What is happening with our world and humanity

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Im watching a documentation about the vietnam war.

I dont want to talk about the vietnam war itself, but about a thought that doesnt want to leave my head.

You bomb our people from above the sky and that is why we are wearing bombs to kill your people.

How does it come that after the first world war, the second world war and all the other wars following didnt change us?
How can it be that today we still have torture, oppression, murder and that even supported by governments that lead us?


Sometimes when i see stuff like that i am not sure anymore if humanity still has a future...

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[tibor]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

[Hippie Tech]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

[CripLib]

Yes, unfortunately, I guess it's human nature. Since the stone age, and even before who knows, nature designed us to live inside our own groups, to protect and feed each other, but to fight and to compete with other human groups. Greed is what moves humans as a survivor instinct: something useful some 10,000/5,000/500 years ago, and kept to this day in our most inner self, even though it is not at all useful any longer, as we have enough technology to provide the necessary for worldwide benefits (we just need to learn how to share).... maybe in another 500/5,000/10,000 years, if we're still here, greed will be left behind and share will prevail

[Bonam]

maybe in another 500/5,000/10,000 years, if we're still here, greed will be left behind and share will prevail

Why would it? There is no evolutionary pressure to select for "sharing genes". That being said, I don't think greed is the issue. There are plenty of ways to acquire wealth without resorting to war.

No, the real problem with human nature is the tendency of individuals to surrender their individual will to a crowd/mob mentality. That's what allows individuals with malevolent intent to seize power and bewitch the populace, and then go on to do violence. The reason monsters like Hitler or Stalin came to power is not greed, but because others were willing to follow them, were willing to die for them in fact. It is the human ability to cooperate with each other, to put one's own thoughts and ideas and self-interest and the evidence of their senses out of mind while obeying someone else, that is the fatal flaw that leads to so much war. Without it, it would only be the occasional individual fighting another when they can't get along, rather than those individuals having millions of willing followers slaughtering millions of others.

[u9y42]

Several months ago, The Real News Network had an interview with David Swanson, the author of "War is a Lie", that covered this subject well, I think. Here are the links to the 3 part interview, if you want to see it (the first is more autobiographical, if I remember correctly, but the others are well worth it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwaSbWD8C0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM5qIvVLGg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIcOdilpXUU

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

maybe in another 500/5,000/10,000 years, if we're still here, greed will be left behind and share will prevail

Why would it? There is no evolutionary pressure to select for "sharing genes". That being said, I don't think greed is the issue. There are plenty of ways to acquire wealth without resorting to war.

No, the real problem with human nature is the tendency of individuals to surrender their individual will to a crowd/mob mentality. That's what allows individuals with malevolent intent to seize power and bewitch the populace, and then go on to do violence. The reason monsters like Hitler or Stalin came to power is not greed, but because others were willing to follow them, were willing to die for them in fact. It is the human ability to cooperate with each other, to put one's own thoughts and ideas and self-interest and the evidence of their senses out of mind while obeying someone else, that is the fatal flaw that leads to so much war. Without it, it would only be the occasional individual fighting another when they can't get along, rather than those individuals having millions of willing followers slaughtering millions of others.

I'm not convinced by this idea that "war is just part of human nature, and there is nothing you can do about it". As David Swanson put it in the above interview, there has always been a war somewhere, but at the same time there has always not been a war some many more places - in fact, you often have situations in which what led to war in one place didn't in others, despite very similar circumstances. Further, in many cultures, segments of the population (women for example) have traditionally been kept out of conflict; that being typically reserved for men - as he puts it, if women can not do it, why can't men leave it? So, I tend to agree with his explanation that war is mostly a cultural phenomenon: we consider wars to be acceptable, so we enter them, or incite others to do so for our profit.

In this sense, I only partly agree with Bonam; sure, the "group mind" or "gramophone mind", as George Orwell put it in the preface to the Animal Farm, is a problem, and many succumb to it; but you can't forget that, for example in the two cases you presented (Hitler and Stalin), the population at large actually had a lot to gain from their policies. If you weren't one of those being oppressed, both Germans and Russians were living much better off; at least initially - that's one way they managed to hold on to power so easily. So, I don't think it's necessarily the case that people unquestioningly accept that crowd mentality; but rather that they often believe they profit from war, and use the given justifications that they are better than whomever they are busy oppressing at the moment, or that they are somehow actually helping them - look at the US's foreign policy for a good example here.

[DavidHume]

Im watching a documentation about the vietnam war.

I dont want to talk about the vietnam war itself, but about a thought that doesnt want to leave my head.

You bomb our people from above the sky and that is why we are wearing bombs to kill your people.

How does it come that after the first world war, the second world war and all the other wars following didnt change us?
How can it be that today we still have torture, oppression, murder and that even supported by governments that lead us?


Sometimes when i see stuff like that i am not sure anymore if humanity still has a future...

The war is largely due to a few neocon think they can take over Asia with little resistance. When battle heat up, you will see worse behavior in human when most soldiers don't even benefit and know what they are fighting for.

[newflesh]

War is way too profitable for there to be global peace, arms manufacturers are one of the few industries the West hasn't completely outsourced to Asia.

