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May 11, 2012, 04:18:12 AM
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Oh, BFL, could you add teh average temp for the testing period to the results that display at the end of the test? Thats an important reading.

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May 13, 2012, 01:59:23 AM
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Hmm, Easyminer doesn't see my boxes at all, weirdly (they're currently happily mining away)...

EDIT:  Ok, I had to quit out of Cgminer before they were picked up.  Fair enough.

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May 13, 2012, 02:00:21 AM
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In case no one noticed they have released Beta 1.1

I don't notice anything new yet but fyi.

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May 13, 2012, 02:01:08 AM
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Hmm, Easyminer doesn't see my boxes at all, weirdly (they're currently happily mining away)...

I found I had to stop cgminer from mining or it didn't see mine either.

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May 13, 2012, 11:05:00 AM
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Looking forward to more firmware releases.

Maybe even some community ones   Wink
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May 14, 2012, 05:54:20 AM
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I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)
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May 14, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
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I installed EasyMiner.  It shows my units just fine, but only allows me to select the 3rd option on the menu (the diagnostics/testing/statistics option, forgot what it was called).  The other two options are grayed out.  So, I can see the units, but I can't mine with them using EasyMiner.  Any suggestions?

Any obscurity on your part does not add any security, BFL Engineer, you are only wasting time you could use on shipping machines and deluding yourself. I am dead serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_cow_problem
Passwords are security through obscurity.  Just sayin.
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May 15, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
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I installed EasyMiner.  It shows my units just fine, but only allows me to select the 3rd option on the menu (the diagnostics/testing/statistics option, forgot what it was called).  The other two options are grayed out.  So, I can see the units, but I can't mine with them using EasyMiner.  Any suggestions?

Any obscurity on your part does not add any security, BFL Engineer, you are only wasting time you could use on shipping machines and deluding yourself. I am dead serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_cow_problem
Passwords are security through obscurity.  Just sayin.

Mining feature is still under development, as we have something a lot more important to finish
before we proceed with the rest of the EasyMiner coding.


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May 15, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
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I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)

Please note that any other application that may use the units (or simply holds their COMPORT open)
must be closed. No two applications can access the same Com Port at the same time.


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May 15, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
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Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge Smiley


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


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May 15, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
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I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)

Reboot and try cgminer.
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May 15, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
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Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge Smiley


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


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BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!

poop!
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May 15, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
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Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge Smiley


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!
lol, that's only with an unreleased test firmware. Although it would be fun to try.

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May 15, 2012, 05:42:07 PM
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Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge Smiley


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!
lol, that's only with an unreleased test firmware. Although it would be fun to try.

I can imagine a whole freezer with bunch of neatly stacked singles.. idea people!!!

poop!
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May 15, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
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[...]
Professional users may use their miner of their choice.
[...]

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Not to claim I'm a professional user, but I'm a Linux only one. Any chance to also get the FW-upload command sequence documented?

Would be great not to have a spare Windows machine available just to update the Single's firmware. Or would that work from within a VM?


Firmware upload is a proprietary mechanism, which I'm afraid we cannot disclose. For your information,
it will work flawlessly through a VM. Minimum requirement is Windows XP SP2.


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BF Labs Inc.
Arse - that kills any BFL product for me then. I'm a Unix user, preferably of the Apple flavour... and whilst Stefan @ Ztex doesn't support Mac OS X, he happily provided me the SDK source and I put a few days in porting it to Snow Leopard.

BFL products still tweak my risk-analytics neurons for various reasons, but the performance per $ is hard to beat. If you chaps had a European distributor then you'd be a serious competitor in the EU market - though the implication I get is that you have enough trouble fulfilling continental USA orders without another entire trading bloc to deal with (hell, even UK demand would be high, let alone the 'real' Europe Wink ).

The big issue is that electricity is still cheap in many parts of the USA, making FPGA tech vs. GPUs less of a 'no-brainer'. In Europe, and definitely including the UK, electricity costs so much that shifting to FPGA tech is a *complete* no-brainer. Capital cost be damned - there's no profit in running 5 kW GPU rigs 24/7, even if you *can* get rid of the waste heat without cooking your server room.

Hence the EU is desperate for FPGA tech, I'd say more so than the USA. Look at Ztex - premium products at premium prices... yet Stefan can sell all that he can build, and give his customers as much bad attitude as he likes.

However, there's no 'sekrit' shit with Stefan. I've mined with Inaba before, and whilst I certainly wouldn't call him 'abrasive', he has strong opinions (we both developed one-shot Linux install scripts for GPU mining way back when). Being forced to abandon my preferred pool for Inaba's wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me.

