deal with things differently i guess.

[PeanutCoins]

I'm not suggesting that should be enough to land a conviction. It shouldn't. The deck is already stacked against defendants as it is. I don't think making it easier to convict people would be a step in the right direction. I think first acknowledging that we live in a rape culture and then addressing that problem by creating an environment in which girls can talk about being victimized without everyone immediately assuming they're lying would be a better direction.

Anal rape is not a normal extension of we were messing around, we both got naked, things went a little too far and he got the wrong idea. Anal intercourse, at lease between heterosexuals, is not a casual thing.

[zolace]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

This contention leads me to believe that you didn't read anything about the issue before posting it. The metaphor of the mattress itself has nothing to do with "Justice". it has to do with exactly what you are accusing her of not focusing on: the emotional trauma and burdens that accompany being raped.

[Rigon]

I'm not suggesting that should be enough to land a conviction. It shouldn't. The deck is already stacked against defendants as it is. I don't think making it easier to convict people would be a step in the right direction. I think first acknowledging that we live in a rape culture and then addressing that problem by creating an environment in which girls can talk about being victimized without everyone immediately assuming they're lying would be a better direction.

One that believes people are innocent until proven guilty. But to NOT do that invites the sick fuck rapist to do it again and again.

That's the reality. I'm not suggesting it's easy, but I am saying it's a necessary hardship for a civilized community.

[zolace]

in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.

[umair127]

in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.

If you read the same article I did, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion, even though the college administration is apparently incompetent with its records and the same guy was accused of assault by other women, that the guy that needs defending? Since 'the guy' apparently got away with multiple sexual assaults, I don't think he needs speaking up for. The term rapist is far from below the belt.

[zolace]

in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.

If you read the same article I did, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion, even though the college administration is apparently incompetent with its records and the same guy was accused of assault by other women, that the guy that needs defending? Since 'the guy' apparently got away with multiple sexual assaults, I don't think he needs speaking up for. The term rapist is far from below the belt.

I take most stories coming out of Columbia with a grain of salt. It is known for being pretty wild in the dorms. They have had a very open co-ed dorm policy since 2010. Guys and gals can bunk up together in the same dorm room (sophomore year or later).

When I was in college, I made the mistake of dating 3 girls from the same dorm. One day I walked in to pick one up, and all 3 were sitting together by the reception desk. I turned around and walked off. Never again. Had they wanted to be assholes, I could have easily been brought up on 3 charges of sexual assault.

[Mr.Bitty]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

It happens, it does. This kind of shit is a third wave feminism victim tactic.

I've attended multiple TBTN events and around half of the stories start with "I was getting drunk at a party, don’t remember a lot, but..." or "I was stripping as a source of income and got sold into a human trafficking ring..."

[Mr.Bitty]

Around one quarter were unrapable girls who got touched in their naughty place by desperate men and they called it rape for attention.

The rest experienced something someone could reasonably consider traumatic rape to a sane individual. However, the majority of these were by a father/uncle/brother figure and not on a college campus.

[zolace]

Rape is not something that should be taken on someones word only. Absent other than circumstantial evidence, tough shit. Get the DNA evidence, physical evidence, an eye witness or get over yourself.

So you had sex with a guy who said he loved you and never called you back, or you found out he had sex with 2 other girls and you weren't the "special" one, or he bragged to someone else you gave up the booty on your own mattress.

Geez, stupidity and victimhood is boundless. Get on with life. Stop dragging your stained mattress around.

[umair127]

I think college rape is a very serious issue that tends to get downplayed by universities so that their reputations don't suffer, and thus victims are often forced to suffer in silence and live with the injustice. I find her project to be a very creative and apt metaphor for what these victims must be going through.

I predict she will stop it soon on her own.She's focusing on the justice (where she disagreed with the verdict on the rape charge), not the actual long lasting trauma that rape victims usually endure with or without the alleged rapists being punished. In other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

This contention leads me to believe that you didn't read anything about the issue before posting it. The metaphor of the mattress itself has nothing to do with "Justice". it has to do with exactly what you are accusing her of not focusing on: the emotional trauma and burdens that accompany being raped.

i dont think you understood what i said before posting.
it's not exactly rocket science to understand that the mattress was a symbol of her trauma. but the way she presented it, it's all about her blackmailing the school for justice. if she said that "this is the burden i have to carry every waking minute after being rape, period" and let the public opinion take its course, then she would have my support. however, adding the demand of "Columbia, expel him, or i will air this dirty laundry everywhere to shame you", she sounds like a little kid throwing a tantrum in the supermarket.

