Religion shitlist

[BADecker]

WTF are you talking about?!
The shitlist is by DOCTRINE, on personal basis there are Muslim pacifists and violent Buddhists. The list refers to what the religion preaches.
Atheism has no doctrines, the only doctrine is "there is no God", absolutely nothing else.

All the religions are practiced incorrectly by at least some of their people. All the religions have people who are ignorant of some of the tenets of their very own religion. Since it has not been proven that God does NOT exist (even by atheists), atheism is a religion, and one that attempts to hide the fact that atheists are setting themselves up as god, simply by denying the existence of God, without being able to prove that God doesn't exist.

ok so you dont know what atheism is either.
We are not denying anything, we are saying there is no proof of a being like that

C'mon, that's like saying there is no proof for atheism. 

[cooldgamer]

WTF are you talking about?!
The shitlist is by DOCTRINE, on personal basis there are Muslim pacifists and violent Buddhists. The list refers to what the religion preaches.
Atheism has no doctrines, the only doctrine is "there is no God", absolutely nothing else.

All the religions are practiced incorrectly by at least some of their people. All the religions have people who are ignorant of some of the tenets of their very own religion. Since it has not been proven that God does NOT exist (even by atheists), atheism is a religion, and one that attempts to hide the fact that atheists are setting themselves up as god, simply by denying the existence of God, without being able to prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove to me that santa dont excist and I will prove with the same argument that God dont excist

Prove that Santa doesn't exist, and you will have the exact proofs that show you that God DOES exist.

And you are incorrect.  There's this thing called the burden of proof when making a claim (that there is a god)

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

[Daengineer]

The strugle of the exsistance of god.

Personally believe what ever you will jusy dont turn a blind eye to intelligence. People use religion as an ignorant scape goat to not understand how the world works

[BADecker]

The strugle of the exsistance of god.

Personally believe what ever you will jusy dont turn a blind eye to intelligence. People use religion as an ignorant scape goat to not understand how the world works

This is the exact reason that the God of the Bible doesn't force anyone to believe that He exists. He can't, and keep them as free-thinking, non-robots. This is why Jesus instructs his "preachers" to offer God to people, and then to let Him attempt to entice the people spiritually. He knows how to do it right.

This is why the Knights of Templar, and the Crusades have been wrong in the past when they tried to force Christianity on people.

[BADecker]

WTF are you talking about?!
The shitlist is by DOCTRINE, on personal basis there are Muslim pacifists and violent Buddhists. The list refers to what the religion preaches.
Atheism has no doctrines, the only doctrine is "there is no God", absolutely nothing else.

All the religions are practiced incorrectly by at least some of their people. All the religions have people who are ignorant of some of the tenets of their very own religion. Since it has not been proven that God does NOT exist (even by atheists), atheism is a religion, and one that attempts to hide the fact that atheists are setting themselves up as god, simply by denying the existence of God, without being able to prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove to me that santa dont excist and I will prove with the same argument that God dont excist

Prove that Santa doesn't exist, and you will have the exact proofs that show you that God DOES exist.

And you are incorrect.  There's this thing called the burden of proof when making a claim (that there is a god)

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

Proof only works when people are reasonably honest, especially with themselves. 

[BCEmporium]

The strugle of the exsistance of god.

Personally believe what ever you will jusy dont turn a blind eye to intelligence. People use religion as an ignorant scape goat to not understand how the world works

I think it's the other way around. People have issues with the sentence "I don't know" and so accept any "solution" for this issue, no mater how irrational that explanation may be. This is the gap filled by religion.

BADecker, you can't prove in the negative. You can't prove there is no Santa, there are no Unicorns, there is no bigfoot or Nessie. The same goes to your God or Zeus. Why don't you believe on Zeus?

[cooldgamer]

WTF are you talking about?!
The shitlist is by DOCTRINE, on personal basis there are Muslim pacifists and violent Buddhists. The list refers to what the religion preaches.
Atheism has no doctrines, the only doctrine is "there is no God", absolutely nothing else.

All the religions are practiced incorrectly by at least some of their people. All the religions have people who are ignorant of some of the tenets of their very own religion. Since it has not been proven that God does NOT exist (even by atheists), atheism is a religion, and one that attempts to hide the fact that atheists are setting themselves up as god, simply by denying the existence of God, without being able to prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove to me that santa dont excist and I will prove with the same argument that God dont excist

Prove that Santa doesn't exist, and you will have the exact proofs that show you that God DOES exist.

