[CLOSED]>>> UNBLOCK YOUR mBANK VISA PREPAID CARDS <<<

[roslinpl]

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[DiabloRambo]

hi




How much will the fee be if i have around 300-500€ on my card.

And how will you send me the money?

[roslinpl]

From about > an hour I am on a phone with their support........


I will all let you know what's they told me. Just let me finish with them.

I must say - this is sick, their support is poor, I am calling from 2 days, I spend few hours on a phone just to solve everything out.

So ... wait a bit ... as I am on a hold line ... :]

[jrk87]

I'm not a Polish Citizen, how can i unblock cards if i go in mBank branch?
Ways for get repurchase of money?

[DiabloRambo]

first off all... THANK YOU for helping us.




Second... Is it possible, to go to poland and just withdraw the money in an ATM??  (Will the card work as soon as i enter polish ground?)

[DiabloRambo]

So if we wait like 1-2 MONTHS, you think they might be unblocked?


and if they do get unblocked, then we must take out the money in an ATM in poland?

[roslinpl]

So if we wait like 1-2 MONTHS, you think they might be unblocked?

Well hard to say in my opinion.. we will see :]
But I don't think that they will let you use the card no more.
What I think is that perhaps founds are gonna be returned to the address of the sender - maybe.

and if they do get unblocked, then we must take out the money in an ATM in poland?

Well.. they security works like that: if you will start to withdraw your founds abroad (outside of Poland) they will for sure block it again.
So yes - BEST solution is to withdraw money in Poland OR after you will unblock your card you can request a withdraw to any Polish account.

[DiabloRambo]

That's soooo Fuc*ed up........

[jrk87]

It's not necessary withdraw on ATM.
After card unblocked just upload the money on Skrill or other payment gateways

[ReBoRn]

@roslinpl Thanks for your this all hard work and update I was going to buy this card but now I am staying away from headache because I am not Polish citizen and have no contact with any one

[chufchuf]

Oh wow ''card copying gang''? Well if thats what they claim they should have fitted the cards with a chip.

[roslinpl]

Can someone explain to me, why 90% of those people who have blocked mBank card are "newbies"

[DiabloRambo]

Can someone explain to me, why 90% of those people who have blocked mBank card are "newbies"

This is the endstation in googlesearch..
And we bought the card from this site.

Does it really matters?

[roslinpl]

Can someone explain to me, why 90% of those people who have blocked mBank card are "newbies"

This is the endstation in googlesearch..
And we bought the card from this site.

Does it really matters?

I was just curious

[jackie.k9]

I also registered only because of this topic, i browse bitcointalk.org for about year and half already, did not have any reason before to register as everything is open for the public. Now i have, as probably a lot of "newbies".

Do You believe them that they will do anything to help their customers? Let's look at this

- They ignore my messages for 5 day already (and i'm only counting working-days), and i did not scream at them, just asked questions and what to they plan to do
- First two messages they've replied were copy/pasted. I wrote one and after two days i've wrote second one because of no response. In response i've got two exact same messages send in hour interval
- They've stated "This cards are only for Polish Citizen". I don't have flyer from card anymore but as far as i remember this is not stated anywhere - MOREOVER - Internet Prepaid System (lol) is both in polish, english and german. Why?
- I've called their support line, i've wrote messages, i've proposed sending cards with ID scans by normal post by mail, by post office, i've asked HOW can i verify myself as i CANNOT go to Poland - GOT IGNORED

And there's many more but i don't care that much for proving that they're cheaters and thieves in white gloves as this is clearly visible.

I would give roslinpl few days for trying to clear the situation. I guess we all OWN him a big one. He's in Poland and have the best look at the situation, but even he will not chase them for months about not his money. They'll just wait him out. That's what banks do.

What i propose, if we really want to get this money back is to start spam. It worked already for one person. Let's make it work for the rest. Spamming their support line will not do, as You'll just get ignored as me or anybody. Let's hit where it pains the most. I found their Facebook page, twitter page (both in Poland, Czech and Slovakia) also there is at least few places where we definitely can write. If everything else fails, roslinpl, can You provide us with some financial boards, financial newspapers and journalist with whom we can start this little "shit-storm" if it will get big enough - then they will NEED to do something with it. For now they can hide behind this TOS of their (which they change as their want).

