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August 30, 2016, 05:08:54 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

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Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

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August 30, 2016, 06:36:38 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies
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August 30, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

They also tend to skip over the gruesome, blood thirsty, vengeful, violent, pornographic, misogynistic, homophobic verses when reading verses out loud. If Christians read their Bible, they would know that God is not pro-life, so it makes no sense to oppose abortion. There is a verse in Hosea where he commands the blood thirsty warriors of God to rip pregnant women open with swords, dashing their unborn into pieces.

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August 30, 2016, 09:10:44 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

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Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Few people can sit down and in one reading read the whole Bible. That's why it is done in multiple sittings. In addition, the topics are so diverse that reading it straight would bring about confusion.

In addition, most Christians today are not Jewish or of ancient Israel or even the Middle East. Because of this, people don't understand some of the simple ideas that the Bible is conveying, because the words of a culture not their own don't make any sense to them. Bible classes are in part a way to show Middle East thinking to people so they can get the Bible in the right context.

However, the Bible understanding about the love of God, God's desire for perfection in people, Gods anger against imperfection, the salvation that God supplies for people who are destroying themselves by fighting God, and a lot more things, are understandable. People who trash basic Bible understanding do it willingly. They shut themselves out of Heaven.

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August 30, 2016, 09:15:11 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

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Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

They also tend to skip over the gruesome, blood thirsty, vengeful, violent, pornographic, misogynistic, homophobic verses when reading verses out loud. If Christians read their Bible, they would know that God is not pro-life, so it makes no sense to oppose abortion. There is a verse in Hosea where he commands the blood thirsty warriors of God to rip pregnant women open with swords, dashing their unborn into pieces.

Anyone who rejects God, and especially Jesus salvation, will go to Hell. Hell will be a lot worse than "gruesome, blood thirsty, vengeful, violent, pornographic, misogynistic, homophobic verses." It will be way worse than righteous warriors of God ripping open "pregnant women open with swords" and killing their unborn children.

The whole Bible, including Hosea, is a warning to all of us. God doesn't want it to happen, but by our sin and unbelief, we are twisting God into doing... Hell.

Turn, while you have time.

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August 30, 2016, 09:20:36 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

You are especially blessed to have me here to tell you how important the Bible is for your salvation. Your friends, obviously, didn't have the proper urging. But you can be saved, because I am helping you if you will only accept it.

Like your friends, if you reject, you will not be saved.

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August 30, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

You are especially blessed to have me here to tell you how important the Bible is for your salvation. Your friends, obviously, didn't have the proper urging. But you can be saved, because I am helping you if you will only accept it.

Like your friends, if you reject, you will not be saved.

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Usually when someone claims that you need "saving" from something that cannot be proven, they are trying to sell you something. Psychiatry is a great example of this. Religion is another.

I should report you for scamming (Just kidding).

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August 30, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
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Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

You are especially blessed to have me here to tell you how important the Bible is for your salvation. Your friends, obviously, didn't have the proper urging. But you can be saved, because I am helping you if you will only accept it.

Like your friends, if you reject, you will not be saved.

Cool

Usually when someone claims that you need "saving" from something that cannot be proven, they are trying to sell you something. Psychiatry is a great example of this. Religion is another.

I should report you for scamming (Just kidding).

Right. Death is not proven. It is only obvious.    Cool
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August 31, 2016, 12:46:41 AM
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I believe the sun shines every day and thats my god.

So your God is the solar messiah? Christians do worship on Sunday after all. It's not a coincidence.

no just the sun itself. i go out in the morning to have sunlight that's just it. nothing more nothing less. whatever that sun is.

I do read the bible and seem fun to read how they turn out and how exactly the people are back then and today. 

Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

You are especially blessed to have me here to tell you how important the Bible is for your salvation. Your friends, obviously, didn't have the proper urging. But you can be saved, because I am helping you if you will only accept it.

Like your friends, if you reject, you will not be saved.

Cool

Usually when someone claims that you need "saving" from something that cannot be proven, they are trying to sell you something. Psychiatry is a great example of this. Religion is another.

I should report you for scamming (Just kidding).

Right. Death is not proven. It is only obvious.    Cool

They're all meant for businesses. you could earn millions if you are a psychotic and be a mortician as well.

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August 31, 2016, 02:48:47 AM
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I believe the sun shines every day and thats my god.

So your God is the solar messiah? Christians do worship on Sunday after all. It's not a coincidence.

no just the sun itself. i go out in the morning to have sunlight that's just it. nothing more nothing less. whatever that sun is.

I do read the bible and seem fun to read how they turn out and how exactly the people are back then and today. 

