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October 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
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Sorry if someone has posted this already, I have looked thru the forums & havent been able to find what im looking for, If in actual fact it is possible or does exist.

Ok im using Windows 7 SP1X64.

I have seen many posts about P2pool mining with these Sha256 coins that tell me when u mine Bitcoin on P2pool the merged mining of any other coin is only done solo?

Is this correct??

Or is there a way to mine the 5 Sha256 coins i mentioned above at full speed using P2pool?? (Like a Multi-Coin P2pool)

http://mmpool.org/pool seems to have it all worked out or is he/she running multiple P2pools? One for each coin & if so, How / Where can i get P2pool that runs with the other coins??

I can & have had P2pool running Bitcoin within the group plus Namecoin running in solo mode but i wanna run all 5 coins at once as if they are all on P2pool.

If that takes 5 machines to setup, Im willing to do that, I just wanna maximize my mining with my rigs by mining all the coins at once.

Many thanks in advance...
If its not poss in Win 7 is it poss in Linux?

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November 04, 2014, 01:30:34 PM
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Bump. I've been looking for this kind of thing also but have not yet found it. I've just switched some miners from a centralized pool that supports merged mining to P2pool - so far it is working fine for BTC and I'm hoping to add merged mining but have seen some caveats posted here and there. I'll keep looking, but suggestions/links about "the best way" would be very welcome.

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November 04, 2014, 02:10:32 PM
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Only merged mining coin worth using was NMC, but it's dead now, so I wouldn't bother fussing about adding any merged coins.

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November 04, 2014, 04:13:46 PM
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Nothing is worth nothing if any exchange will change it to bitcoin & if it rides shot gun with whatever ur already doing how is it pointless??

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November 10, 2014, 05:50:58 PM
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It's not pointless at all, not sure why anyone would think it is. I've been merge mining for over 2 years now, it's a nice little bonus - especially with the crap BTC prices lately  Wink

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November 10, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
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Sorry if someone has posted this already, I have looked thru the forums & havent been able to find what im looking for, If in actual fact it is possible or does exist.

Ok im using Windows 7 SP1X64.

I have seen many posts about P2pool mining with these Sha256 coins that tell me when u mine Bitcoin on P2pool the merged mining of any other coin is only done solo?

Is this correct??

Or is there a way to mine the 5 Sha256 coins i mentioned above at full speed using P2pool?? (Like a Multi-Coin P2pool)

http://mmpool.org/pool seems to have it all worked out or is he/she running multiple P2pools? One for each coin & if so, How / Where can i get P2pool that runs with the other coins??

I can & have had P2pool running Bitcoin within the group plus Namecoin running in solo mode but i wanna run all 5 coins at once as if they are all on P2pool.

If that takes 5 machines to setup, Im willing to do that, I just wanna maximize my mining with my rigs by mining all the coins at once.

Many thanks in advance...
If its not poss in Win 7 is it poss in Linux?

You can merge mine as many sha256 coins as your memory will allow, but keep in mind every coin your mining has to be running as a full node on your server.

You are correct that any coin you merge mine is essentially solo mined...

Rav3nPL maintains a fork with many coins already included here: https://github.com/Rav3nPL/p2pool-rav

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December 01, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
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Ok I wanna try tackle this in a different way seems this either can't b done or no one wants to share the info.

Can I setup individual p2pools for each coin.

Example : p2pool running bitcoin by itself

P2pool running namecoin by itself

P2pool running iocoin by itself

P2pool running ixcoin by itself.

Lets start with 4 pools running sha256 coins only. I don't care if I have to setup each
P2pool on an individual PC my main goal is to have control of 4 coins running full p2pool
In its original state (as in bitcoin but just for different coins)

Then everyone could setup let's say anyminer that supports load balance to point to each
Individual coin pool there by making the pools run like a bitcoin p2pool except sharing
The miners output into 4 pools at the same time.

This too me seems like an alternative to full mine p2pool bitcoin then solo mine the other
3 coins thru merged mining. I'm thinking there must be a way of doing this & then u could
Dedicate 70% of ur mining power to bitcoin & 10% to each of the other 3 coins but having
Them all run like a normal bitcoin p2pool?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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December 01, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
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You can't do what you're trying to accomplish.  If you do indeed setup p2pool nodes for those SHA-256 coins and point your miners there, your miners will only be mining that particular coin.  If you load balance like you say, then your miners will only allocate a percentage of their hashing time to that particular coin - so not full speed/full time like you want.  Oh, and you may very well be the only p2pool node for the coin, which is effectively the same as solo mining anyway.