[bernard75]

I said it in the last thread and ill say it again for the last time: Get yourself a notary!
Its not as expensive as you think and you dont have to go to Poland.

[jackie.k9]

Suddenly from anonymous visa prepaid cards  to "You need to hire notary"

But ok, if that's the only option. Could You give some guidelines on how to do it? I guess it needs to be notary from Poland, can You at least steer us into some direction? Is it possible to do is as group? Maybe it'll be cheaper.

[bernard75]

Suddenly from anonymous visa prepaid cards  to "You need to hire notary"

But ok, if that's the only option. Could You give some guidelines on how to do it? I guess it needs to be notary from Poland, can You at least steer us into some direction? Is it possible to do is as group? Maybe it'll be cheaper.

Hey, i never sold mBank cards and its your own fault for being a cheapskate.

But ok:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=746065.msg8736200#msg8736200
And of course it will be cheaper as a group, since he only has to do the trip to the bank once.

[jackie.k9]

Can You explain what do You mean by being "cheapskate"? How this is related to anything? Do You describe any person that did not use You service as "cheapskate"? Good luck with that attitude when they'll do the same with BZWBK. Because difference between two is ... none, but i guess You know that. How one can be call a "cheapskate" when mBank cards are not different in any manner from BZWBK ones. NONE.

Thank You for the link nevertheless, we should organize second topic if notary will be the only option.

Thank You roslin for Your help, i guess we will all wait a little longer, you're the last hope here man

[roslinpl]

Thank You roslin for Your help, i guess we will all wait a little longer, you're the last hope here man

I will also even ask some notary about how he can help.

Give me few days. I will go with a card which was sent to me and I will fight for your cards too!

This situation must be solved. Just give me few days.

Regards.

[bernard75]

Suddenly from anonymous visa prepaid cards  to "You need to hire notary"

Can you explain what you mean by that? Is every seller a criminal just because yours is?

[thExit]

Hey Roslinpl,

I wanted to check how's your work on the embassy going and stumbled across this thread. I'll PM you for details, there might be a way to help. I talked to my cousin, she used to work at mBank for a long time, she still has friends there, it might be possible to sort things out a bit. It all depends on the number of cards to unblock, we'll either go to a "friendly" branch:) if the number is not that high, or try to force the matter from the inside, with the help of people working there.

Anyone directly involved please PM me so I have a total number of cards that need unblocking.

Kind regards,
Piotr

[jackie.k9]

Suddenly from anonymous visa prepaid cards  to "You need to hire notary"

Can you explain what you mean by that? Is every seller a criminal just because yours is?

I did not said anything like this. I do not even think that my seller is a "criminal". I think that bank got scared and just looked for a reason to do this, which also connected with high fraud rate done by random kids around the globe. Most You could steal with this card was - what - 200$ before they block it? So it was not used by criminal masterminds definitely.

You propose us to go to notary while Your signature screams about anonymity. So i hope You get what i wanted to say by that. This cards supposed to be anonymous, not because I wanted to launder money, not pay taxes or cheat and steal but because they were DESIGNED to do that and WERE (AND ARE) ADVERTISED in that way. They had appropriate limits because of that (2000$ a year/135$ a day). If mBank would state at the beginning what will happen if You use this cards for receiving funds not from yourself (btc-exchange) and that You NEED to register them to your identity or moreover You need to be polish citizen and You can only whitdraw one card at one ID (this is bullshit by the way, read the TOS of the card, you can have as many You desire so rule of 1ID=1card is just pure imagination of bank) i would just not use them and save myself around 600 USD. This is that simple.

I've paid for the cards exact same amount You're selling Yours BZWBK. I know these cards too and You probably know to that they've also had few problems along the way i.e they've got blocked after receiving payment from btc exchanger (it was 2 years ago, for now they work fine)

[Booooooo]

Hi
I have been using "polish" cards from 2 years, all were EUR currency.
Cards were used always in the same way: loaded via bank wire (source was almost never from poland bank also sometimes a single card could have been loaded even from more then one source) and emptied at ATM machine or RARELY at restaurants/hotels/shops all those things none in Poland .