Christianity is so contradictory

+1

Christians are simply unwilling to take the time to think about what they are reading in the bible, if at all.

LOL... Christians don't actually read their bible... if they read it, they would become Atheists

LOL!

That's why there are Bible classes in churches all around the world

Exactly my point... Christians need cherry picked verses read to them...

They do not read it themselves, cover to cover... or they would become atheists

When in doubt... ask google:
https://www.google.com/#q=the+fastest+way+to+become+an+atheist

Agree. I didn't really care when I was younger. A friend of mine went to a few hallelujah meetings and was "born again"
He asked me to read the bible and I did. The book is really disgusting. I have been an atheist ever since.
I talked to my friend and told him to read the book. He is also an atheist after he did it.
The things he was told about the bible in church turned out to be lies

You are especially blessed to have me here to tell you how important the Bible is for your salvation. Your friends, obviously, didn't have the proper urging. But you can be saved, because I am helping you if you will only accept it.

Like your friends, if you reject, you will not be saved.

Cool

Usually when someone claims that you need "saving" from something that cannot be proven, they are trying to sell you something. Psychiatry is a great example of this. Religion is another.

I should report you for scamming (Just kidding).

Right. Death is not proven. It is only obvious.    Cool

They're all meant for businesses. you could earn millions if you are a psychotic and be a mortician as well.

Morticians and their associates are some of the most compassionate, caring people around. They have to be, because the relatives and friends of their customers would see through them if they weren't, and they would lose business.

The Business of God is making human life and saving it from itself. God doesn't care how His workers are defined, even as psychotics. God wants salvation for the people He created. And if a person is a psychotic mortician, the job just might get done better. It's business... God's business.

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August 31, 2016, 09:14:03 AM
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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley


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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

The explanation is in the word "God." And the clarification of it is in "God Almighty." There can't be an explanation for God almighty because He is way beyond us in everything He does.

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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

The explanation is in the word "God." And the clarification of it is in "God Almighty." There can't be an explanation for God almighty because He is way beyond us in everything He does.

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The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed. For example, he will kill some guy for picking up sticks on Saturday, but let another get drunk and impregnate his daughters (shortly after turning his wife into a pillar of salt for turning her neck, that is).

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September 01, 2016, 02:53:00 PM
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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

The explanation is in the word "God." And the clarification of it is in "God Almighty." There can't be an explanation for God almighty because He is way beyond us in everything He does.

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The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed. For example, he will kill some guy for picking up sticks on Saturday, but let another get drunk and impregnate his daughters (shortly after turning his wife into a pillar of salt for turning her neck, that is).

And again. It appears like this to us because we don't know what was in the hearts of those people, nor the circumstances of the situations... except maybe in general. However, God protects His own. In addition, God protects all people by letting them die when living is something that is extremely unbearable for them. I mean, why live an extra hundred years after you are so pathetically worn out that living is a daily pain?

Another example. Some unbeliever might die at 25, while a believer might die at 75. The believer dies so much older because God is allowing him to rack up points in Heaven for the evangelizing he is doing while alive. But God is allowing the younger person to die, because He sees that the guy will never turn to God, and God is protecting him from the Hell punishment for additional sinning that he might do if he lived longer.

Not really so mysterious.

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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

The explanation is in the word "God." And the clarification of it is in "God Almighty." There can't be an explanation for God almighty because He is way beyond us in everything He does.

Cool

The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed. For example, he will kill some guy for picking up sticks on Saturday, but let another get drunk and impregnate his daughters (shortly after turning his wife into a pillar of salt for turning her neck, that is).

And again. It appears like this to us because we don't know what was in the hearts of those people, nor the circumstances of the situations... except maybe in general. However, God protects His own. In addition, God protects all people by letting them die when living is something that is extremely unbearable for them. I mean, why live an extra hundred years after you are so pathetically worn out that living is a daily pain?

Another example. Some unbeliever might die at 25, while a believer might die at 75. The believer dies so much older because God is allowing him to rack up points in Heaven for the evangelizing he is doing while alive. But God is allowing the younger person to die, because He sees that the guy will never turn to God, and God is protecting him from the Hell punishment for additional sinning that he might do if he lived longer.

Not really so mysterious.

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I have bolded out the Orwellian parts that will help you see why you sound like a fascist eugenicist. "God protects his own"? That's Nationalism. "God protects all people by letting them die?" That's Orwellian. "Why live an extra hundred years after you are so pathetically worn out that living is a daily pain"? That's eugenics.

