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What is Proof of Play [POP] ?

P.O.P. also known as Proof of Play. It's a new concept in cryptocurrency. Proof of Play reward gamers an opportunity to earn in-game cryptocurrency coins.
Most PC or mobile phone games allow the gamers to loot items in game. In the modern day, gamers can cash out those points or coins they looted inside the game and trade them for bitcoins.

Even little kids can make a lot of money while playing video games, they won't get yell at by their mother.
Their perfect excuse would be:
"Mom, but, 'P.O.P' saids I don't have to study any more, I can make a lot of money in my underwear while playing video games all day long."

You will see many popular video games companies provide this Proof of Play reward very soon. Gamers can literally make a lot of money while they play video games. No labor goes to waste.

Xbox & Onlive.com & Playstation consoles have the ability to connect to the internet. Many companies will soon make multi-players video games using the Proof of Play concept. The cryptocurrency earned in-game will be deliver over the internet port located in the back of those video games consoles.

MMORPG games similar to PerfectWorld.com & World of Warcraft will most likely take full advantage of this Proof of Play cryptocurrency concept to reward their players.

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In order to increase the number of cryptocurrency users.
Proof of Play [POP] will play an important role in getting billions of little children world wide to play and opt-in to the idea of decentralize currency.

After 10+ years period, all those billions of children that play [POP] games will become consumers and future pioneers of cryptocurrency.




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What is Proof of Play [POP] ?

P.O.P. also known as Proof of Play. It's a new concept in cryptocurrency. Proof of Play reward gamers an opportunity to earn in-game cryptocurrency coins.
Most PC or mobile phone games allow the gamers to loot items in game. In the modern day, gamers can cash out those points and trade them for bitcoins.

You will see many popular video games companies provide this Proof of Play reward very soon. Gamers can literally make money while they play video games. No labor goes to waste.

Xbox & Playstation consoles have the ability to connect to the internet. Many companies will soon make multi-players video games using the Proof of Play concept. The cryptocurrency earned in-game will be deliver over the internet port located in the back of those video games consoles.

MMORPG games similar to PerferctWorld.com & World of Warcraft will most likely take full advantage of this Proof of Play cryptocurrency concept to reward their players.

Actually there are companies that have implemented systems with FIAT money or rewardpoints , check Playfire plataform from GreenMangaming or Glu Mobile , also we have the Steam model wich rewards players with weapons or items that can they can sell later those items on the market for FIAT  .Reward players with money or reward points is very common on f2p games and used as a bussines model in game industry , specially on mobile games  . The game is free , but to win the game or to be powerful you need good items rarely dropped by the game or available on an ingame store , they give the player some money or items to sell for play but never enough to buy really good items ... players call those games pay to win or free to pay instead free to play .
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What is Proof of Play [POP] ?

P.O.P. also known as Proof of Play. It's a new concept in cryptocurrency. Proof of Play reward gamers an opportunity to earn in-game cryptocurrency coins.
Most PC or mobile phone games allow the gamers to loot items in game. In the modern day, gamers can cash out those points and trade them for bitcoins.

You will see many popular video games companies provide this Proof of Play reward very soon. Gamers can literally make money while they play video games. No labor goes to waste.

Xbox & Playstation consoles have the ability to connect to the internet. Many companies will soon make multi-players video games using the Proof of Play concept. The cryptocurrency earned in-game will be deliver over the internet port located in the back of those video games consoles.

MMORPG games similar to PerfectWorld.com & World of Warcraft will most likely take full advantage of this Proof of Play cryptocurrency concept to reward their players.

A good explanation, but I'm surprised you didn't mention the proof of play coins, themselves, Huntercoin and Motocoin.

EDIT: I was reminded that, technically speaking, hunter-coin is human mined but not proof-of-play. The distinction is subtle and doesn't otherwise have impact on what you've written.
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Actually there are companies that have implemented systems with FIAT money or rewardpoints

The key distinction is that with a proof-of-play model players get some assurances about the rules of the game.  They know the creator of the game can't cheat, issue extra rewards to his friends, flood the economy with some supposed to be rare item, abscond with some rewards themselves, etc. without the network consensus agreeing to it.

It proves the play, allowing the players to confirm from the block-chain that all rules are followed all of the time.

It is also fully decentralized, so if the game development company goes out of business tomorrow the game doesn't suddenly "stop" leaving all of the players with nothing.
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Actually there are companies that have implemented systems with FIAT money or rewardpoints

The key distinction is that with a proof-of-play model players get some assurances about the rules of the game.  They know the creator of the game can't cheat, issue extra rewards to his friends, flood the economy with some supposed to be rare item, abscond with some rewards themselves, etc. without the network consensus agreeing to it.