And you are incorrect.  There's this thing called the burden of proof when making a claim (that there is a god)

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

Proof only works when people are reasonably honest, especially with themselves. 

What is that supposed to mean?  We are talking scientific proof, either it exists or it doesn't.  

[iluvbitcoins]

no violence, huh?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/1021-atheist-charged-wth-assaulting-pastor.html

[btcxyzzz]

Nice topic. Congratz OP. We love to shit on religions. Right.

[BADecker]

WTF are you talking about?!
The shitlist is by DOCTRINE, on personal basis there are Muslim pacifists and violent Buddhists. The list refers to what the religion preaches.
Atheism has no doctrines, the only doctrine is "there is no God", absolutely nothing else.

All the religions are practiced incorrectly by at least some of their people. All the religions have people who are ignorant of some of the tenets of their very own religion. Since it has not been proven that God does NOT exist (even by atheists), atheism is a religion, and one that attempts to hide the fact that atheists are setting themselves up as god, simply by denying the existence of God, without being able to prove that God doesn't exist.

Prove to me that santa dont excist and I will prove with the same argument that God dont excist

Prove that Santa doesn't exist, and you will have the exact proofs that show you that God DOES exist.

And you are incorrect.  There's this thing called the burden of proof when making a claim (that there is a god)

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.

Proof only works when people are reasonably honest, especially with themselves. 

What is that supposed to mean?  We are talking scientific proof, either it exists or it doesn't.  

In the strict dictionary meaning of "science," you may be correct. Proof has to do with what people think. For example. People haven't been able to find proof for evolution. In fact, all that they have been able to do is find strong evidence that evolution shouldn't even be considered a theory. So, the thing that they have done is to change the meaning of "science" informally if not dictionary-wise.

How much evidence does it take that the proven laws of entropy are correct? In the minds of evolutionists, they keep on seeking evidence for some little thing that might prove entropy incorrect. So, what really is proof?

[cooldgamer]

no violence, huh?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/1021-atheist-charged-wth-assaulting-pastor.html

That was one crazy guy, in any large group there will always be some.  There is no atheist doctrine telling us to hate certain people or try to convert others, but rather a very broad spectrum of people that simply lack the belief in a diety.

In the strict dictionary meaning of "science," you may be correct. Proof has to do with what people think. For example. People haven't been able to find proof for evolution. In fact, all that they have been able to do is find strong evidence that evolution shouldn't even be considered a theory. So, the thing that they have done is to change the meaning of "science" informally if not dictionary-wise.

How much evidence does it take that the proven laws of entropy are correct? In the minds of evolutionists, they keep on seeking evidence for some little thing that might prove entropy incorrect. So, what really is proof?

Yes they have

[BCEmporium]

When you don't know you can have a theory about something, but you mustn't act as if you know when all you've is a theory.
A theory isn't as simple as say "I believe this", it requires some supporting evidence that points that way.
Happens that for Creationism we have nothing, an empty theory supported on anything but claims of blatant ignorant ancient people who thinks Earth was flat and the center of universe.

Also the apply to "feelings" comes out void; a Christian will always see Christ or some of the figures of the Christian Mythology, but not Muhammad, a Muslim will see Muhammad or any of his companions, but not Christ, and so on and so on... Basically we can note here is the power of suggestion.

[iluvbitcoins]

no violence, huh?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/1021-atheist-charged-wth-assaulting-pastor.html

That was one crazy guy, in any large group there will always be some.  There is no atheist doctrine telling us to hate certain people or try to convert others, but rather a very broad spectrum of people that simply lack the belief in a diety.

same goes for some religions

they represent peace and toleration but people often use it for their own selfish reasons

the Quran itself has quotes like this

[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."


[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."

[4:148] GOD does not like the utterance of bad language, unless one is treated with gross injustice. GOD is Hearer, Knower.

[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.

[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend

people tend to use religion to cover-up their own selfish reasons

the public should be more aware of this "kind" rules from their Bibles,Qurans,Torahs etc.
it is us, that justify that for them because their religion "tells them so"
this is not true, but we have made it true for them at least

[cooldgamer]

no violence, huh?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/1021-atheist-charged-wth-assaulting-pastor.html

That was one crazy guy, in any large group there will always be some.  There is no atheist doctrine telling us to hate certain people or try to convert others, but rather a very broad spectrum of people that simply lack the belief in a diety.

same goes for some religions

they represent peace and toleration but people often use it for their own selfish reasons

the Quran itself has quotes like this

[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."