But being forced to run Windows? Nobody forces me to run Windows - this is 'gun at head' stuff, and even if this makes me sound like those sad OS religious warriors (actually, I don't evangelise or troll, I just get on with using my preferred platforms), so be it.


My opinion may be just more chattering BS on the forums... but I'd seriously advise you to at least support Linux with your miner code... a hell of a lot of early-adopters who are investing all their spare capital (the hobbyists, so to speak) are hackers who prefer FOSS (and would even prefer commercial closed-source Linux binaries to Windows - after all, all Linux GPU miners are using closed-source AMD driver binaries - none of us are 'truly' FOSS).

And whilst I can't speak for the *truly* big operations, the commercial ventures with hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest, your software doesn't appear to be targeted at them *anyway*. I've only got a small capital investment between £5k-£10k ($8,000 - $16,000), half in FPGAs and half (already amortised) in my original GPU rigs. I'm still a small player but it's still part of my business - I don't care how much Windows costs, but it costs a non-zero amount. And whilst I'm not getting into religious wars over stability and external costs of anti-malware protection etc. - any downtime costs money.

Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...

...so I give in to the rhythm, the click click clack
I'm too wasted to fight back...


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May 15, 2012, 08:48:11 PM
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Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.
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May 15, 2012, 09:07:16 PM
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Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.
The BFL rep said that the firmware upload procedure was classified and encrypted, and runs only on Windows XP. My FPGAs don't run without the bitstream loaded onto them, so if BFL need a Windows box to load their bitstream, then I don't see any incoherence in my comment.

As to the one-pool - that's only because it was mentioned that only Inaba's pool was supported by the software.

I'm only talking about this specific software (as per the title of the thread) - if BFL supply a toolchain for other OSes that allows programming of the bitstream, which can then be controlled by a FOSS miner of choice, then that's a good thing. But my comment referred *only* to the topic - their EasyMiner software.

...so I give in to the rhythm, the click click clack
I'm too wasted to fight back...


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May 15, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
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Just a quick note catfish, so that you are aware - these devices have their own microcontroller and flash, and come preloaded with "a" bitstream, but as you well know cannot be updated to a faster version outside of Windows. But they don't need to be reprogrammed each powercycle, since the firmware/bitstream is stored locally.

However, making it updateable within a *nix OS is definitely preferable, even if the bitstream remains encrypted all the way to the device. That would make it much better.

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May 15, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
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Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.
The BFL rep said that the firmware upload procedure was classified and encrypted, and runs only on Windows XP. My FPGAs don't run without the bitstream loaded onto them, so if BFL need a Windows box to load their bitstream, then I don't see any incoherence in my comment.

As to the one-pool - that's only because it was mentioned that only Inaba's pool was supported by the software.

I'm only talking about this specific software (as per the title of the thread) - if BFL supply a toolchain for other OSes that allows programming of the bitstream, which can then be controlled by a FOSS miner of choice, then that's a good thing. But my comment referred *only* to the topic - their EasyMiner software.
Got it.  I kind of gathered that you thought you couldn't mine with them on linux.  Guess I got the wrong impression there.

EDIT:  You seem to be implying that this is a dealbreaker.  Before BFL released the faster firmware, were you considering purchasing them?  Or was it only potentially worth purchasing after the faster firmware was released?  Or are you just rejecting them on principle?
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May 15, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
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Realistically the problem isn't that BFL is limiting our options with proprietary software - we sill have plenty of FOSS alternatives to easyminer. The problem is BFL's general attitude of secrecy and proprietary nonsense when selling to a community that loves their open-source. First they claim to be using a totally proprietary design that no one will ever ever reverse engineer. ZhouTong desolders a chip and hooks it up to JTAG headers, finds out it's an Altera Stratix III EP3SL150 FPGA. Now they're telling us the firmware flash mechanism is proprietary - how long do they think it'll be before someone breaks that too? They're handing us closed-source software but as was mentioned it's not hard to sniff COM port activity and reverse engineer that too. Classic "smart cow" problems all - I'm just wondering how long it'll be until BFL figures out that all their secrecy buys them is time. There's no reason to keep this stuff under wraps - there's no harm in letting people experiment with custom firmwares as long as they're clear on what that does to warranty support, there's no harm in just telling people what chip they're using either, it's just confusing how secretive BFL acts.

Note that I'm not saying their product is bad or that I don't approve of it - I'm on the wait list for a single, actually - I'm just saying that they have a very secretive business model and *that* I don't approve of.

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