It proves the play, allowing the players to confirm from the block-chain that all rules are followed all of the time.

It is also fully decentralized, so if the game development company goes out of business tomorrow the game doesn't suddenly "stop" leaving all of the players with nothing.


They can't "cheat" with the money or items , but in every game there are cheaters using aimbot or other advantages , specially if money is involved , just look TF2 or CSGO . About the game developer going out of bussines you will have a problem if the coin was related to only that game and it was a centraliced game using master servers , but as I said there are a lot of companies using POP for many games , take a look at playfire , they are owned by greenmangaming , they put rewards for doing certain tasks on certain games using Steam achievements as proof of play .

The idea to reward players for play is not new , game companies are not going to make soon games using some kind of POP , they have been doing it for at least 3 years and even merchants are doing it now . Of course cryptos can do it better and add value to the actual system  .
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They can't "cheat" with the money or items , but in every game there are cheaters using aimbot or other advantages , specially if money is involved , just look TF2 or CSGO .

Sure, except that this wouldn't be cheating if the network allows for it in protocol!  So (depending upon the implementation specifics) you could probably use something like an aim-bot fine (FPSs are probably not generally suitable for human mining and proof-of-play systems anyway, btw) but probably could not use something like a speed hack, memory patching, "standby" tricks, etc.

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About the game developer going out of bussines you will have a problem if the coin was related to only that game and it was a centraliced game using master servers ,

If it is a centralized game using master servers then it is not proof-of-play or human mining!

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but as I said there are a lot of companies using POP for many games , take a look at playfire , they are owned by greenmangaming , they put rewards for doing certain tasks on certain games using Steam achievements as proof of play .

A steam achievement does not constitute any proof over game-play.  It is more like an attestation of game play.  (You couldn't trace the proof and replay the game and come to your own conclusion that the achievement was deserved, you must just "trust the CA.")

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The idea to reward players for play is not new ,

Sure, but the ideas to reward players with issuance of newly minted currency for their game play (human mining) or to go a step further and reward them for securing the network through their game play (proof of play mining) are both very new.

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game companies are not going to make soon games using some kind of POP ,

This is probably only true in the short term, while the technologies involved are still nascent.  On a longer curve I suspect that eventually they might "have to" in order to remain competitive.
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This is a new algorithm I guess.
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This is a new algorithm I guess.

Really it is a particular category of potential algorithms - those requiring some form of cognition in order to solve the work puzzles presented by the network.
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well i think all the in-game currencies are proof of play arent they? i dont know any game which reward players for being inactive
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well i think all the in-game currencies are proof of play isnt it? i dont know any game which reward players for being inactive.

You are missing the point, I think.  Proof of play implies that a proof is recorded, a proof of the play that happened.

It isn't about "rewarding players."  You could run a proof-of-play mechanism that never issues any token as reward to the player, only allows for verification that the game was carried out correctly.  It is this ability for verification that makes it proof-of-play, not the reward itself.  The proof-of-play just makes it so we can do some rewards in a way that is provably fair - but this is just a nice bonus side effect of proof-of-play, not part of the definition of it.

It is this ability to independently verify correctness of the game-play that is the distinguishing factor.  You can't have any proof-of-play without some proofs being recorded.

With a proper human-mining and/or proof-of-play system you will always be able to "recreate" a replay of the action that was carried out, or game that was played, and come to the same conclusion of who won it, without relying on any central authority.  In Huntercoin you can watch the whole world state progress from the very first player being created all the way up to the current state of the map, and see how every single thing played out.  In Motocoin you can replay every single map that someone won and see how they got from the start to the finish.

If you can't go back and verify the history of the game play yourself then it isn't any proof-of-play.

(P.S. There are a lot of games these days that actually do reward players for being inactive!  This is called "rest experience" usually.)
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Reply to this thread with all companies offering Proof of Play [POP] cryptocurrency.

                                                                               
                 
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What is Proof of Play [POP] ?

P.O.P. also known as Proof of Play. It's a new concept in cryptocurrency. Proof of Play reward gamers an opportunity to earn in-game cryptocurrency coins.
Most PC or mobile phone games allow the gamers to loot items in game. In the modern day, gamers can cash out those points or coins they looted inside the game and trade them for bitcoins.

Even little kids can make a lot of money while playing video games, they won't get yell at by their mother.
Their perfect excuse would be:
"Mom, but, 'P.O.P' saids I don't have to study any more, I can make a lot of money in my underwear while playing video games all day long."

