[XMR] vs [BBR] - Fight!! - CryptoNote War

[windjc]

Whilist I admire Boolberry and cryptozoidberg (Generally I admire any talented developer), the reasons for XMR being larger is because the blockchain scaling is not a problem at all in my opinion. Even Bitcoin at 20 gb blockchain is nothing, Gavin is already trying to solve this with Bitcoin and any improvement could be forked over to CryptoNote. The whole scaling problem will be solved one way or another in the future by some genius dev I am not the slightest worried it will be a problem.

XMR dev team is larger than BBR, the dev team consist of atleast 10+ different developers while Boolberry have one dedicated one named cryptozoidberg, while he should have cred for his efforts, I personally believe XMR is the better investment here. Purely speaking from an investment perspective I think any change that would be made to Boolberry for the better could be ported over to XMR easily.

Monero have a better branding name, bigger following and a seems to be the winner the marked picked in this race for anonymity.
It is clearly the winner among the CryptoNote coins.

Bigger is not better. This is a MYTH. Satoshi proved this and so have other leading devs - BTCNext, JL777, etc.

However, plans are in the works to bring in other developers to build out the BBR eco-system.. In fact, I have been contacted by several already just this week. And, one of the best in crypto, JL777 is already providing an amazing 3rd party platform through SuperNet to support the distribution of BBR.

Monero isn't a better branding name. It does have a bigger speculation following, but relatively speaking both coins are small in following. There is no WINNER. The best winner in ANON TECH will be the best ANON TECH.

You have been fed a pack of lies. You have bought into those lies. Going forward - over next 3-6 months you will see that all your points were just myths, based on nothing but hype and propaganda.

But don't take my word for it. Watch this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.4780 and decide for yourself in the coming weeks.

Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. The best possible team size to have is a size of 4-9 people. Monero devs have 7, Boolberry has just 1.

Also, Satoshi Nakamoto was most likely more than 1 person, as shown by his use of the word "we" in replies.

Monero is a hugely better branding name, Boolberry sounds like a brand of cereal, not a currency.

Ok. :/

[25hashcoin]

Monero will be #3 market cap soon.

[windjc]

Monero will be #3 market cap soon.

That would be great actually. If that happened, then BBR would probably be top 10. With room to grow.

[slapper]

XMR dev team is larger than BBR, the dev team consist of atleast 10+ different developers

Cool trolling bro. So the lies and propaganda shit you were told to buy this shit coin is what you are now passing on in hopes others will buy similar shit.

Who are the 10 developers? Can you show me which developers we are talking about and what their commits are ? and that too on a coin which is a simple shit clone.

while Boolberry have one dedicated one named cryptozoidberg

MMM no mmkay. It has 3 developers who have pushed code and are working with zoidberg, but obviously he has more command and knowledge. And more are joining.

You can continue shilling for your shit coin. No lies please, we are internets.

[Ultros]

You know what I don't like in BBR? Some of its vocal supporters. Look above and despair.

Thanks a lot for raising the level OP, because all others are so obnoxious it doesn't really lure. Crypto Zoidberg does a fantastic job, but the community...well. I can't say I saw the best of it in the last weeks.

I own both XMR and BBR btw, so don't bother accusing me of taking a side. I want both to succeed, unlike all those unbearable warmongers that can't appreciate competition.

[fluffypony]

Cool trolling bro. So the lies and propaganda shit you were told to buy this shit coin is what you are now passing on in hopes others will buy similar shit.

Who are the 10 developers? Can you show me which developers we are talking about and what their commits are ? and that too on a coin which is a simple shit clone.

MMM no mmkay. It has 3 developers who have pushed code and are working with zoidberg, but obviously he has more command and knowledge. And more are joining.

You can continue shilling for your shit coin. No lies please, we are internets.

Check GitHub (although it only shows details for master on both repos, so commits to other branches won't be represented)

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/graphs/contributors

[Bassica]

Monero will be #3 market cap soon.

