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May 17, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
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Actually you are right. But you are wrong asking the question "This is good in what way?"

It's irrelevant whether or not it's good, the original question was whether or not Bitcoin is or has a government and the ability to fork it, what ever this would actually mean for the value of the system, proves it does not. If I want to use Bitcoin, I can, however I cannot force others to use my version of Bitcoin even if I modify the original Bitcoin and have enough rule enforcement power which is something a government could do.

why are u getting so "hung up" on the definitions of what ppl are trying to say?  such as "democracy" or "government"?

such as, i know exactly what rjk is trying to say when he says the governing rules of Bitcoin are the source code and algorithm which govern the Bitcoin community and network.

i also am convinced that democratic principles apply to Bitcoin.  miners can try to subvert the system to their benefit if they want but if it violates the wants or desires of the majority of users, they will simply leave.  no users, no network, no miners.  period.

users are not "forced" to use Bitcoin.  they have a choice unlike USD's here in the US which have to be used for a variety of purposes, taxes being one.

Because people and their delusions are responsible for most of bad outcomes in the world and I'm doing my damn best to avoid delusions being perpetuated in Bitcoin.

What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

What bitcoin isn't: democratic, a government, being governed by people, promoting equality of any kind

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May 17, 2012, 04:53:32 PM
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I'm doing my damn best to avoid delusions being perpetuated in Bitcoin.

What bitcoin is: democratic

What bitcoin isn't: democratic

Good job.    Grin

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May 17, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
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I'm doing my damn best to avoid delusions being perpetuated in Bitcoin.

What bitcoin is: democratic

What bitcoin isn't: democratic

Blow job.    Grin

Look... I can edit your posts so they say something completely different too.

https://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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May 17, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
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I'm doing my damn best to avoid delusions being perpetuated in Bitcoin.

What bitcoin is: democratic

What bitcoin isn't: democratic

Blow job.    Grin

Look... I can edit your posts so they say something completely different too.

But can you read my edits to determine what point they are trying to get across?

Many of the words and concepts hazek uses to describe bitcoin are synonyms for "democratic". 
 


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May 17, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
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Many of the words and concepts hazek uses to describe bitcoin are synonyms for "democratic".  

That is exactly what I'm trying to dispute and disagree with, do I need to paste dictionary definitions again?

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May 17, 2012, 05:47:26 PM
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Many of the words and concepts hazek uses to describe bitcoin are synonyms for "democratic".  

That is exactly what I'm trying to dispute and disagree with, do I need to paste dictionary definitions again?

those definitions were worthless as i've already said.  self referencing.
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May 17, 2012, 05:47:38 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?

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May 17, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?

Precisely my point.

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May 17, 2012, 05:56:00 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?

Precisely my point.

Oh so that's your big point?  Because a good real world example doesn't exist that nullifies the concept?    lol 

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May 17, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?

Precisely my point.

Oh so that's your big point?  Because a good real world example doesn't exist that nullifies the concept?    lol 

We usually use words that describe what is to describe what is and not what isn't.

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May 17, 2012, 06:30:42 PM
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We usually use words that describe what is to describe what is and not what isn't.

Miners have the ability to do so while casual users do not. Where in these facts do you see your eulogized democratic equality is my question..?

well you don't.
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May 17, 2012, 06:47:36 PM
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We usually use words that describe what is to describe what is and not what isn't.

Miners have the ability to do so while casual users do not. Where in these facts do you see your eulogized democratic equality is my question..?

well you don't.

huh?

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May 17, 2012, 07:13:39 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?


I can point to many. I will only choose one to make the point: My girlfriend's book club.
 
Do you and hazek think that "democratic" is a term that should only refer to the political governance of nation states?   lol

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May 17, 2012, 07:27:16 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?


I can point to many. I will only choose one to make the point: My girlfriend's book club.
 
Do you and hazek think that "democratic" is a term that should only refer to the political governance of nation states?   lol

If the book club has a ruler(s) it can't be described by any of the adjectives I listed. And to answer your question: of course not.

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May 17, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
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What bitcoin is: Honest, strict, free of coercion, voluntary, regulated by market consumers (a free market), sovereign, without entitlement of equality between users ect.

@Portnoy:
Can you please point to an existing democracy that can by described by even one of these terms?


I can point to many. I will only choose one to make the point: My girlfriend's book club.
 
Do you and hazek think that "democratic" is a term that should only refer to the political governance of nation states?   lol

If the book club has a ruler(s) it can't be described by any of the adjectives I listed.

It has no ruler. No central authority. It is democratic like bitcoin.


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