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August 29, 2016, 05:49:38 PM
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I agree with you that there is partial free will. But according to scientific laws that we know, there isn't any free will. And the free will that we have is something entirely different than what we think it is. Entirely different.

That's a next level discussion opener right there. I would say that, simultaneously, we have both free will, and at the same time, no free will at all (according to physics). I am talking about a psycho-social, spiritual level here. From a materialistic perspective, we are all going to die and there really is nothing deeper than that.

People talk all kinds of things, right? Religion, and even philosophy, are things that are believed. That is, they are not know to be fact, either at all, or at least partially.

The things I am talking are known to be science fact.

Talk is fun. It stimulates thinking. Many ideas are conveyed by talk. Ideas are ideas. Facts are facts.

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August 29, 2016, 05:55:04 PM
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The things I am talking are known to be science fact.

I would have to disagree with that one, because nothing in the world is established to be a "fact". The ideas we recognize as scientifically accurate today may nor may not hold true tomorrow. However, there is universal truth, ideas like "Everyone is equal" which would hold true regardless of what the beliefs of a person's time are.

I will also add a quote by Voltaire here:

“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.”

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August 29, 2016, 06:07:18 PM
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The things I am talking are known to be science fact.

I would have to disagree with that one, because nothing in the world is established to be a "fact". The ideas we recognize as scientifically accurate today may nor may not hold true tomorrow. However, there is universal truth, ideas like "Everyone is equal" which would hold true regardless of what the beliefs of a person's time are.

I will also add a quote by Voltaire here:

“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.”

Now you are talking philosophy.

Newton didn't formulate his 3rd law because nobody else had seen it in action. All people since the beginning have used it, and many have understood it. Newton simply was making a base for scientific study when he formulated it.

Newton's 3rd Law is fact.

Saying that it might not be fact, is philosophy or religion... or maybe simply stupidity.

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August 29, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
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The things I am talking are known to be science fact.

I would have to disagree with that one, because nothing in the world is established to be a "fact". The ideas we recognize as scientifically accurate today may nor may not hold true tomorrow. However, there is universal truth, ideas like "Everyone is equal" which would hold true regardless of what the beliefs of a person's time are.

I will also add a quote by Voltaire here:

“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.”

Now you are talking philosophy.

Newton didn't formulate his 3rd law because nobody else had seen it in action. All people since the beginning have used it, and many have understood it. Newton simply was making a base for scientific study when he formulated it.

Newton's 3rd Law is fact.

Saying that it might not be fact, is philosophy or religion... or maybe simply stupidity.

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Newton's third law is part of that universal truth, that manifested itself in different names in different cultures. The Chinese called it yin-yang, the Hindus called it karma, you just have to look, and you will find it.

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August 29, 2016, 06:42:01 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
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Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

1 Modes of speciation
    1.1 Allopatric
    1.2 Peripatric
    1.3 Parapatric
    1.4 Sympatric
        1.4.1 Example: Hawthorn fly
        1.4.2 Example: Three-spined sticklebacks
    1.5 Reinforcement
    1.6 Ecological and parallel speciation
    1.7 Sexual selection
2 Artificial speciation
3 Genetics
    3.1 Speciation via polyploidization
    3.2 Hybrid speciation
    3.3 Gene transposition
4 Historical background
    4.1 Darwin's dilemma: Why do species exist?
    4.2 The effect of sexual reproduction on species formation
5 Rates of speciation
    5.1 Punctuated evolution



Things that are not known to science:
God

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August 29, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
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Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

1 Modes of speciation
    1.1 Allopatric
    1.2 Peripatric
    1.3 Parapatric
    1.4 Sympatric
        1.4.1 Example: Hawthorn fly
        1.4.2 Example: Three-spined sticklebacks
    1.5 Reinforcement
    1.6 Ecological and parallel speciation
    1.7 Sexual selection
2 Artificial speciation
3 Genetics
    3.1 Speciation via polyploidization
    3.2 Hybrid speciation
    3.3 Gene transposition
4 Historical background
    4.1 Darwin's dilemma: Why do species exist?
    4.2 The effect of sexual reproduction on species formation
5 Rates of speciation
    5.1 Punctuated evolution



Things that are not known to science:
God

Well, great post. But, you need to specify which God we are talking about here. Zeus? Odin? Dionysis? Allah? Jesus? Some Gods are known to science, for example, the gods of whoever worships nature.