That would be great actually. If that happened, then BBR would probably be top 10. With room to grow.

Why are you focussing on XMR this much? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to compete with other anon-tech's instead of fighting eachother?

Let's focus on making the pie bigger as a whole instead of scraping crums of eachother. Once we have a decent sized pie we can start focussing on the individual differences. The chances of cryptonote becoming THE default anon tech is much larger if you have 2 (or more) solid coins than just one (also less harder to defeat, whoever the enemy may be). And frankly, I believe that battle is way harder ánd more important right now. 

Think about it please. Some people on this forum are fighting the wrong fight (on BOTH sides). Waste of energy, time and resources. Let's kick some ass a cryptonote community instead of indiv coin-communities.

[slapper]

Cool trolling bro. So the lies and propaganda shit you were told to buy this shit coin is what you are now passing on in hopes others will buy similar shit.

Who are the 10 developers? Can you show me which developers we are talking about and what their commits are ? and that too on a coin which is a simple shit clone.

MMM no mmkay. It has 3 developers who have pushed code and are working with zoidberg, but obviously he has more command and knowledge. And more are joining.

You can continue shilling for your shit coin. No lies please, we are internets.

Check GitHub (although it only shows details for master on both repos, so commits to other branches won't be represented)

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/graphs/contributors

I did. It doesn't tell what is going on does it? (and you knew that already anyways) For example we all know you are not a developer., neither is David Latapie (whose job is to suck Risto and is now planted in Malla), or othe, or smooth or eizh or Noodle (whose initial miner optimizations were great appreciate, no offence Noodle). That takes out 6 of you from 7 "core team". Other names come from the forks like the BCN developer amjuarez is listed a contributor.

Only tacotime is a developer and some of the other commits are from paid outsourced people which BBR can also get if they want. Only they don't, the people committing are doing it for free for the love of code and the BBR project. Those who like the coin can contribute anytime. They are being led by the best developer of CryptoNote to help them and help each other.

The rest of you want money via dev funds to pay more outsourced work and maybe pocket some yourself for trolling the forums 24x7 and call it core team. Shameless pricks.

The era of lying through your teeth to get dumb newbies money is over. You lying shills have turned this into a crypto company as opposed to a crypto currency.

[samaricanin]

Wait.
Is it true?

[OrientA]

I have the impression that XMR has more developers than BBR. But it may not matter.

[Febo]

2 of important comparisons you should for sure put in here should be:
- daily trading, best in last month, since one day is not so perfect.
- hash power, again average of at least a week.

Volume is that if you buy coins you will be easily able to sell. HAshpower is more stable network and less chances of this attack that CN was facing last days a lot on this forum.

[windjc]

Wait.
Is it true?

Yes.

[damiano]

Bigger isn't always better.  Time will tell which one takes the lead. 

I own both, but at this point i'm leaning more to BBR since Supernet.... jl777 is a coding monster and I have full faith in him

[rangedriver]

I think ultimately it's going to be more about XMR vs NEOS but we shall see.

[Este Nuno]

Gavin is already trying to solve this with Bitcoin and any improvement could be forked over to CryptoNote.

I don't see how what Gavin is doing applies here. Different technologies. One Bitcoin transaction is recorded as one transaction, not n mixins.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure typical blockchain pruning methods that might work on Bitcoin don't work on the CN coins. The developers are going to have to invent novel ways to reduce the size. Although I've heard it mentioned that anything more than linear reduction is probably impossible, but that was a while ago.

[RedZeppelin]

Gavin is already trying to solve this with Bitcoin and any improvement could be forked over to CryptoNote.

I don't see how what Gavin is doing applies here. Different technologies. One Bitcoin transaction is recorded as one transaction, not n mixins.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure typical blockchain pruning methods that might work on Bitcoin don't work on the CN coins. The developers are going to have to invent novel ways to reduce the size. Although I've heard it mentioned that anything more than linear reduction is probably impossible, but that was a while ago.