[zolace]

"Hi, I couldn't help but notice that you are dragging a mattress around campus. Did you get kicked out of your dorm? Are you moving?"

"No, I'm not moving and I did not get kicked out of my dorm. My name is Emma Sulkowicz and I'm dragging this mattress around as my senior art project. When I was a sophomore I was anally raped on this mattress in my dorm room. I'm a senior now, and as expression of my art, I intend to drag this mattress everywhere with me until the guy who raped me 2 years ago is kicked out of school, or I graduate, whichever comes first."

"Uh, OK. Good luck, Emma. Looks like it's going to rain. Could I get you a tarp or something?

[umair127]

in other word, or in her words, as soon as the alleged rapist is expelled or her justice is served, all those psychological burdens will just all of a sudden disappear.

I wouldn't view it as that. I would imagine that justice for the crime, or knowing that her rapist can't harass her anymore, is one of the first steps in the healing process. Unless you think she has just been faking panic attacks when her rapist is around.

If you read the same article I did, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion, even though the college administration is apparently incompetent with its records and the same guy was accused of assault by other women, that the guy that needs defending? Since 'the guy' apparently got away with multiple sexual assaults, I don't think he needs speaking up for. The term rapist is far from below the belt.

I take most stories coming out of Columbia with a grain of salt. It is known for being pretty wild in the dorms. They have had a very open co-ed dorm policy since 2010. Guys and gals can bunk up together in the same dorm room (sophomore year or later).

When I was in college, I made the mistake of dating 3 girls from the same dorm. One day I walked in to pick one up, and all 3 were sitting together by the reception desk. I turned around and walked off. Never again. Had they wanted to be assholes, I could have easily been brought up on 3 charges of sexual assault.

Beware tales of rape from the land of wild dorms, where wild things like rape can happen. After all, when I was in college, I dated three whores, and any one of them could have turned me in for rape had they decided to be bitches about it.

Look, they're whores in Whoreville. They can't really say no anyway, so what's the big deal. These whores could ruin a real life here if taken too seriously.

[noviapriani]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

[PeanutCoins]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

[noviapriani]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

lets be blunt: you are young and pretty and wear revealing clothing and then walk into a party where booze is flowing and teen age guys are looking to get laid.

There is culpability there.

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

You are, as an idiot, living in some sort of false utopia where criminals do not exist and crimes are not committed and therefor it is un-necessary to take preventative measures to minimize the potential of becoming a victim.

Rape is not ok under any circumstances, neither is assault, battery, robbery, burglary nor murder. In the real world, all these crimes exist and the perpetrators live amongst us.

[PeanutCoins]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

lets be blunt: you are young and pretty and wear revealing clothing and then walk into a party where booze is flowing and teen age guys are looking to get laid.

There is culpability there.

Yeah that's why we charge the young and pretty with wearing revealing clothing where booze is flowing and teen age guys are looking to get laid. First degree asking for it. See it on judge tv all the time.

[Rigon]

You don't leave your car parked on the street unlocked. You don't leave your home with the doors and windows open, why then, as a woman, would you not exercise a modicum of common sense and not at least take measures, depending upon the situation, to protect against the unwanted manipulation of your Vayjayjay or ass?


In reality

[PeanutCoins]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

You are, as an idiot, living in some sort of false utopia where criminals do not exist and crimes are not committed and therefor it is un-necessary to take preventative measures to minimize the potential of becoming a victim.

Rape is not ok under any circumstances, neither is assault, battery, robbery, burglary nor murder. In the real world, all these crimes exist and the perpetrators live amongst us.

All that shit and still you're just blaming the victim because it's easier than admitting you view pussy as an object that just happens to be attached to another human being.

[latinna]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

You are, as an idiot, living in some sort of false utopia where criminals do not exist and crimes are not committed and therefor it is un-necessary to take preventative measures to minimize the potential of becoming a victim.

Rape is not ok under any circumstances, neither is assault, battery, robbery, burglary nor murder. In the real world, all these crimes exist and the perpetrators live amongst us.

All that shit and still you're just blaming the victim because it's easier than admitting you view pussy as an object that just happens to be attached to another human being.

It's funny. I was going to make a comment about objectification, and I just dismissed the idea because I didn't think either of them would understand.

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

You are, as an idiot, living in some sort of false utopia where criminals do not exist and crimes are not committed and therefor it is un-necessary to take preventative measures to minimize the potential of becoming a victim.