The first were BZ WBK, registered under a fake profile a "polish one" (because bored to send sms to check card balance, or for having better services and overview about the cards: pin change, residual yearly limit, operation history etc.) worked perfectly.
When was reached the WBK profile's number of cards limit (10x) I created another profile but this time using most possible real data (so everything except some poland specific fields) indeed since not have delivered my ID to anyone I thought to stay safe and this also would help me in case of card lock/loss/ATM machine capture it etc.

Problems started with those second card groups (randomly blocked, perhaps I admit I did some errors for example address bank wire to another name than the one used for card registration) and I started hating BZ WBK and was suggested to try mBank supposed to be more reliable, user friendly (card balance and history check online without registration) and hard to get locked (those cards even do not have Address Verification System) and have to say so far I never encountered a single problem (except the little annoying withdraw limit that for unknown reason is not 150 EUR daily as prompted but I have to lower to 140 EUR that is a "money cut" not always available in the ATM machines) my last withdraw was made yesterday. I am using about 15x mBank cards in the last 1 year, all are supposed to be working even now but after encounter this kind of thread now I start to be little afraid and inclined to go back to BZ WBK.....

[CryptoHeaven]

I have 2 cards from mbank which I never used but they are valid till 2017. Have they blocked all cards or just some in particular?

[siennamar]

only Polish Citizen can unblock cards ?

[roslinpl]

Hey Roslinpl,

I wanted to check how's your work on the embassy going and stumbled across this thread. I'll PM you for details, there might be a way to help. I talked to my cousin, she used to work at mBank for a long time, she still has friends there, it might be possible to sort things out a bit. It all depends on the number of cards to unblock, we'll either go to a "friendly" branch:) if the number is not that high, or try to force the matter from the inside, with the help of people working there.

Anyone directly involved please PM me so I have a total number of cards that need unblocking.

Kind regards,
Piotr

Hey!

Great!
If you can figure that out it might be great!

At the moment I know about something like ~10 members with those cards.

Some of them with >5000 euros on those cards ... so this isn't a small problem.

Some with >500 euros - a problem too...

Anyway it will be GREAT if we can help them all.

[DiabloRambo]

Some of them with >5000 euros on those cards ... so this isn't a small problem.





Isent 2500€ max?

[roslinpl]

Some of them with >5000 euros on those cards ... so this isn't a small problem.





Isent 2500€ max?

I mean that someone have 3 cards for example with > 5000 total.

Anyway. Problem is here with us and we will solve it our.

[ReBoRn]

Some of them with >5000 euros on those cards ... so this isn't a small problem.





Isent 2500€ max?

I mean that someone have 3 cards for example with > 5000 total.

Anyway. Problem is here with us and we will solve it our.

DiabloRambo now you need some patience if roslinpl is working for you then give some time to him hope he will do some good for you and all other card holders

[sionsandman]

I am not working for him.

I am working for all of you to let you know what to do.

I'm already out of this boat but let me congratulate for all your efforts in the benefit of other members.

This is what this forum should be about.

Sooner or later they'll have to refund everyone.

Thanks

[thExit]

Hey Roslinpl,

I wanted to check how's your work on the embassy going and stumbled across this thread. I'll PM you for details, there might be a way to help. I talked to my cousin, she used to work at mBank for a long time, she still has friends there, it might be possible to sort things out a bit. It all depends on the number of cards to unblock, we'll either go to a "friendly" branch:) if the number is not that high, or try to force the matter from the inside, with the help of people working there.

Anyone directly involved please PM me so I have a total number of cards that need unblocking.

Kind regards,
Piotr

Hey!

Great!
If you can figure that out it might be great!

At the moment I know about something like ~10 members with those cards.

Some of them with >5000 euros on those cards ... so this isn't a small problem.

Some with >500 euros - a problem too...

Anyway it will be GREAT if we can help them all.

I'll be glad if we can help anyone, dealing with banks is never an easy task:) First of all we cannot be in a rush with this, we need to gather some info. The key point is the reason for a "relatively" large number of cards being blocked at the same time. I bet that there must be a common pattern on the transaction list. If the bank started acting suddenly, this means that they must have introduced some new rules, perhaps AML rules, rather not KYC rules on anonymous cards:) For now let's leave that aside.