Skinnkavaj is only trying to sell Monero with any arguments possible it can be "blablablabla" as long as it sounds good in random
retards ears that make up for 50% of these forums, there is Moneros market - thats why its marketed in a certain way,

[fluffypony]

I did. It doesn't tell what is going on does it? (and you knew that already anyways) For example we all know you are not a developer., neither is David Latapie (whose job is to suck Risto and is now planted in Malla), or othe, or smooth or eizh or Noodle (whose initial miner optimizations were great appreciate, no offence Noodle). That takes out 6 of you from 7 "core team".

You know nothing about me or about where my knowledge, skills, and experience lie. You conflate the amount of work necessary to bring a well thought out feature to fruition with the act of writing the lines of code. Would you, for example, think that a sysadmin who is in a devops role is less valuable than the code monkey he supports? Would you consider the eloquent design from a database architect somehow less worthy than the moron that spits out a few classes for the DAL? Would you argue that the hours of design effort a UI specialist puts into making a wizard intuitive and beautiful should not have his efforts held high against the junior developer who wired up the buttons?

True innovation does not come from code churn. It also does not come from design alone. It comes from straddling the line between well thought through design and the actual implementation. That is predominantly where the core team is and should be focused. It is, therefore, true that the bulk of my work is more architectural than anything else, but you clearly have not actually looked at the github link I provided:



So I guess despite me never claiming that I am a developer, my openly visible commits are there to demonstrate that I am also not incapable of developing.

Unsurprisingly, it is much the same with Bitcoin, where the contributors with the most commits are not always the people doing the bigger picture, design-level efforts: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors (pay particular attention to where gavinandresen is in that, for instance).

The worst thing with your obsession with the metric is that it's embarrassingly outmoded. Even Bill Gates famously said: "Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs."

Other names come from the forks like the BCN developer amjuarez is listed a contributor.

Let's take all 17 names and check to see if they're contributing to "the forks", shall we? You clearly seem to be against lying, so let's make sure you're being accurate. Incidentally, where it says "N commit(s)" under the person's name, you can click on it to see their commits on the project. Probably should have done that first before making such a boldly inaccurate statement.

• fluffypony - me, obviously
• mikezackles - contributor to Monero only
• tewinget - contributor to Monero only
• NoodleDoodle - Monero core team
• decred - contributor to Monero only
• Neozaru - contributor to Monero only
• jakoblind - contributor to Monero only
• Jebes - contributor to Monero only
• paybee - contributor to Monero only
• Jojatekok - contributor to Monero only
• amjuarez - original Bytecoin account
• ekimmo - contributor to Monero only
• vertoe - contributor to Monero only
• tomerkon - contributor to Monero only
• rfree - contributor to Monero only, maybe you need to check his commits first: https://github.com/rfree2monero/bitmonero/commits/development
• zone117x - contributor to Monero only (he wrote our pool software that all of the CN coins use, so pay some respect)
• artifexd - contributor to Monero only

And here I thought you were against the "lying shills", only to discover you are one. For shame!

-some more nonsense-
-picture of fluffypony's beautiful face-

I'd love to see what your contributions have been to, well, anything besides pseudonymously trolling on the Internet. Clearly you lack the self-confidence required to put yourself up on a live video stream and accept...*gasp*...that people will see your face, and that's ok. I understand. I have had friends who have had serious self-confidence issues, and I want to tell you that it gets better. Your life will get better. And when it gets to that point I have no doubt you'll look back on this era and realise that you accomplished nothing by writing nonsense on a forum on the Internet.

[robinwilliams]

flapper being spanked

Teeeee heeee - somebody got SPANKED.

i've watched ur vids fluffy and I'd do you if I was gay ... sexy accent  

[rangedriver]

I did. It doesn't tell what is going on does it? (and you knew that already anyways) For example we all know you are not a developer., neither is David Latapie (whose job is to suck Risto and is now planted in Malla), or othe, or smooth or eizh or Noodle (whose initial miner optimizations were great appreciate, no offence Noodle). That takes out 6 of you from 7 "core team".