Rape is not ok under any circumstances, neither is assault, battery, robbery, burglary nor murder. In the real world, all these crimes exist and the perpetrators live amongst us.

All that shit and still you're just blaming the victim because it's easier than admitting you view pussy as an object that just happens to be attached to another human being.

Are you are still wanting to just blame the man when both parties actions may have led up to the eventual outcome? I have had enough drunk fucks in my life to realize it often takes both participants to get to the point of making the beast with two backs, and later remorse by one of the parties should be just that. Remorse and not a rape charge.

[hackjack]

She waited almost a year from the alleged rape to report it. If what she said happened actually happened then it was rape no question, but by waiting that long it is just her word versus his.

Without evidence I'm not sure what you think the school or authorities can/should do. That's honestly the problem; it's hard for authorities to distinguish between rape and consensual sex in cases like this especially where consensual sex had occurred in the past and in this case where the rape started out as consensual sex.

There's really no laws that will change this, it has to be a change in behavior.

[PeanutCoins]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

You are, as an idiot, living in some sort of false utopia where criminals do not exist and crimes are not committed and therefor it is un-necessary to take preventative measures to minimize the potential of becoming a victim.

Rape is not ok under any circumstances, neither is assault, battery, robbery, burglary nor murder. In the real world, all these crimes exist and the perpetrators live amongst us.

All that shit and still you're just blaming the victim because it's easier than admitting you view pussy as an object that just happens to be attached to another human being.

Are you are still wanting to just blame the man when both parties actions may have led up to the eventual outcome? I have had enough drunk fucks in my life to realize it often takes both participants to get to the point of making the beast with two backs, and later remorse by one of the parties should be just that. Remorse and not a rape charge.

Yes, I'm blaming the rapist for the rape. Mostly because rape is a crime, as opposed to an unfortunate crossroads of a guy is horny and a woman made it too easy for him not to rape her.

[hackjack]

Sorry. Her story didn't sell. It didn't sell to the campus police (most of which are retired police from other jurisdictions). It also didn't sell to the NYPD, who also investigated her case (and the other 2 collaborating stories). Poor victim. Maybe in solidarity, you should help her drag her mattress around for awhile....

[noviapriani]

She waited almost a year from the alleged rape to report it. If what she said happened actually happened then it was rape no question, but by waiting that long it is just her word versus his.

Without evidence I'm not sure what you think the school or authorities can/should do. That's honestly the problem; it's hard for authorities to distinguish between rape and consensual sex in cases like this especially where consensual sex had occurred in the past and in this case where the rape started out as consensual sex.

There's really no laws that will change this, it has to be a change in behavior.

What makes you think people are looking for the school or authorities to do anything? In general, people are pointing out that a couple of posters here are idiots for their AQ like world view.

[hackjack]

She waited almost a year from the alleged rape to report it. If what she said happened actually happened then it was rape no question, but by waiting that long it is just her word versus his.

Without evidence I'm not sure what you think the school or authorities can/should do. That's honestly the problem; it's hard for authorities to distinguish between rape and consensual sex in cases like this especially where consensual sex had occurred in the past and in this case where the rape started out as consensual sex.

There's really no laws that will change this, it has to be a change in behavior.

What makes you think people are looking for the school or authorities to do anything? In general, people are pointing out that a couple of posters here are idiots for their AQ like world view.

Oh, carry on then.

[noviapriani]

She waited almost a year from the alleged rape to report it. If what she said happened actually happened then it was rape no question, but by waiting that long it is just her word versus his.

Without evidence I'm not sure what you think the school or authorities can/should do. That's honestly the problem; it's hard for authorities to distinguish between rape and consensual sex in cases like this especially where consensual sex had occurred in the past and in this case where the rape started out as consensual sex.

There's really no laws that will change this, it has to be a change in behavior.

Yeah we can't do anything about it, so let's just hope behaviors change. Maybe fucking will go out if style in the near future, and then men can finally focus on the inhumanity of shoving things inside people who don't want things shoved inside them.

[latinna]

Sorry. Her story didn't sell. It didn't sell to the campus police (most of which are retired police from other jurisdictions). It also didn't sell to the NYPD, who also investigated her case (and the other 2 collaborating stories). Poor victim. Maybe in solidarity, you should help her drag her mattress around for awhile....

The inability to prosecute doesn't mean three people lied about what happened to them, idiot.