You will see many popular video games companies provide this Proof of Play reward very soon. Gamers can literally make a lot of money while they play video games. No labor goes to waste.

Xbox & Playstation consoles have the ability to connect to the internet. Many companies will soon make multi-players video games using the Proof of Play concept. The cryptocurrency earned in-game will be deliver over the internet port located in the back of those video games consoles.

MMORPG games similar to PerfectWorld.com & World of Warcraft will most likely take full advantage of this Proof of Play cryptocurrency concept to reward their players.

this is a good idea, for me not only to MMORPG, but for the most of online game.
You need to talk with some publisher or software house..
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I do not have any interest in building any POP games.
This thread is for other people to use and build.

                                                                               
                 
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This is "great" but copy pasted from POM (proof of market) which is bigger and more usable concept (which has incorporated POP inot it) which was announced on 15th of September here Wink

http://www.docdroid.net/hms3/freshcoin-marketing-plan-and-feasibility-study.pdf.html

So please do not copy paste stuff and call it with different name Smiley

We have it on Freshcoin also Smiley and created as idea which is in implementation!!!

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This has to be the lamest hype/marketing thread-hijack attempt I've ever seen...

This is "great" but copy pasted from POM (proof of market)

The concept of proof-of-play was not "copy pasted" from anywhere.  The original notion goes back to some broad discussions that occurred in the community as far back as 2010.  The first "full" working implementation of a proof of play system was Motocoin, and was novel.

Your proof-of-market appears to be unrelated.  (It also doesn't appear to actually serve as any proof of anything at all, but that is another conversation for another time in another thread.)

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which is bigger and more usable concept (which has incorporated POP inot it)

In what way does your "proof of market" incorporate proof-of-play?  How does your freshcoin associate human activity to coin-base claims on a blockchain? (proof-of-play based human mining)  How do you use a cognitive workload challenge as the security function of the network?  (proof-of-play security) Do you understand the definition of proof-of-play?  Do you understand the definition of a proof, in general?

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which was announced on 15th of September here Wink

Motocoin was launched as the first proof-of-play secured coin in May.  Huntercoin (which doesn't use proof-of-play directly as a security model, but does use it indirectly to establish human mining for coin-base and subsidy claims) was launched in January. Wink

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(Someone should spell-check that noise for you.)

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So please do not copy paste stuff and call it with different name Smiley

So please do not copy paste your "whitepaper" link into an entirely unrelated thread and call it on topic.

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We have it on Freshcoin also Smiley and created as idea which is in implementation!!!

No, you really don't, and didn't.  Show me any one proof certificate over any one game played.  (You can't, so no proof-of-play is happening there.)

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October 02, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
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This has to be the lamest hype/marketing thread-hijack attempt I've ever seen...

This is "great" but copy pasted from POM (proof of market)

The concept of proof-of-play was not "copy pasted" from anywhere.  The original notion goes back to some broad discussions that occurred in the community as far back as 2010.  The first "full" working implementation of a proof of play system was Motocoin, and was novel.

Your proof-of-market appears to be unrelated.  (It also doesn't appear to actually serve as any proof of anything at all, but that is another conversation for another time in another thread.)

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which is bigger and more usable concept (which has incorporated POP inot it)

In what way does your "proof of market" incorporate proof-of-play?  How does your freshcoin associate human activity to coin-base claims on a blockchain? (proof-of-play based human mining)  How do you use a cognitive workload challenge as the security function of the network?  (proof-of-play security) Do you understand the definition of proof-of-play?  Do you understand the definition of a proof, in general?

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which was announced on 15th of September here Wink

Motocoin was launched as the first proof-of-play secured coin in May.  Huntercoin (which doesn't use proof-of-play directly as a security model, but does use it indirectly to establish human mining for coin-base and subsidy claims) was launched in January. Wink

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(Someone should spell-check that noise for you.)

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So please do not copy paste stuff and call it with different name Smiley

So please do not copy paste your "whitepaper" link into an entirely unrelated thread and call it on topic.

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We have it on Freshcoin also Smiley and created as idea which is in implementation!!!

No, you really don't, and didn't.  Show me any one proof certificate over any one game played.  (You can't, so no proof-of-play is happening there.)



Dont want to scam of FUD but here is our understanding. I see, maybe I am wrong, that lately there is lots of coins related to implementing into games. Please do not sit just on programming chair, ok coins are codes but they do not have usability for just beeing coins. We, as I said in other post, understand that it need to be connected with another concepts, like conomy. We economists like to link things and make more value to products. So that is proof in my terms. If you understand proof just in programming ok so, I am with you but connecting with other related parts of activities you need to make valuable things.

