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September 27, 2014, 12:25:11 PM
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Whether traded accounts are used for good or bad is down to your own personal opinion of what 'good' and 'bad' is.


Also, I disagree entirely with this statement. Life isn't a grey blur of moral ambiguity.

Good = truth = freedom = life

Bad = lies = imprisonment = death

So there you go. A lot of the time good and bad isn't a matter of personal opinion but is pretty clear cut. It seems to me that you ought to know lying is bad by now, and pretending to be somebody you are not is lying.

This is your point of view.
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September 27, 2014, 02:36:49 PM
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Whether traded accounts are used for good or bad is down to your own personal opinion of what 'good' and 'bad' is.


Also, I disagree entirely with this statement. Life isn't a grey blur of moral ambiguity.

Good = truth = freedom = life

Bad = lies = imprisonment = death

So there you go. A lot of the time good and bad isn't a matter of personal opinion but is pretty clear cut. It seems to me that you ought to know lying is bad by now, and pretending to be somebody you are not is lying.
Maybe, but you need to include people from all countries, backgrounds, religions, political persuasions, etc. After taking all that into account and extracting a common denominator I bet that you'd have a pretty sparse definition of what "good" is.
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September 27, 2014, 08:09:23 PM
Last edit: September 27, 2014, 08:51:49 PM by nutildah
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Maybe, but you need to include people from all countries, backgrounds, religions, political persuasions, etc. After taking all that into account and extracting a common denominator I bet that you'd have a pretty sparse definition of what "good" is.

The fact of the matter is account buying has never been used for anything decent. The basic, underlying value of the account is the identity attached to it, which the purchaser is now assuming as his own, which is a crime in most countries.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/impersonation

So morally from a global standpoint pretending to be somebody you are not is a bad thing because people don't like being fooled. Its a universal desire to not be fooled, aka lied to, and country or background has nothing to do with it.

I'm going to start a thread listing all the bought accounts I see trying to scam people and encourage others to add to the list since you guys don't seem the slightest bit interested in stopping this problem from happening.

I will start by monitoring the accounts currently for sale and follow what purposes they are used for and get back to you.

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October 03, 2014, 01:08:41 AM
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Monitoring is underway.

I'm collecting two lists, one of account sellers and the other of account buyers. I will be sure to post this information, links and dates so everybody can see who to avoid from now on.

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October 03, 2014, 03:32:27 AM
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Whether traded accounts are used for good or bad is down to your own personal opinion of what 'good' and 'bad' is.


Also, I disagree entirely with this statement. Life isn't a gray blur of moral ambiguity.

Good = truth = freedom = life

Bad = lies = imprisonment = death

So there you go. A lot of the time good and bad isn't a matter of personal opinion but is pretty clear cut. It seems to me that you ought to know lying is bad by now, and pretending to be somebody you are not is lying.
You are not pretending to be a specific identity. When you post on here you are posting from a username (under certain circumstances this can even be changed). When you make a post, you do not represent that you are any specific person.

Also when you sell your account, you would also be selling any kind of "identity" associated with such account and this should be obvious to anyone selling such account.

Monitoring is underway.

I'm collecting two lists, one of account sellers and the other of account buyers. I will be sure to post this information, links and dates so everybody can see who to avoid from now on.
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October 03, 2014, 06:27:23 AM
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You are not pretending to be a specific identity.

Of course you are. When somebody posts under your user name, they assume it is you writing the post, even if it is not. The poster is pretending to be you up until the point they admit they are writing under your username.
Why would you assume that? It is commonly known that people buy and sell accounts. It is illogical to assume this. 
When you post on here you are posting from a username (under certain circumstances this can even be changed). When you make a post, you do not represent that you are any specific person.

People assume you are the same person that wrote all the posts under your username. By writing under somebody else's account name, you are lying to that person.
Incorrect. See my above response. Regardless of if this is true or not, it is very immature to give something more weight just because a certain person said it; you should listen to specific arguments and facts not who is making the statement.
Also when you sell your account, you would also be selling any kind of "identity" associated with such account and this should be obvious to anyone selling such account.

Yes, I already made this point. That is the intrinsic value of the account -- the identity associated with the account. When somebody else assumes your identity for their own purposes this is known as impersonation.

If you're simply trying to rationalize unethical behavior, you're going to have to try harder.
In order to impersonate an identity, you would need to not own that identity in the first place. When you use the term impersonate you are implying that the identity does not belong to the poster, but in fact it does.

Wow, lotta paranoid conspiracy nutters in here.

The truth is, there's no good argument as to why this shouldn't be allowed. Just a bunch of stupid ones.

Fixed. I've still yet to see any proof of accounts being sold to be used for 'mass propganda'.
I have seen a lot of people advocating for PoS to replace PoW (I suspect to attempt to pump PoS scamcoins - all altcoins are scamcoins IMO). It is possible that these are purchased accounts, however it would not be any different if people were posting from newbie accounts as either way their argument is flawed.