A good book to read about this subject is Jeremy Scahill's: The World Is A Battlefield

http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Wars-The-World-Battlefield/dp/156858671X


@u9y42 Big fan of the Real News Network, will check out the links you posted

[u9y42]

War is way too profitable for there to be global peace, arms manufacturers are one of the few industries the West hasn't completely outsourced to Asia.

A good book to read about this subject is Jeremy Scahill's: The World Is A Battlefield

http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Wars-The-World-Battlefield/dp/156858671X


@u9y42 Big fan of the Real News Network, will check out the links you posted

I particularly like their RAI segments - they often have some great interviews.

As to the profit motive you mention, I was just seeing the following news story from The Young Turks (also think they're pretty good), that touches upon it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8u9sHVVoGk (titled "Profits From Syrian Airstrikes Will Churn Your Stomach").

[username18333]

Should war prove means to that desired, surely, therefore, humanity, as known you, would know no end of it.

However, those asteroid weaponized, by both their terror and greater detriment, could prove a most tangible panacea here.

[ObscureBean]

War is an essential element in humanity's current setup. It is possible to cross out war completely from the equation but for that to happen, humanity would have to give up everything it has acquired up to now. Humanity would literally have to relinquish it's humanity. Something that is unlikely to happen. Truth is nobody really minds the war as long as they can exist as a perfect little cog within the system. Not even those that bitch about it.

[freedomno1]

People reset every 50 to 100 years on average so with each resetting lessons are forgotten
Mortality is a weakness that said we do have a lot stronger connection to history than we used to now.
So progressing in a relative sense of the term

[dank]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

This is simply not true.  You say it cannot be avoided, yet I've never killed another human.  In fact, nearly all humans have not killed anyone.  Peace clearly can be done.

Wars are not what people wish for.  Wars are what tyrants wish for, and so they seek a way to deceive the public into killing others for them.

Human nature is not to fear, it is to love.  An overwhelming majority of humans tend to bond in unity with others over attack and kill those around them.


The world is turning into a beautiful place.  The system would love for you to believe that all is going to hell, for that is exactly what they wish to see in the world - fear, chaos, pain - however this simply is not how the world will unfold.  Humans are intelligent, we hold self awareness.  The more atrocities that occur, the more we awaken to the state of existence.  We are very close to a mass awakening of mankind, the process has been unfolding for years and is rapidly picking up as of recent days.

World peace is around the corner, there is no need to fear life tomorrow, or even life today.  See peace and the world will be peace, you attract what you feel.

[Bonam]

Human nature is not to fear, it is to love.  An overwhelming majority of humans tend to bond in unity with others

As mentioned above, that's exactly why tyrants are able to gain power and carry out wars.

[Wilikon]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

Wasn't hitler a vegetarian toward the end of his life, i.e. the period he was responsible to kill the most amount of people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

 

[Hippie Tech]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

Wasn't hitler a vegetarian toward the end of his life, i.e. the period he was responsible to kill the most amount of people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

 

This simply proves how much of a nutbag he really was.

None the less, he was never technically a vegetarian because his chef, doctor ect. were undermining his efforts. It is also worth noting that he was never described as a vegan. eg. no meat/fish, dairy, eggs

The inhaled fumes from cooked/boiled eggs alone, is enough to scramble anybody's brain. *pun intended*

[Wilikon]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

Wasn't hitler a vegetarian toward the end of his life, i.e. the period he was responsible to kill the most amount of people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

 

This simply proves how much of a nutbag he really was.

None the less, he was never technically a vegetarian because his chef, doctor ect. were undermining his efforts. It is also worth noting that he was never described as a vegan. eg. no meat/fish, dairy, eggs

The inhaled fumes from cooked/boiled eggs alone, is enough to scramble anybody's brain. *pun intended*

So.... Am I supposed to be wary of vegetarians because they eat eggs? Obviously the wiki link describes him as vegetarian, not vegan. I had no idea his chief, doctor were taking risk with their life and the one of their families.... Hmmm.

[Elwar]

It all comes down to power. Votes, positions, speeches, hair, does not matter. Whoever has the power gets to control how things are.

Wars, police states, etc...all come from that power.

The same people who are against those things tend to also want to feed the power with promises of free stuff.

If you are willing to hand your own power over to someone else, or encourage the use of that power to take from someone else in exchange for promises, you are part of what leads to wars and oppression.

[pitham1]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

Wasn't hitler a vegetarian toward the end of his life, i.e. the period he was responsible to kill the most amount of people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

 

Vegetarians don't mind seeing blood.
They are just against ingesting it. 

[username18333]

War is cannot be avoided. There will always be war no matter what the date is. It is imbedeed in our genes. War destroy things war also force us to create new things. There are no government that will last forever it will be destroyed by others or it destroys itself. This is just human nature. Humans are predator.

War exists because society is perpetually stoned from the flesh and blood we breathe in and consume.

"predator" LMAO .. More like blood/meat addicted, dumbass savages who's prey is anything that is incapable of defending itself.

Does that steak smell good ? Go on.. take another cowardly hit !

Wasn't hitler a vegetarian toward the end of his life, i.e. the period he was responsible to kill the most amount of people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

 

Vegetarians don't mind seeing blood.
They are just against ingesting it.  

Vegetarianism disregards life non-animal for that edification (by moralization) of "life" known adherents (whom prove that verboden).