We think that crypto is going in that way. SOrry again if I injured you with words, but I see lately lots of game related coins afetr we ann marketing plan. It is just my defense mechanism becuase we imported lots of work into it.

From 15h of october I will be glad to show you games of proof of market games Smiley

Our white paper is copyright so it is not copy pasted Smiley

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October 02, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
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anyone can share a list of POP currencies?

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October 02, 2014, 05:08:26 PM
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We economists like to link things and make more value to products. So that is proof in my terms.

We mathematicians, philosophers, and logicians like to link things and make more known that what is true.  We find no higher value.

That which is true, concatenated, is proof in real terms.  Interestingly, the definition of proof is not open to debate.  In fact, if we wish to be able to make any useful conclusion about reality, at all, we must hold the definition of proof as the *only* definition that is not open to debate.

You cannot simply decide your own meaning for "proof."  To do so is irrational, and will certainly be a fast way to discredit yourself.

Proof-of-play is a specific type of proof, and you certainly don't get to decide your own meaning for it, either!

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If you understand proof just in programming ok so, I am with you but connecting with other related parts of activities you need to make valuable things.

Proof, in this context, has nothing to do with programming.  These are more fundamental philosophical questions.

I don't disagree with your notions that value of a token arises from a concern for its practical use.  I even argue that you *could* coordinate a structured proof around these activities, and that such a thing would be a great contribution.  What I do take issue with is your claim that you have done anything of the sort.  I particularly take issue with your claim that you are doing anything at all like proof-of-play, in particular.  You cannot just slap the word "proof" on a thing and try to pitch it as some meaningful contribution.  At best, this will just devalue the meaning of your contribution by being perceived as a mislabel.

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We think that crypto is going in that way. SOrry again if I injured you with words, but I see lately lots of game related coins afetr we ann marketing plan. It is just my defense mechanism becuase we imported lots of work into it.

Glass houses and stones thrown.

It is not your place to try to instinctively shoot down other "game related" coins without some meaningful claim against them.  It is very much your place to defend your own claims, if possible.  You've made some pretty bold claims now, I hope you realize... Proofs are not a thing to be taken lightly, particularly "`round these here parts."  The very special nature of proofs is the whole reason our community came to exist in the first place.  You are stepping onto something of sacred ground, here, I hope you are really ready to either defend your position on that ground, or step off of it.

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From 15h of october I will be glad to show you games of proof of market games Smiley

But can you show me any proofs?  A proof is a tangible thing.  It can be held, studied, shared, and referenced.  If you cannot show me some proofs that I can look at and assess as valid or not, you can not be making any claim of having proven something.  If you don't have a proof in hand then you don't have any "proof of market" or "proof of play" or proof of anything.

Anyway this is half off-topic for this thread.  This thread is about proof-of-play, of which you have none.  I'll leave further discussion about whether you have any sort of proof at all to your other thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807578

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Our white paper is copyright so it is not copy pasted Smiley

That is no justification for injecting it into our (unrelated) thread, on a whim, simply for the sake of trying to promote your own project, and at the expense of others.  This is inexcusable behavior, and quite unbecoming of someone with a Sr.Member title.
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October 02, 2014, 05:11:12 PM
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Someone made a good point, just making cryptocurrency specifically for games is not the true way of POP.

Most quality games companies will just ignore your cryptocurrency. Why would they use yours when they can create their own coin. Unless for some magical reason, you are able to convince big companies such as "http://store.steampowered.com/", ect... to partner with you and use your coin.

The primary focus should be in making quality free to play games such as World of War Craft, PerfectWorld.com, DCuniverseonline.com, Farmville, ect... and then you can create your own in-game cryptocurrency to reward those long term users. In a sense, it's sort of like profit sharing. A method like this will certainly attract billions of kids to play your games; they will most likely continue to download games whenever your company create a new game. As long as your cryptocurrency is useable in all games within your company's product line of high quality free to play online games (mobile, desktop, ect...).

                                                                               
                 
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October 02, 2014, 05:11:40 PM
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anyone can share a list of POP currencies?

Motocoin is, as far as Iknow, still the only coin which uses a proof-of-play security model.  Huntercoin also uses an "indirect" proof of play to allow for human mining in the game, but it uses a traditional hashing PoW for the network security.

I'm not aware of any third project, at least not any which are already public.
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