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August 29, 2016, 06:50:16 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
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Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

1 Modes of speciation
    1.1 Allopatric
    1.2 Peripatric
    1.3 Parapatric
    1.4 Sympatric
        1.4.1 Example: Hawthorn fly
        1.4.2 Example: Three-spined sticklebacks
    1.5 Reinforcement
    1.6 Ecological and parallel speciation
    1.7 Sexual selection
2 Artificial speciation
3 Genetics
    3.1 Speciation via polyploidization
    3.2 Hybrid speciation
    3.3 Gene transposition
4 Historical background
    4.1 Darwin's dilemma: Why do species exist?
    4.2 The effect of sexual reproduction on species formation
5 Rates of speciation
    5.1 Punctuated evolution



Things that are not known to science:
God

Well, great post. But, you need to specify which God we are talking about here. Zeus? Odin? Dionysis? Allah? Jesus? Some Gods are known to science, for example, the gods of whoever worships nature.

All gods...

Science has never found any evidence of any god ever

It's basically the definition of supernatural... science can only study natural phenomenon (things which exist)

Gods are supernatural (things which do not exist)

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August 29, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
Quote
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which reproductively isolated biological populations evolve to become distinct species.

1 Modes of speciation
    1.1 Allopatric
    1.2 Peripatric
    1.3 Parapatric
    1.4 Sympatric
        1.4.1 Example: Hawthorn fly
        1.4.2 Example: Three-spined sticklebacks
    1.5 Reinforcement
    1.6 Ecological and parallel speciation
    1.7 Sexual selection
2 Artificial speciation
3 Genetics
    3.1 Speciation via polyploidization
    3.2 Hybrid speciation
    3.3 Gene transposition
4 Historical background
    4.1 Darwin's dilemma: Why do species exist?
    4.2 The effect of sexual reproduction on species formation
5 Rates of speciation
    5.1 Punctuated evolution



Things that are not known to science:
God

Well, great post. But, you need to specify which God we are talking about here. Zeus? Odin? Dionysis? Allah? Jesus? Some Gods are known to science, for example, the gods of whoever worships nature.

All gods...

Science has never found any evidence of any god ever

My point was: What if your God was fire? We all know fire exists, because there is physical evidence of it. Then you wouldn't be able to say that, that particular God is not known to science.  Wink

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August 29, 2016, 06:55:30 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.





Things that are not known to science:
God

The existence of God is shown by combining the scientific facts of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy.

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August 29, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


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August 29, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


Adam live to be substantially older than 900. While we don't know how old Eve was when she died, people were healthy to live as long as they did. When you are healthy, sex is fun. Eve probably had 400 years of fun sex child bearing time. That's 400 kids+.

This kind of thing lasted the 1,600 years or so before the Flood, and for a time, after the Flood.

Like all the women were having this great fun.

The question is, why is the population so small?

Wars do you think?

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August 30, 2016, 06:30:48 AM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


Adam live to be substantially older than 900. While we don't know how old Eve was when she died, people were healthy to live as long as they did. When you are healthy, sex is fun. Eve probably had 400 years of fun sex child bearing time. That's 400 kids+.

This kind of thing lasted the 1,600 years or so before the Flood, and for a time, after the Flood.

Like all the women were having this great fun.

The question is, why is the population so small?

Wars do you think?