Just a small correction to what windpath wrote.  P2Pool can merge mine NMC, IXC, I0C, DVC, FSC and HUC only, not any/every SHA-256 coin you can get running as your memory allows (i.e. you can't merge mine OSC or TRC).  I did a quick writeup in the p2pool thread about them, but in summary, the only coin even worth mining is NMC.  IXC is no longer minting coins.  I0C trades for about 1800 satoshi and you get 1.5 coins per block.  DVC trades for about 8 satoshi each and you get 5000 coins per block.  FSC is dead in the water.  I don't mine HUC because I've never gotten it to properly build on my Mac so I can't give any help with it.  You might have better luck on your Windows box with a pre-compiled wallet for it.

I still mine the coins alongside BTC on my node because like PatMan wrote every little bit helps.  Well, in my case every little bit helps the p2pool community because I donate the proceeds from trading the merged coins back to the pool Smiley.

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December 01, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
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But let's say I could setup individual coin p2pools for each coin then obviously I wouldn't want to be the only one doing it. I would like to promote them alongside bitcoin p2pool so that as many users as possible would use them in the way I intend. That way each individual coin picks up pace & would eventually run pretty much the same way p2pool works now by having as many users using them in the same way for the benefit of all miners involved therefore getting away from the merged solo mining in place now and raising the odds better for the miner from solo mining to (example only 20%) p2pool more mining on the alt coins.

Something else to think for future use is making miners with 4 or 5 blades in them in which u could dedicate 1 blade to something like 1th for bitcoin & then make 4 blades running at 250gh each which could be used for mining individually for the extra alt coins without having to load balance them at all. Bitcoin gets full power as its worth the most then split the remaining 250gh x 4 to the other altcoins.

I'm trying to think of ways to either excite users to mine the extra altcoins as some have some real benefit that bitcoin doesn't & maybe breath life back into some of the dying one's

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December 01, 2014, 04:07:19 PM
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Also thinking of how to breathe life back into the older style asics many of us have so they don't go into landfill. Buying equipment like this which has no value after as little as six months on the market, this would b a good way to reperpose the gear rather than have it end up in the bin / landfill.

I was trying to b sha256 specific for this purpose among other things.

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December 01, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
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You certainly can try to setup p2pool nodes for any coin.  Rav3n's fork has quite a few coins setup, or if the one you're interested in is not there, you could try to set it up yourself if you know enough about the coin's inner workings.

Merged mining is a double-edged sword.  Yes, it allows you to try a solution against multiple coins at once; however, at the same time it forces the coin's difficulty to skyrocket because it becomes tied in with BTC mining.  NMC is a perfect example of this.  NMC by itself is a pretty innovative idea.  NMC merge-mined with BTC is just another alt coin, which is too bad.  P2Pool isn't the only pool to merge mine NMC.  Eligius does it, GHash.io does it, BTCGuild does it, BAN does it, etc.  They do it because it's easy to implement and adds a revenue stream.

Breathing life into old ASICs doesn't work either.  They are inefficient and unprofitable.  Why stop at older ASICs?  Why not try to breathe life into those old GPU rigs, or even back into your CPU?  People have tried - new algorithms like X11 - give birth to new coins.  Yes, there are some pretty interesting ideas out there like that hard drive coin, or actual commodity-based coins like cannabis coin, but again, the vast majority of those coins aren't going anywhere.  I'm sure I'll get some flak for this and people will try to make convincing arguments about why their favorite flavor is the best.  I'm certainly not stating you can't make a profit with those coins, but the profit isn't in the mining, it's in the trading game.

I applaud your enthusiasm. Unfortunately, people just aren't going to turn their miners from BTC to some other SHA-256 coin because none of them is worth doing so.  OK, I'll grant you the diehards and the fanatics of a particular coin, but the vast majority will continue to mine BTC, and will do so with the most cost effective gear they can.

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December 02, 2014, 12:03:29 AM
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Isn't this basically just an alt-coin thread that shouldn't even be here ... ?

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December 02, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
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I was trying to focus on the P2pool aspect more than the alt coin aspect....

I was trying to setup something like

http://mmpool.bitparking.com/

But within P2pool.........