[hackjack]

Sorry. Her story didn't sell. It didn't sell to the campus police (most of which are retired police from other jurisdictions). It also didn't sell to the NYPD, who also investigated her case (and the other 2 collaborating stories). Poor victim. Maybe in solidarity, you should help her drag her mattress around for awhile....

The inability to prosecute doesn't mean three people lied about what happened to them, idiot.

Innocent until proven guilty. How does that work?

A police officer was patrolling the highway when he sees a guy tied up to a tree, crying. The officer stops and approaches the guy. "Whats going on here?", he asks. The guy sobs, "I was driving and picked up a hitchhiker. He pulled a gun on me, robbed me, took all my money, my clothes, my car and then tied me up." The cop studied the guy for a moment, and then pulled down his pants and whipped out his dick. "I guess this isn't your lucky day, pal!"

[awesome31312]

Please urge Columbia to address this issue. They will not talk to the press about it in fear of tarnishing their 250 year old reputation, but it's going to fall harder if We, the People, can make it an issue. Let's succeed where the mainstream media has failed.


Their Facebook page:
http://facebook.com/columbia

Write a review using your Google account:
https://plus.google.com/103938952534588598709/about?hl=en&review=1

Please do NOT let this go!! They are quite powerful, and their $$$ can "convince" the media to let this issue slide, but we must not! It is our moral duty to take action!

[sana8410]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

[sana8410]

In other words, the woman must have wanted it or precipitated the violation on some level, because the idea of being so utterly powerless as to stop someone from penetrating you is so threatening that most males cannot conceive of finding themselves in such a situation. It doesn't even occur to them that the victim wouldn't have taken every precaution possible, up to and including not making oneself attractive, to avoid being violated, because most males would if they thought violation was possible.

[awesome31312]

To those saying she is faking it or she wasn't really raped or this and that, you should know that Columbia has taken NO action whatsoever against the rapist, no investigation, despite there being reports of three other women being serially raped by this privileged student.

In other words, the woman must have wanted it or precipitated the violation on some level, because the idea of being so utterly powerless as to stop someone from penetrating you is so threatening that most males cannot conceive of finding themselves in such a situation. It doesn't even occur to them that the victim wouldn't have taken every precaution possible, up to and including not making oneself attractive, to avoid being violated, because most males would if they thought violation was possible.

Rape apologist

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

[sana8410]

To those saying she is faking it or she wasn't really raped or this and that, you should know that Columbia has taken NO action whatsoever against the rapist, no investigation, despite there being reports of three other women being serially raped by this privileged student.

In other words, the woman must have wanted it or precipitated the violation on some level, because the idea of being so utterly powerless as to stop someone from penetrating you is so threatening that most males cannot conceive of finding themselves in such a situation. It doesn't even occur to them that the victim wouldn't have taken every precaution possible, up to and including not making oneself attractive, to avoid being violated, because most males would if they thought violation was possible.

Rape apologist

I didn't said that she fake it ,i was saying that on this planet exist "the woman must have wanted it"

[sana8410]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

In this thread you admit you cannot have sex with women unless you pay them ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi2Yqcm78sY

[umair127]

what do you think of this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/-sp-campus-rape-prevention-yes-means-yes

While most students at Columbia University will spend the first day of classes carrying backpacks and books, Emma Sulkowicz will start her semester on Tuesday with a far heavier burden. The senior plans on carrying an extra-long, twin-size mattress across the quad and through each New York City building – to every class, every day – until the man she says raped her moves off campus.
“I was raped in my own bed,” Sulkowicz told me the other day, as she was gearing up to head back to school in this, the year American colleges are finally, supposedly, ready to do something about sexual assault. “I could have taken my pillow, but I want people to see how it weighs down a person to be ignored by the school administration and harassed by police.”
Sulkowicz is one of three women who made complaints to Columbia against the same fellow senior, who was found “not responsible” in all three cases. She also filed a police report, but Sulkowicz was treated abysmally – by the cops, and by a Columbia disciplinary panel so uneducated about the scourge of campus violence that one panelist asked how it was possible to be anally raped without lubrication.
Apparently even an Ivy League school still doesn’t understand the old adage of “no means no”.
So Sulkowicz joined a federal complaint in April over Columbia’s mishandling of sexual misconduct cases, and she will will hoist that mattress on her shoulders as part savvy activism, part performance art. “The administration can end the piece, by expelling him,” she says, “or he can, by leaving campus.”
Her performance may be singular, but the deep frustration voiced by Sulkowicz is being echoed by survivors across the United States. Despite increased efforts to curb campus assault and hold schools accountable – the FBI has changed its once-archaic definition of rape, a new White House task force wants answers, and schools like Harvard and Dartmouth have promised new policies – the nation’s university administrators are still failing young people in their care. In the last year alone, 67 schools have had students file federal complaints accusing their own colleges of violating the Clery Act or Title IX.
With the start of school underway, however, the biggest paradigm shift on rape and sexual consent in decades may just now be emerging in California, where “yes means yes” – a model for reform that feminists like me have been pushing for years – could soon become law.
Late last week, the first state bill to require colleges to adopt an “affirmative consent” model in their sexual assault policies passed the California senate unanimously. The legislation, which is headed to Governor Jerry Brown’s desk for approval by the end of this month (his office declined to comment), effectively requires the presence of a “yes” rather than the absence of a “no” – or else withholds funding from the nation’s largest state school system.