CARD HOLDERS PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING CAREFULLY:

If your card got blocked, there may be a way to help you, but you need to be patient.

If your card didn't bet blocked, don't try withdrawing everything at once, instead "lay low", stop using it for a time, until we figure out what's happening.

Some useful info can be found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463282.msg6586968#msg6586968

Quoting:

However, there are couple of measures to to be taken so to avoid the card being blocked :

- Do not withdraw all of the amount at once (for example - you receive 150 $ transfer and next day you wthdraw 150 $ in ATM)
- Try to avoid withdrawing full daily limit in one day
- Do not log in to internet banking from IPs from different countries
- Try to avoid withdrawing cash in many different cities/countries within a short period of time


MOSTLY IMPORTANT

Need help ---> PM

[peteroff]

has any one had their mBank card unblocked just by waiting ?

[Booooooo]

However, there are couple of measures to to be taken so to avoid the card being blocked :

- Do not withdraw all of the amount at once (for example - you receive 150 $ transfer and next day you wthdraw 150 $ in ATM)
- Try to avoid withdrawing full daily limit in one day
- Do not log in to internet banking from IPs from different countries
- Try to avoid withdrawing cash in many different cities/countries within a short period of time

Have emptied about 15x cards in the last 1 year (latest this morning) none locked.
Did exactly those points described....emptied in a rush as soon were loaded (ok not always so fast) and day after day in different ATM machine around....

Those listed suggestion I remember was better recommended for BZ WBK cards (for example they hate/notice if you withdrew just few minutes before midnight and again few minutes after midnight...) that I've started hating, then I've passed with great happiness to mBank (now after a friend of mine made me notice this threads I am really struggled if continue using or not those new still sealed I have left...)

[hgerson]

Hey Roslinpl,

I wanted to check how's your work on the embassy going and stumbled across this thread. I'll PM you for details, there might be a way to help. I talked to my cousin, she used to work at mBank for a long time, she still has friends there, it might be possible to sort things out a bit. It all depends on the number of cards to unblock, we'll either go to a "friendly" branch:) if the number is not that high, or try to force the matter from the inside, with the help of people working there.

Anyone directly involved please PM me so I have a total number of cards that need unblocking.

Kind regards,
Piotr

Please post here or PM any info your cousin has.

To your count I have just 1 card to unlock.

Thanks

[ReBoRn]

has any one had their mBank card unblocked just by waiting ?

roslinpl is working for all of us and he need some time wait for his update hope he will give some good news to all persons which are in this bad situation

[thExit]

has any one had their mBank card unblocked just by waiting ?

roslinpl is working for all of us and he need some time wait for his update hope he will give some good news to all persons which are in this bad situation

Rush will get us nowhere, we need to be smart on this, smarter that the banks:) They have a reason to block the cards. Is it a good reason? P(robably) M(ot).

[Booooooo]

is the reason of cards being locked known? Those have still working cards have to worried? (I believe so!)

[roslinpl]

is the reason of cards locked known? Those have still working cards have to worried? (I believe so!)

If the card will be in use outside of the Polish country it will be blocked "with security reasons" cause they think that then the card might be stolen as the card is mentioned to be used in Poland.

[Booooooo]

If the card will be in use outside of the Polish country it will be blocked "with security reasons" cause they think that then the card might be stolen as the card is mentioned to be used in Poland.

Sounds me incredible for 2 reasons:
1) a polish citizen is free to travel outside poland and moreover I believe this cards are meant almost for being used for travelling (to pay shops/restaurants/hotel) *
2) mine seems ok, have used always outside poland and have used many cards....

Do you think they unlock some card number "series" related to some specific reseller?

*you could say, "yes indeed in case they get locked in that situation they can easily unlock by going to bank branch" so a polish "traveller" risks to stay without money when is abroad because card can be easily locked?! Crazy

[roslinpl]

If the card will be in use outside of the Polish country it will be blocked "with security reasons" cause they think that then the card might be stolen as the card is mentioned to be used in Poland.

Sounds me incredible for 2 reasons:
1) a polish citizen is free to travel outside poland and moreover I believe this cards are meant almost for being used for travelling (to pay shops/restaurants/hotel) *
2) mine seems ok, have used always outside poland and have used many cards....