[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."

[4:148] GOD does not like the utterance of bad language, unless one is treated with gross injustice. GOD is Hearer, Knower.

[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.

[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend

people tend to use religion to cover-up their own selfish reasons

the public should be more aware of this "kind" rules from their Bibles,Qurans,Torahs etc.
it is us, that justify that for them because their religion "tells them so"
this is not true, but we have made it true for them at least

No it doesn't, because all of the people in a religion are living their lives based on a single holy book, and a good bit of their crimes are because of what the book told them.  For example, the bible literally says to stone gays, so when Christians beat up people based on that it's not hard to find out how they got there.  You hear about that stuff all the time, that post you linked was the first atheist I've heard of that got violent because of religion.  The lack of a belief does not make us all think the same.

[BCEmporium]

But the Quran itself has entries that are exactly the opposite... how do you sort it?

Atheism has NO DOCTRINE. That's why it can't be forced into someone. Atheism without Philosophy can be hazardous, you need a higher understanding yourself to not fall into oblivion. Forced atheists may be ignorant atheists, with a random and unpredictable behavior.
A bit like Bitcoin, for you to can be your own bank you need to know the basics of banking, otherwise just keep believing on what the banker says.

For people who doesn't interest or care about religion, I would suggest 100x Agnosticism over Atheism.

[iluvbitcoins]

No it doesn't, because all of the people in a religion are living their lives based on a single holy book

then they need to be educated, not converted to atheism
that the Bible was written in a different time, that God didn't write it, but a group of priests in Constantinopole

 You hear about that stuff all the time, that post you linked was the first atheist I've heard of that got violent because of religion.  The lack of a belief does not make us all think the same.

Atheism has NO DOCTRINE. That's why it can't be forced into someone. Atheism without Philosophy can be hazardous, you need a higher understanding yourself to not fall into oblivion. Forced atheists may be ignorant atheists, with a random and unpredictable behavior.

it's the first one you heard, because liberals usually control the media

this one was just a week ago and it wasn't forced, in a free democratic country an atheist punches down a 77-year old woman breaking her nose and knocking her down, she ended up in a hospital with heavy injuries

But hell, this isn't important, so people won't get to know, the media only promotes liberal ideas so not this..

use google translator on Chrome..

http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/katolickoj-aktivistici-razbijen-nos-na-skupu-pokreta-za-sekularnu-hrvatsku-962233
http://www.jutarnji.hr/foto--napadac-sa-cvjetnog-zaradio-kaznenu-prijavu-ruzica-cavar-zadobila-tesku-ozljedu-ruke/1221570/

[BCEmporium]

Comparing ONE atheist with, for an instance, a group of Muslims killing people like ISIS?  
I hear of a Jew who ran over a cat, a Christian who killed his neighbor... and so on...

And apparently the guy was defending his sign, the act of aggression comes first from the old lady and her scissors. Anyway, nobody got killed, just a minor incident. If all the bad on the world would be two old folks fighting, then the World would be a paradise.

[iluvbitcoins]

Comparing ONE atheist with, for an instance, a group of Muslims killing people like ISIS?  
I hear of a Jew who ran over a cat, a Christian who killed his neighbor... and so on...

this is a completely wrong point of view

civilized countries [western world, rich countries] don't start wars

countries that haven't been in touch with western civilization, that aren't modernized do

it's not the religions fault, it's just a justification, a try to get the conqured countries obey just because they're of simmilar culture
they're trying to get the support of all muslims
it has nothing to do with religion, it's politics

however numbers of non-believers are increasing every year, one day all people will believe there is no god, it's inevitable

So I consider we're just wasting our time on this conversation

[BCEmporium]

Isn't the first time Gods get killed, Zeus, Odin, Jupiter... so many Gods were killed this far.
Eventually people will kill the Jewish God too and you can go to cinema enjoying "Thor's Hammer" at room 1 and "Jesus running 3 miles over the Atlantic" at room 2.

But acts of war are acts of war. They are condemnable no matter if in Europe, US or Middle East.

[iluvbitcoins]

Of course!

I said religion is not what caused the war, not that they shouldn't be condemned.