    Verbal consent is best: easier to avoid the 'he said, she said' college administrators try to make rape cases out to be
    Sofie Karasek, senior, UC-Berkeley

The legislation additionally clarifies that affirmative consent means both parties must be awake, conscious and not incapacitated from alcohol or drugs – and that past sexual encounters or a romantic relationship doesn’t imply consent. The California bill also, importantly, specifies that “lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent”.
It seems like a no-brainer to only have sex with conscious and enthusiastic partners, but detractors say the standard “micromanages” sexuality. The truth is that a “yes means yes” policy “helps to create a shared responsibility, instead of the responsibility falling on women to say ‘no’,” says Tracey Vitchers, chair of the board at Safer (Students Active for Ending Rape). Anti-violence activists are clearly excited about the bill, which – if all goes well – could be adopted by more states with large public university systems.
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Sofie Karasek, a senior at the University of California at Berkeley and co-founder of End Rape on Campus, also supports the new bill. Like Sulkowicz at Columbia, Karasek filed a federal complaint after she said Berkeley didn’t take sufficient action after she reported a sexual assault. As her first week back on campus was winding down on Friday, Karasek told me she thinks the California model has “created an important conversation about consent in the media and public, and I think with affirmative consent, more students will be talking about it as well.”
Indeed, a lot of students – male students, included – already are. Gray Williams, a senior at University of North Carolina at Greensboro, says he likes the “yes means yes” standard. “It’s not that big of a deal, and I appreciate having an unambiguous ‘yes’ or ‘no’ instead of having to read her body language,” he told me. Roo George-Warren, a recent graduate of Vanderbilt University, thinks some young men might be skeptical, but he insists part of the problem is that the “discourse around consent in day-to-day conversation is so unsophisticated.”
And this is what makes the legislation so important for colleges: mandating “yes means yes” in sexual assault policy puts the onus on colleges to give comprehensive consent education. If students are to abide by that standard, they need to know what it means.
So California could lead the way in redefining how we think about sexual consent. But as promising as this overdue measure may be, state legislatures and university administrators alike need to make sure they’re being as thorough as possible in this moment when real reform, for once, doesn’t seem impossible. The legislation doesn’t clearly specify whether affirmative consent means verbal or nonverbal communication. Do students need to say “yes”? Or is clear body language sufficient?
Should Gov Brown sign “yes means yes” into law, I agree with Slate writer Amanda Hess, who believes the standard going forward should itself be more sophisticated and include nonverbal cues – not just because they present a more realistic vision of how we experience sex, but because we need to talk about body language that can mean “no” as well:

    If we can admit that enthusiastic consent is often communicated in body language or knowing looks, then we must also accept that the lack of consent doesn’t always manifest itself in a shouted ‘no’ or ‘stop,’ either. It shouldn’t be the sole responsibility of the uninterested party to speak up during a sexual encounter.

[umair127]

At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.