Do you think they unlock some card number "series" related to some specific reseller?

*you could say, "yes indeed in case they get locked in that situation they can easily unlock by going to bank branch" so a polish "traveller" risks to stay without money when is abroad because card can be easily locked?! Crazy

It is crazy and I don't understand why they are doing that

It is crazy. Indeed card might be used in other countries but then your card might get blocked.

Also if some ATM was compromised they will block all of the cards which were used in that ATM.

I must say - I was calling mBank 10 times and I get 10 different answers.
I was in a branch 4 times and I get 4 different answers.

But the card which was in my hands is unblocked and they told me that the only way to unblock it is by registering the card online and bring it with your ID to the mBank's branch.

This is sick and I don't know any more answers and I won't do anything more as I don't know what else can I do

I tried my best and they told me when I asked them about what other people need to do to unblock their cards - they told me only what I already told you... Register and visit the mBank's branch (and not all of them, only main branches)

Regards.

[Nightauer]

It is crazy and I don't understand why they are doing that

You're providing service for unlocking or killing card? it's explained in their rules...

update from 30.07.2014...

[Booooooo]

It is crazy and I don't understand why they are doing that

You're providing service for unlocking or killing card? it's explained in their rules...

update from 30.07.2014...

can you copy and paste the passage? thanks

[Nightauer]

can you copy and paste the passage? thanks

http://www.mbank.pl/pomoc/info/msp-korporacje/regulaminy/obsluga-biezaca-karty.html

§39

6. You can't use card for getting payments for selling goods or providing services.
7. You can't sell bank cards without permission.

usually for selling BTCs...


Same situation I had with paypal 4 months ago, it should be same result also - they can block card, but not money.


main rule: always check info by yourself...

[Schnudelu]

What i really not understanding is why you even bought this card here are a lot alternatives for each country so even in your country i am sure there is an option for a such card

[Booooooo]

can you copy and paste the passage? thanks

http://www.mbank.pl/pomoc/info/msp-korporacje/regulaminy/obsluga-biezaca-karty.html

§39

6. You can't use card for getting payments for selling goods or providing services.
7. You can't sell bank cards without permission.

usually for selling BTCs...


Same situation I had with paypal 4 months ago, it should be same result also - they can block card, but not money.


main rule: always check info by yourself...

Well those rules are always existed the same for BZ WBK ones, cards are not meant for getting paid! (But since can be loaded by everyone how could they know if was a payment or personal load?)

What i really not understanding is why you even bought this card here are a lot alternatives for each country so even in your country i am sure there is an option for a such card

for example can tell me (even privately) one and can be loaded by third party via bank wire? Thanks

[Nightauer]

Well those rules are always existed the same for BZ WBK ones, cards are not meant for getting paid! (But since can be loaded by everyone how could they know if was a payment or personal load?)

when You will login on mbank, You can see only subject. Bank will see if it's money from company or private. Also there is possibility that they've flagged some btc exchangers and other sites. When You will register wbk card (never do this) You can see all info also. same if You will receive for example 4 transfers, every transfer 150 EUR, and same data on transfers. mbank card was very exploitable - there were possibility to load it for 2,000 EUR and don't increase counter. Same for withdrawals.(EU ONLY).


Tell me Your country and currency, limits, and I'll find best card for You. If there will be more users interested, I'll order them in bulk as company cards.

[eljotas]

Well those rules are always existed the same for BZ WBK ones, cards are not meant for getting paid! (But since can be loaded by everyone how could they know if was a payment or personal load?)

when You will login on mbank, You can see only subject. Bank will see if it's money from company or private. Also there is possibility that they've flagged some btc exchangers and other sites. When You will register wbk card (never do this) You can see all info also. same if You will receive for example 4 transfers, every transfer 150 EUR, and same data on transfers. mbank card was very exploitable - there were possibility to load it for 2,000 EUR and don't increase counter. Same for withdrawals.(EU ONLY).


Tell me Your country and currency, limits, and I'll find best card for You. If there will be more users interested, I'll order them in bulk as company cards.

I'm also interested to have Reloadable card with IBAN. Country is not important for me, but i want alternative between mBank and BZ WBK.