You know nothing about me or about where my knowledge, skills, and experience lie. You conflate the amount of work necessary to bring a well thought out feature to fruition with the act of writing the lines of code. Would you, for example, think that a sysadmin who is in a devops role is less valuable than the code monkey he supports? Would you consider the eloquent design from a database architect somehow less worthy than the moron that spits out a few classes for the DAL? Would you argue that the hours of design effort a UI specialist puts into making a wizard intuitive and beautiful should not have his efforts held high against the junior developer who wired up the buttons?

True innovation does not come from code churn. It also does not come from design alone. It comes from straddling the line between well thought through design and the actual implementation. That is predominantly where the core team is and should be focused. It is, therefore, true that the bulk of my work is more architectural than anything else, but you clearly have not actually looked at the github link I provided:



So I guess despite me never claiming that I am a developer, my openly visible commits are there to demonstrate that I am also not incapable of developing.

Unsurprisingly, it is much the same with Bitcoin, where the contributors with the most commits are not always the people doing the bigger picture, design-level efforts: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors (pay particular attention to where gavinandresen is in that, for instance).

The worst thing with your obsession with the metric is that it's embarrassingly outmoded. Even Bill Gates famously said: "Measuring software productivity by lines of code is like measuring progress on an airplane by how much it weighs."

Other names come from the forks like the BCN developer amjuarez is listed a contributor.

Let's take all 17 names and check to see if they're contributing to "the forks", shall we? You clearly seem to be against lying, so let's make sure you're being accurate. Incidentally, where it says "N commit(s)" under the person's name, you can click on it to see their commits on the project. Probably should have done that first before making such a boldly inaccurate statement.

• fluffypony - me, obviously
• mikezackles - contributor to Monero only
• tewinget - contributor to Monero only
• NoodleDoodle - Monero core team
• decred - contributor to Monero only
• Neozaru - contributor to Monero only
• jakoblind - contributor to Monero only
• Jebes - contributor to Monero only
• paybee - contributor to Monero only
• Jojatekok - contributor to Monero only
• amjuarez - original Bytecoin account
• ekimmo - contributor to Monero only
• vertoe - contributor to Monero only
• tomerkon - contributor to Monero only
• rfree - contributor to Monero only, maybe you need to check his commits first: https://github.com/rfree2monero/bitmonero/commits/development
• zone117x - contributor to Monero only (he wrote our pool software that all of the CN coins use, so pay some respect)
• artifexd - contributor to Monero only

And here I thought you were against the "lying shills", only to discover you are one. For shame!

-some more nonsense-
-picture of fluffypony's beautiful face-

I'd love to see what your contributions have been to, well, anything besides pseudonymously trolling on the Internet. Clearly you lack the self-confidence required to put yourself up on a live video stream and accept...*gasp*...that people will see your face, and that's ok. I understand. I have had friends who have had serious self-confidence issues, and I want to tell you that it gets better. Your life will get better. And when it gets to that point I have no doubt you'll look back on this era and realise that you accomplished nothing by writing nonsense on a forum on the Internet.

Well said.

[exciter0]

OP, you forgot this comparison:

Mining fee for dev (aka, tax on the stupid  ): 

• BBR: 1% mandatory
• XMR: 0%

Advantage: XMR

If you mine on a pool, you cannot turn off this fee. Cunning, this CZ dude, he realizes most will mine at pools and won't be able to turn off.
 
Now the fee itself is not bad, devs need to be compensated; but the fact it was enabled since the start of the coin is. It's more respectable to have this fee be decided by the community or from donation, which is what XMR is doing.  Admittedly volunteered donation is not too effective though.

Also, CZ being a single dev possesses a serious single point of failure for BBR. God forbid should CZ have some health issue in the future, who will carry the torch? windjc? slapper?