If he can do it as a joint pool effort, Why can it not be done in a p2pool setup??

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December 02, 2014, 04:29:13 PM
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mmpool doesn't do what you're thinking.  It's just another pool that merge mines the same coins as any other.  There's nothing magical about what is going on there.  Underneath the covers it's exactly what happens on your p2pool node - the hash is tried against the alt coins to see if it solves a block for any of them.

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December 02, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
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If this is so, How has it been paying Namecoins?? When p2pool has (As i believe only found 1 or 2 namecoins in total?)

Another question to top this one... Does p2pool merge mine full speed on linux or is it the same as windows. Bitcoin is the main coin (Full speed mined) & the others are all solo mined??

I have a follow up question but it depends on the answer i get back from this that will determine the way its asked...

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December 02, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
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If this is so, How has it been paying Namecoins?? When p2pool has (As i believe only found 1 or 2 namecoins in total?)

Another question to top this one... Does p2pool merge mine full speed on linux or is it the same as windows. Bitcoin is the main coin (Full speed mined) & the others are all solo mined??

I have a follow up question but it depends on the answer i get back from this that will determine the way its asked...
Your information is wrong.  P2Pool has found plenty of NMC blocks - heck, I've found 2 of them myself.  The other pools like Eligius, GHash.io, etc pay NMC based upon users registering NMC addresses.  What algorithms they use to determine how much NMC to pay to each miner are proprietary.

I really don't think you're getting the whole merged mining thing, so let me try to explain it a little differently.  Every single coin that can be merge mined with BTC does so by using AuxPoW.  The share that was submitted to BTC is also tried as a solution against the other coins.  If you look at your p2pool logs you'll see something like this:
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2014-11-27 00:08:40.767254 Got new merged mining work!
If you happen to solve an alt coin block, you see something like this:
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2014-11-27 00:08:31.127948 Merged block submittal result: True
This is exactly what happens on any other pool that is merge mining.  While the logs might look different, the scenario is exactly the same:
  • The miners submit shares to the pool.
  • The pool takes the share and sees if it solves any blocks of merged coins
In p2pool's case, it is the entire combined hashing power on the node that is used to check for solutions of the merge-mined coins.  In Eligius' or GHash's case, it is the combined hashing power of the entire pool.

In p2pool's case however, there is no built-in functionality to handle payouts of the merged coins to miners.  The node owner gets the coins.  There simply can't be the same kind of payout functionality as you see on those other pools in p2pool for the very reason that p2pool is decentralized and anonymous: you don't register.

You can certainly build your own custom implementation of a pool that runs on the p2pool backend.  Bitmain is trying this with AntPool.  OgNasty/Nonnakip have done it with their nastyfans.org pool.  If you do, then you're free to follow the more conventional pool approach to paying out merged coins.

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February 25, 2015, 09:16:42 AM
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 Huh
I'm new to the p2pool'ers.
I've got a Windows Server 2012 r2 VPS, and have sucsessfully installed a btc p2pool.
What are the things i have to do that i merge mine Namecoin?
I allready installed, synced and have a Running Namecoin Wallet/Node ...
Thx  Smiley Huh

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February 25, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
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Huh
I'm new to the p2pool'ers.
I've got a Windows Server 2012 r2 VPS, and have sucsessfully installed a btc p2pool.
What are the things i have to do that i merge mine Namecoin?
I allready installed, synced and have a Running Namecoin Wallet/Node ...
Thx  Smiley Huh

Not a Windows guy, but you will probably have better luck in the main P2Pool thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg10577101#msg10577101


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Huh
I'm new to the p2pool'ers.
I've got a Windows Server 2012 r2 VPS, and have sucsessfully installed a btc p2pool.
What are the things i have to do that i merge mine Namecoin?
I allready installed, synced and have a Running Namecoin Wallet/Node ...
Thx  Smiley Huh
Check out the p2pool merged mining thread for more details, but in a nutshell, when you start your p2pool node, you tell it you're merge mining like this:

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run_p2pool.py --merged http://USERNAME:PASSWORD@IP_ADDRESS:PORT

USERNAME - corresponds to rpcuser in *coin.conf
PASSWORD - corresponds to rpcpassword in *coin.conf
IP_ADDRESS - the IP address of the machine running the coin daemon
PORT - corresponds to rpcport in *coin.conf

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