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Even the great Flood was mathematically impossible. Thanks for reminding me. At some point within those 6,000 years, life had to start all over again, this time, Noah had to incestuously copulate with his family, as well as the other animals in the ark in an attempt to recreate civilization. It does say "all the species", so where did they store the parasites?

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August 30, 2016, 06:41:00 AM
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Those laws are from exodus, those are moses times. The new laws are during christ time. Its the spiritual laws that matters now and not the physical laws just as in the ten commandments are not valid ainymore.

The change or priesthood will also change the governing laws.

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August 30, 2016, 06:49:12 AM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


Adam live to be substantially older than 900. While we don't know how old Eve was when she died, people were healthy to live as long as they did. When you are healthy, sex is fun. Eve probably had 400 years of fun sex child bearing time. That's 400 kids+.

This kind of thing lasted the 1,600 years or so before the Flood, and for a time, after the Flood.

Like all the women were having this great fun.

The question is, why is the population so small?

Wars do you think?

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Even the great Flood was mathematically impossible. Thanks for reminding me. At some point within those 6,000 years, life had to start all over again, this time, Noah had to incestuously copulate with his family, as well as the other animals in the ark in an attempt to recreate civilization. It does say "all the species", so where did they store the parasites?

It has been found that there is more water locked up in the mantle of the earth than all the oceans combined.

We don't like the idea of incest, and biblically it is commanded not to be done. But when you live for hundreds of years like Noah, his sons, and many people through several hundred years after the flood, the health to do this - incest - overcomes the health disadvantages of incest. In addition, the no-incest command was given at the exodus, hundreds of years after Noah.

Since Noah wasn't an animal, the "other animals" wording implies wrong thinking.

Well, where do you keep your parasites?

The fossil record shows at least 3 times the number of species back "then" as there are alive today. Noah took on board all the species he was commanded to take by God.

No Christian BS here. Simply lack of understanding or worse on the part of the secular world.

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August 30, 2016, 06:51:20 AM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


Adam live to be substantially older than 900. While we don't know how old Eve was when she died, people were healthy to live as long as they did. When you are healthy, sex is fun. Eve probably had 400 years of fun sex child bearing time. That's 400 kids+.

This kind of thing lasted the 1,600 years or so before the Flood, and for a time, after the Flood.

Like all the women were having this great fun.

The question is, why is the population so small?

Wars do you think?

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Even the great Flood was mathematically impossible. Thanks for reminding me. At some point within those 6,000 years, life had to start all over again, this time, Noah had to incestuously copulate with his family, as well as the other animals in the ark in an attempt to recreate civilization. It does say "all the species", so where did they store the parasites?

It has been found that there is more water locked up in the mantle of the earth than all the oceans combined.

We don't like the idea of incest, and biblically it is commanded not to be done. But when you live for hundreds of years like Noah, his sons, and many people through several hundred years after the flood, the health to do this - incest - overcomes the health disadvantages of incest. In addition, the no-incest command was given at the exodus, hundreds of years after Noah.

Since Noah wasn't an animal, the "other animals" wording implies wrong thinking.

Well, where do you keep your parasites?

The fossil record shows at least 3 times the number of species back "then" as there are alive today. Noah took on board all the species he was commanded to take by God.

No Christian BS here. Simply lack of understanding or worse on the part of the secular world.

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If I had to refute all your BS point by point, it would be a very long post, definitely not worth it. I have bolded the part where you acknowledge "incest for the greater good of mankind" though! You know what else the fossil record proves? That's right, evolution.


Those laws are from exodus, those are moses times. The new laws are during christ time. Its the spiritual laws that matters now and not the physical laws just as in the ten commandments are not valid ainymore.

The change or priesthood will also change the governing laws.

If you think the OT is no longer relevant, it means you embrace incest, because nowhere in the NT is incest forbidden. Lol.

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August 30, 2016, 06:56:28 AM
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Those laws are from exodus, those are moses times. The new laws are during christ time. Its the spiritual laws that matters now and not the physical laws just as in the ten commandments are not valid ainymore.