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October 03, 2014, 07:05:48 PM
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It is commonly known that people buy and sell accounts. It is illogical to assume this.  

Wrong. It is NOT commonly known, especially among noobs. I didn't know about it until a month ago or so, and then I couldn't believe that it was actively being endorsed by the mods.


Regardless of if this is true or not, it is very immature to give something more weight just because a certain person said it; you should listen to specific arguments and facts not who is making the statement.

Huh? Do you understand that people trade based on the rep of the username alone all the time? Regardless of your feelings on the subject, people do this every day all the time. If Satoshi came on here and said something I sure as hell would give it a lot more weight than when you say something. Even if I disagreed with what he was saying.


In order to impersonate an identity, you would need to not own that identity in the first place. When you use the term impersonate you are implying that the identity does not belong to the poster, but in fact it does.

But this is obfuscated by the fact that most people don't know that they are reading the words of a bought account. There is no honesty or redeemable qualities in your arguments, you're simply trying to defend borderline evil behavior for your own selfish financial reasons.

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October 03, 2014, 11:40:15 PM
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I think banning all sig campaigns would be a good idea. I have an ad in my sig because I spend a lot of time in this forum plus I am an investor in the company that advertises in my sig and I support them. I can use the money but I dont need it, and as for quality of posts, in my case, I dont really know if that has changed much. I am very engaged in some conversations, some I just feel a need to chime in on, sometimes I want to make a little joke. Nothing that is going to change the world, but I get a lot of good use out of this forum, have solved more than a few issues thanks to my fellow helpful members and do my best to be respectful and polite (which considering the behavior of some of the trolls in here is quite a feat sometimes)

Still I can appreciate what sig campaigns have done to the general atmosphere here.

If the sig campaigns were removed it would strike a serious blow at who ever it is that is buying accounts. I understand that they have ulterior motives for aquiring these accounts and want them for manipulation purposes, but they have an easy time because their expenses are compensated with these sig campaigns. Fine by me if it all gets curtailed.

Also, the manipulation I speak of, especially in the securities section, I believe there are laws regarding this type of behavior, arent there? I've heard of people using sock puppet accounts to manipulate stock prices online, and that is in the traditional stock market. You can be sent to jail for such things. What I'm saying is- bitcointalk admins could be culpable if there is legal action, so I would crack down hard on that kind of stuff, not sure how, but "turning off their water and heat" i.e. removing their sig income, would definitely be a start.

I just discovered this "Meta" section of the forum looking to complain about a paid trolling ad I saw in the services section, and I've spent all day here. Funnily enough, this section is a lot more interesting than much of the rest of the forum. To me at least. I guess its time for me to go outside and play...
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October 04, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
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No, you would certainly NOT be better off creating new accounts. Can you not understand that posts by a senior member, who may be known by many users, carry more weight and generate more views than someone who registered 2 minutes ago?

Sig campaigns? HAhaaaaaa you really believe someone is mass buying shill accounts at .25 bitcoin each for a sig campaign.  Smiley that's Cute

Haha, you really believe someone is buying accounts for propaganda purposes? Now that really is cute and a little extreme. Can you provide evidence of how he is trying to mass buy accounts and for propaganda purposes? I dont think you're really thinking this through. So you really think people go around throwing money away to buy accounts for this purpose when there's a good chance they'll be banned? No. Sure, higher ranked accounts carry a little more weight but you can do more damage with an army of newb accounts you can quickly create for free. Unlikely people will want to risk their money this way. And many people do buy several accounts for sig campaigns as you can or could make your money back in less than a month. This practice of trying to buy accounts is common and I've seen it happen several times and many have been banned for sending the unsolicited messages.

Very interesting to see how quickly this thread is being attacked, isn't it  Wink

Saying things like that leads me to believe that you're pretty paranoid and irrationally jumping to conspiracies here and are incapable of looking at this from any other angle. How has this thread been 'quickly attacked' exactly?

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Saying things like that leads me to believe that you're pretty paranoid and irrationally jumping to conspiracies here and are incapable of looking at this from any other angle. How has this thread been 'quickly attacked' exactly?

Bolded - I also want to know! Tongue

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/

I'm not so sure this is completely accurate though. Because if it was, I wouldn't be able to write this message.

Please, please don't ban me. I promise to be nicer when talking to the mods, starting now.

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October 04, 2014, 06:58:30 PM
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I just discovered this "Meta" section of the forum looking to complain about a paid trolling ad I saw in the services section, and I've spent all day here. Funnily enough, this section is a lot more interesting than much of the rest of the forum. To me at least. I guess its time for me to go outside and play...

No, you're right, its fascinating. Like reading a crime thriller. Some of the scams that people come up with are pretty novel and entertaining to watch go down from the sidelines.

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