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I think the Christians in this thread need a warm congratulations from us all.
Giving us such a real deep in-depth demonstration of the BS they speak, has been a real eye-opener for the rest of us and must be quite fatiguing for them to constantly keep their BS levels high.

Thanks.  Smiley



Lol, ain't it brilliant??

Among the greatest miracles of the Bible include the ability to spew out even the most absurd of claims, and still have otherwise reasonably intelligent Christians suffer from cognitive dissonance as they attempt to explain how something so mundane can be correct, like God creating plants before the Sun.

The explanation is in the word "God." And the clarification of it is in "God Almighty." There can't be an explanation for God almighty because He is way beyond us in everything He does.

Cool

The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed. For example, he will kill some guy for picking up sticks on Saturday, but let another get drunk and impregnate his daughters (shortly after turning his wife into a pillar of salt for turning her neck, that is).

And again. It appears like this to us because we don't know what was in the hearts of those people, nor the circumstances of the situations... except maybe in general. However, God protects His own. In addition, God protects all people by letting them die when living is something that is extremely unbearable for them. I mean, why live an extra hundred years after you are so pathetically worn out that living is a daily pain?

Another example. Some unbeliever might die at 25, while a believer might die at 75. The believer dies so much older because God is allowing him to rack up points in Heaven for the evangelizing he is doing while alive. But God is allowing the younger person to die, because He sees that the guy will never turn to God, and God is protecting him from the Hell punishment for additional sinning that he might do if he lived longer.

Not really so mysterious.

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I have bolded out the Orwellian parts that will help you see why you sound like a fascist eugenicist. "God protects his own"? That's Nationalism. "God protects all people by letting them die?" That's Orwellian. "Why live an extra hundred years after you are so pathetically worn out that living is a daily pain"? That's eugenics.

Nationalism? Eugenics? You got it, Buddy. You are finally waking up, right? See the below happening from Daniel in the Bible. The end of it is happening right now. The reign of the "Rock" nation is about to formally start.

From Daniel 2:1-3:
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1 In the second year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams; his mind was troubled and he could not sleep.

2 So the king summoned the magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologersdto tell him what he had dreamed. When they came in and stood before the king,

3 he said to them, “I have had a dream that troubles me and I want to know what it means.”

Then, later, from Daniel 2:24-35:
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24 Then Daniel went to Arioch, whom the king had appointed to execute the wise men of Babylon, and said to him, “Do not execute the wise men of Babylon. Take me to the king, and I will interpret his dream for him.”

25 Arioch took Daniel to the king at once and said, “I have found a man among the exiles from Judah who can tell the king what his dream means.”

26 The king asked Daniel (also called Belteshazzar), “Are you able to tell me what I saw in my dream and interpret it?”

27 Daniel replied, “No wise man, enchanter, magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about,

28 but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. He has shown King Nebuchadnezzar what will happen in days to come. Your dream and the visions that passed through your mind as you lay on your bed are these:

29 “As you were lying there, O king, your mind turned to things to come, and the revealer of mysteries showed you what is going to happen.

30 As for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because I have greater wisdom than other living men, but so that you, O king, may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through your mind.

31 “You looked, O king, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.

32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,

33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.

34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.

35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth."

Next, God's interpretation of the dream, through Daniel. Daniel 2:36-45 :
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36 “This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king.

37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory;

38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air.

Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.

39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.

40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.

42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.

43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”


Interpretation of the interpretation. Genearlly the head of gold is interpreted to mean the nation of Babylon.

The "following kingdom " is  Media/Persia, a couple of nations that were closely united.

The third kingdom, the bronze one, is ancient Greece.

The fourth kingdom, strong like iron, is the Roman Empire, and might be the Roman Catholic Church.

The iron mixed with clay represents all nations that follow Rome, but do not keep its strength.

The rock, cut out of a mountain but not by hands, which smashed the whole statue, is the Kingdom of God. Not only will it smash all nations and yet remain, but it has done so in the past. This rock might be referring to Jesus, Himself.

Finally, you are getting there.

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September 01, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
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I am a very swift reader, and I could have easily gone through your entire post in just fifteen seconds. Yet, I merely chose to skim through it. Don't try to preach to me over the internet, and on Bitcointalk out of all places.

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I am a very swift reader, and I could have easily gone through your entire post in just fifteen seconds. Yet, I merely chose to skim through it. Don't try to preach to me over the internet, and on Bitcointalk out of all places.

Poor little baby. Can't take it, can you. Now that you are being forced to wake up a little, you simply roll over so that you can get some more sleep on the other side, right?

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I love how a topic I made back in 2014 is still managing to piss people off Cheesy
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