[awesome31312]

what do you think of this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/-sp-campus-rape-prevention-yes-means-yes

While most students at Columbia University will spend the first day of classes carrying backpacks and books, Emma Sulkowicz will start her semester on Tuesday with a far heavier burden. The senior plans on carrying an extra-long, twin-size mattress across the quad and through each New York City building – to every class, every day – until the man she says raped her moves off campus.
“I was raped in my own bed,” Sulkowicz told me the other day, as she was gearing up to head back to school in this, the year American colleges are finally, supposedly, ready to do something about sexual assault. “I could have taken my pillow, but I want people to see how it weighs down a person to be ignored by the school administration and harassed by police.”
Sulkowicz is one of three women who made complaints to Columbia against the same fellow senior, who was found “not responsible” in all three cases. She also filed a police report, but Sulkowicz was treated abysmally – by the cops, and by a Columbia disciplinary panel so uneducated about the scourge of campus violence that one panelist asked how it was possible to be anally raped without lubrication.
Apparently even an Ivy League school still doesn’t understand the old adage of “no means no”.
So Sulkowicz joined a federal complaint in April over Columbia’s mishandling of sexual misconduct cases, and she will will hoist that mattress on her shoulders as part savvy activism, part performance art. “The administration can end the piece, by expelling him,” she says, “or he can, by leaving campus.”
Her performance may be singular, but the deep frustration voiced by Sulkowicz is being echoed by survivors across the United States. Despite increased efforts to curb campus assault and hold schools accountable – the FBI has changed its once-archaic definition of rape, a new White House task force wants answers, and schools like Harvard and Dartmouth have promised new policies – the nation’s university administrators are still failing young people in their care. In the last year alone, 67 schools have had students file federal complaints accusing their own colleges of violating the Clery Act or Title IX.
With the start of school underway, however, the biggest paradigm shift on rape and sexual consent in decades may just now be emerging in California, where “yes means yes” – a model for reform that feminists like me have been pushing for years – could soon become law.
Late last week, the first state bill to require colleges to adopt an “affirmative consent” model in their sexual assault policies passed the California senate unanimously. The legislation, which is headed to Governor Jerry Brown’s desk for approval by the end of this month (his office declined to comment), effectively requires the presence of a “yes” rather than the absence of a “no” – or else withholds funding from the nation’s largest state school system.

    Verbal consent is best: easier to avoid the 'he said, she said' college administrators try to make rape cases out to be
    Sofie Karasek, senior, UC-Berkeley

The legislation additionally clarifies that affirmative consent means both parties must be awake, conscious and not incapacitated from alcohol or drugs – and that past sexual encounters or a romantic relationship doesn’t imply consent. The California bill also, importantly, specifies that “lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent”.
It seems like a no-brainer to only have sex with conscious and enthusiastic partners, but detractors say the standard “micromanages” sexuality. The truth is that a “yes means yes” policy “helps to create a shared responsibility, instead of the responsibility falling on women to say ‘no’,” says Tracey Vitchers, chair of the board at Safer (Students Active for Ending Rape). Anti-violence activists are clearly excited about the bill, which – if all goes well – could be adopted by more states with large public university systems.
Advertisement

Sofie Karasek, a senior at the University of California at Berkeley and co-founder of End Rape on Campus, also supports the new bill. Like Sulkowicz at Columbia, Karasek filed a federal complaint after she said Berkeley didn’t take sufficient action after she reported a sexual assault. As her first week back on campus was winding down on Friday, Karasek told me she thinks the California model has “created an important conversation about consent in the media and public, and I think with affirmative consent, more students will be talking about it as well.”
Indeed, a lot of students – male students, included – already are. Gray Williams, a senior at University of North Carolina at Greensboro, says he likes the “yes means yes” standard. “It’s not that big of a deal, and I appreciate having an unambiguous ‘yes’ or ‘no’ instead of having to read her body language,” he told me. Roo George-Warren, a recent graduate of Vanderbilt University, thinks some young men might be skeptical, but he insists part of the problem is that the “discourse around consent in day-to-day conversation is so unsophisticated.”
And this is what makes the legislation so important for colleges: mandating “yes means yes” in sexual assault policy puts the onus on colleges to give comprehensive consent education. If students are to abide by that standard, they need to know what it means.
So California could lead the way in redefining how we think about sexual consent. But as promising as this overdue measure may be, state legislatures and university administrators alike need to make sure they’re being as thorough as possible in this moment when real reform, for once, doesn’t seem impossible. The legislation doesn’t clearly specify whether affirmative consent means verbal or nonverbal communication. Do students need to say “yes”? Or is clear body language sufficient?
Should Gov Brown sign “yes means yes” into law, I agree with Slate writer Amanda Hess, who believes the standard going forward should itself be more sophisticated and include nonverbal cues – not just because they present a more realistic vision of how we experience sex, but because we need to talk about body language that can mean “no” as well:

    If we can admit that enthusiastic consent is often communicated in body language or knowing looks, then we must also accept that the lack of consent doesn’t always manifest itself in a shouted ‘no’ or ‘stop,’ either. It shouldn’t be the sole responsibility of the uninterested party to speak up during a sexual encounter.