The change or priesthood will also change the governing laws.

The Ten Commandments are the best basic form for showing love. Love was the important thing in the O.T., like it is the important thing now. So, just like love is valid now, the TC are valid now.

The things that are not valid now are the Jewish ceremonial laws - not valid because the Messiah came and fulfilled them - and the governmental laws designed for the government of Israel - which was very free for individual people of the time. Of course, any nation can decide it wants the governing law of Israel, but in the Bible, they were only for ancient Israel.

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August 30, 2016, 07:02:35 AM
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Things that are known to science:
Evolution is a fact
Probability math shows that evolution is impossible. The thing that science calls evolution is simply complex cause and effect... programming of the universe and life.

Actually, the myth that Adam and Eve incestuously copulated and led to our current population today in just a matter of 6,000 years is what is mathematically impossible.


Adam live to be substantially older than 900. While we don't know how old Eve was when she died, people were healthy to live as long as they did. When you are healthy, sex is fun. Eve probably had 400 years of fun sex child bearing time. That's 400 kids+.

This kind of thing lasted the 1,600 years or so before the Flood, and for a time, after the Flood.

Like all the women were having this great fun.

The question is, why is the population so small?

Wars do you think?

Cool

Even the great Flood was mathematically impossible. Thanks for reminding me. At some point within those 6,000 years, life had to start all over again, this time, Noah had to incestuously copulate with his family, as well as the other animals in the ark in an attempt to recreate civilization. It does say "all the species", so where did they store the parasites?

It has been found that there is more water locked up in the mantle of the earth than all the oceans combined.

We don't like the idea of incest, and biblically it is commanded not to be done. But when you live for hundreds of years like Noah, his sons, and many people through several hundred years after the flood, the health to do this - incest - overcomes the health disadvantages of incest. In addition, the no-incest command was given at the exodus, hundreds of years after Noah.

Since Noah wasn't an animal, the "other animals" wording implies wrong thinking.

Well, where do you keep your parasites?

The fossil record shows at least 3 times the number of species back "then" as there are alive today. Noah took on board all the species he was commanded to take by God.

No Christian BS here. Simply lack of understanding or worse on the part of the secular world.

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If I had to refute all your BS point by point, it would be a very long post, definitely not worth it. I have bolded the part where you acknowledge "incest for the greater good of mankind" though! You know what else the fossil record proves? That's right, evolution.


I don't like long posts either, but sometimes they are necessary to get a point across.

I don't see anything wrong with the bolded part, except that it could have been worded a little better I suppose.

The fossil record totally proves that no evolution could have taken place. No missing links in it.

What the fossil record DOES prove is that there were no thousands or hundreds of thousands of years for the fossils to form. Seems like people forget about the little word "rot" when they look at the fossils. Delicate ferns that are preserved as fossils would have rotted away long before they could have fossilized, if fossilization took thousands of years.

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August 30, 2016, 07:07:53 AM
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So, you get to pick and choose what parts of the OT are still relevant, like the ten commandments?

Alright, then. The ten commandments still do not prohibit incest in any way. You wanna show me where in the NT incest is forbidden?

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This topic smells like a butthurt liberal sjw crap  Smiley

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August 30, 2016, 07:26:46 AM
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So, you get to pick and choose what parts of the OT are still relevant, like the ten commandments?
No. The O.T. tells you what parts of itself are relevant to whom. Nobody other than ancient Israel was given the ceremonial law. The O.T. specifically states what parts of the laws of Israel were for foreigners passing through Israel lands, and which parts weren't.

The moral laws are for everyone, because everyone is under the same human condition. Obviously, the governmental laws are different for each nation.



Alright, then. The ten commandments still do not prohibit incest in any way. You wanna show me where in the NT incest is forbidden?

Look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible and here http://www.gotquestions.org/incest-in-the-Bible.html.

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