That was the article that introduced me to the Columbia rape scandal.


Did you know that the staff actually asked her if the rapist used lubricant? Absolutely disgusting

[noviapriani]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Yeah, cause all those women who are "escorts"... they went into the sex trade willingly, eyes wide open.

It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.

[sana8410]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

In this thread you admit you cannot have sex with women unless you pay them ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi2Yqcm78sY

Face it, all men pay women for sex. Some, like me, pay with cash. Others use barter goods such as food, shelter and clothing. Many additionally pay with their dreams and souls. others are ordered by courts to continue to pay for sex long after the woman and sex are gone.

Cash is king. You only pay for what you need, when you need it.

[Rigon]

At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.

If people were to actually go along with this, it would finally legislate abstention. And probably no sex after marriage either. It's an impossible standard in the real world. Only an idiot would vote for it, so it has a reasonable chance to pass in California.

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Yeah, cause all those women who are "escorts"... they went into the sex trade willingly, eyes wide open.

It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.

[sana8410]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Yeah, cause all those women who are "escorts"... they went into the sex trade willingly, eyes wide open.

It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.

Rather limited, puritanical perspective you have going there. Do you ever dine out or go out for drinks? Do you think all waitresses and bartenders went into their trade willingly? It's a job. They too are service workers and are paid well (at least when I tip them) to keep their emotional baggage away from their work and me.

[sana8410]

Personal service work is not for the whiny ones, escorts, bartenders and waitresses included, amongst many others.Whiners don't last long in any service trade.

[Bonam]

Carrying a mattress around constantly just seems like too much work. This woman should be talking to police, and, if they ignore her, keep going to higher levels of authority. I am sure there are plenty of organizations that would be interested in investigating why certain police forces ignore serial rapists in their jurisdiction.

Is there any information about whether any authorities outside of campus have even been contacted about this issue?

[awesome31312]

Carrying a mattress around constantly just seems like too much work. This woman should be talking to police, and, if they ignore her, keep going to higher levels of authority. I am sure there are plenty of organizations that would be interested in investigating why certain police forces ignore serial rapists in their jurisdiction.

Is there any information about whether any authorities outside of campus have even been contacted about this issue?

Right now, only the press cares.

[umair127]

At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.

If people were to actually go along with this, it would finally legislate abstention. And probably no sex after marriage either. It's an impossible standard in the real world. Only an idiot would vote for it, so it has a reasonable chance to pass in California.

Women might be forced into actually having a rational conversation about sex. Or probably not, and vibrator stores would be swarmed.

[Rigon]

At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.

If people were to actually go along with this, it would finally legislate abstention. And probably no sex after marriage either. It's an impossible standard in the real world. Only an idiot would vote for it, so it has a reasonable chance to pass in California.

Women might be forced into actually having a rational conversation about sex. Or probably not, and vibrator stores would be swarmed.

I'm thinking there is no guy on the planet, who is about to get some nooky, that will stop and say "hey honey, I need your permission to have sex. You ok with that?" It sort of spoils the mood, especially the part where you get her to sign the preprinted form letter.

[Rigon]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Yeah, cause all those women who are "escorts"... they went into the sex trade willingly, eyes wide open.

It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.

Rather limited, puritanical perspective you have going there. Do you ever dine out or go out for drinks? Do you think all waitresses and bartenders went into their trade willingly? It's a job. They too are service workers and are paid well (at least when I tip them) to keep their emotional baggage away from their work and me.

The Puritanical worldview is the one that condemns sex work as fundamentally sexually immoral. I do no such thing. But I do despise you for taking advantage of emotionally badly-damaged young people. You do what ISIL does, congratulations.

[Rigon]

Personal service work is not for the whiny ones, escorts, bartenders and waitresses included, amongst many others.Whiners don't last long in any service trade.

I remember when I was 13 and I ran away from home. Six months later I was living with someone twice my age, who told me I was loved, then shot me full of heroin and made me wait tables until I was too sore to walk. Dipshit...

[awesome31312]

Personal service work is not for the whiny ones, escorts, bartenders and waitresses included, amongst many others.Whiners don't last long in any service trade.

I remember when I was 13 and I ran away from home. Six months later I was living with someone twice my age, who told me I was loved, then shot me full of heroin and made me wait tables until I was too sore to walk. Dipshit...

I'm sorry to hear that mate.

[umair127]

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

He admits that forcing women to have sex with him is the only way in which he can get laid.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Yeah, cause all those women who are "escorts"... they went into the sex trade willingly, eyes wide open.

It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.

Rather limited, puritanical perspective you have going there. Do you ever dine out or go out for drinks? Do you think all waitresses and bartenders went into their trade willingly? It's a job. They too are service workers and are paid well (at least when I tip them) to keep their emotional baggage away from their work and me.

The Puritanical worldview is the one that condemns sex work as fundamentally sexually immoral. I do no such thing. But I do despise you for taking advantage of emotionally badly-damaged young people. You do what ISIL does, congratulations.

I'm not taking advantage of emotionally badly damaged young people. The escorts I use are well educated, most are fluent in at least 3 languages and are excellent conversationalists. You must be hanging out with underage crack-whores to make such a generalized statement regarding sex workers.

As to your situation at age 13, I wish I could have been waiting tables.

Growing up, I was moved from Foster home to Foster home. Some were good, and some were horrible. I was moved to my last one at age 12. Husband and wife who owned a small business. I lived with them until I was 18.

I graduated 8th grade at age 13, and immediately went to work in their family business.

[umair127]

A little background info for you. In Texas at that time you were required to attend school until you passed the 8th grade or turned 18, whichever came first. High School was optional. They weren't required to send me to high school, so they didn't. I was needed more in the family business.

The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.

[noviapriani]

A little background info for you. In Texas at that time you were required to attend school until you passed the 8th grade or turned 18, whichever came first. High School was optional. They weren't required to send me to high school, so they didn't. I was needed more in the family business.

The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.

1. I don't think he meant he himself was on heroine and waiting tables. More like a play on the service comparison and how age and vulnerability and drugs should be considered when making stupid, stereotypical entitled male judgements.

[noviapriani]

2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.

[awesome31312]

2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.

Not sure if you're trolling, or you really don't know the definition of "rape"

You sound like you're from the Bronze age, are you from Texas?

[leannemckim46]

2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.

I would certainly not say that women are asking to get raped as a result of how they dress. There are also no "respectable" places where rape does not happen, this is a crime that happens all over the world.

I would say that women are "asking" for some level of attention when they dress provocatively however it is crazy to say they are asking to get assaulted (or anything worse). 

[EternalWingsofGod]

Thought this might be in need of an update
Here are the results (Nothing)

Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action

Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.

In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.

"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter

(Still carrying the mattress)

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312


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Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.

[awesome31312]

The university will never comment on the issue in an attempt to preserve their image when it comes to the press.

I got permanently censored by Facebook for sharing links about this

[mnmShadyBTC]

Thought this might be in need of an update
Here are the results (Nothing)

Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action

Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.

In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.

"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter

(Still carrying the mattress)

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312


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Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.

I don't think this is a good/effective way to protest how they handled the situation.

I do agree that it is unfortunately little more then a he-said-she-said situation and would really not be proper to do anything to the guy without any proof

[nsimmons]

I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

and this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.

Accusation isn't evidence.

[awesome31312]

I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

and this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.

Accusation isn't evidence.

Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists

No investigation was launched against the rapist.

[ChiliPowder]

I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

and this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.

Accusation isn't evidence.

Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists

No investigation was launched against the rapist.

Im a bit confused, as far as I know rape is usually delt with by calling the police. Why is this chick demanding he gets kicked out of school? Why didnt she call the cops and instantly get the rape kit from the hospital? I dont think it is up to the school to kick people out on word alone. You know how many guys would be kicked out of school if drunkie drunk girl said he raped me? I am not saying that is the case here by any means but I dont get why she didnt get the police involved if she was raped. Same goes for the other 2 girls.

[awesome31312]

I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

and this,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.

Accusation isn't evidence.

Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists

No investigation was launched against the rapist.

Im a bit confused, as far as I know rape is usually delt with by calling the police. Why is this chick demanding he gets kicked out of school? Why didnt she call the cops and instantly get the rape kit from the hospital? I dont think it is up to the school to kick people out on word alone. You know how many guys would be kicked out of school if drunkie drunk girl said he raped me? I am not saying that is the case here by any means but I dont get why she didnt get the police involved if she was raped. Same goes for the other 2 girls.

Drunk women cannot consent. No investigation was launched against him. Normally, a police report results in an investigation at least.

[Grand_Voyageur]

I think the Whole issue maybe was due to who pay for the Campus police.