Bitcoin Forum
May 04, 2024, 08:35:16 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: Is it time to default to thousandth BTC pricing?
Yes
Not yet
Other: post your thoughts

Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Switch to thousandth BTC pricing?  (Read 4013 times)
bearbones (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 316
Merit: 250



View Profile WWW
May 13, 2011, 05:34:55 PM
 #1

We're inching up toward the first order of magnitude in the USD/BTC exchange rate.  Obviously, not everyone uses USD, but the same deflation should be seen across the board.  On bitmunchies, this is starting to make for some ridiculously small prices and significant differences between rounding options.  For instance, take a bag of popcorn.  With hundredths as the smallest unit displayed, a customer sees the price 0.07BTC.  However, the price is really 0.073BTC (calculated against USD to 8 digits), and if you buy three, it will add up to another 0.01BTC at checkout.  That isn't a lot, but I sure wouldn't want to lose 0.07USD due to hidden rounding costs every time I buy something.  I, for one, think it is time we added another digit to BTC transactions.

Feed Ze Birds Pay and get paid for tweets
Coinapult Send Bitcoins easily over email or text message
It is a common myth that Bitcoin is ruled by a majority of miners. This is not true. Bitcoin miners "vote" on the ordering of transactions, but that's all they do. They can't vote to change the network rules.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1714811716
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714811716

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714811716
Reply with quote  #2

1714811716
Report to moderator
error
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 588
Merit: 500



View Profile
May 13, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
 #2

You mean second order of magnitude. The display of two decimal places was decided long before BTC was at 0.10 USD.

3KzNGwzRZ6SimWuFAgh4TnXzHpruHMZmV8
bearbones (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 316
Merit: 250



View Profile WWW
May 13, 2011, 06:03:44 PM
 #3

You mean second order of magnitude. The display of two decimal places was decided long before BTC was at 0.10 USD.

Quite correct.  I do mean the second order of magnitude.  Either way, I think the time has come!

Feed Ze Birds Pay and get paid for tweets
Coinapult Send Bitcoins easily over email or text message
mewantsbitcoins
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 126
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 13, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
 #4

Not quite yet, but yea - once we reach $10 it will mean people can only deal in $0.10s
ShadowOfHarbringer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1470
Merit: 1005


Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952


View Profile
May 13, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
 #5

Yes, absolutely. The damn decimal point should be moved long ago.

FooDSt4mP
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 13, 2011, 06:36:50 PM
 #6

You mean second order of magnitude. The display of two decimal places was decided long before BTC was at 0.10 USD.

Quite correct.  I do mean the second order of magnitude.  Either way, I think the time has come!

Then do it.  Set your pricing in millibitcoins with a tooltip that says 1 BTC = 1000 mBTC.

As we slide down the banister of life, this is just another splinter in our ass.
FooDSt4mP
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 13, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
 #7

Or are you talking about the client?  Version 0.3.21 has the full 8 decimal places available.

As we slide down the banister of life, this is just another splinter in our ass.
error
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 588
Merit: 500



View Profile
May 13, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
 #8

Or are you talking about the client?  Version 0.3.21 has the full 8 decimal places available.

Yes, but they are not presently shown in the balance or in any transactions.

3KzNGwzRZ6SimWuFAgh4TnXzHpruHMZmV8
bearbones (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 316
Merit: 250



View Profile WWW
May 13, 2011, 07:39:56 PM
 #9

Then do it.  Set your pricing in millibitcoins with a tooltip that says 1 BTC = 1000 mBTC.

I liked your idea for mBTC, and I made it a currency option on bitmunchies.  It takes more than just a little blurb of explanation, though.  Even the relatively sophisticated bitcoin crowd are subject to brand recognition.  If 10-20% of bitcoin users start making transactions in mBTC, it will cause some confusion.  Perhaps if we got a consensus and coordinated the transition, it would go much smoother.

Feed Ze Birds Pay and get paid for tweets
Coinapult Send Bitcoins easily over email or text message
ShadowOfHarbringer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1470
Merit: 1005


Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952


View Profile
May 13, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
 #10

Or are you talking about the client?  Version 0.3.21 has the full 8 decimal places available.

So i understand the server/daemon version allows the usage of all decimal places ?

gmaxwell
Staff
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4158
Merit: 8382



View Profile WWW
May 13, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
 #11

So i understand the server/daemon version allows the usage of all decimal places ?

I use the CLI interface with the current software and I had no idea the GUI didn't display/accept full precision!

It works fine on the backend.


One problem with the current decimal point location is that after more deflation a typo wipes out your lifesavings.

Perhaps the client needs a maximum TX size setting? (that triggers a nasty warning if you exceed it?)

bpd
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 114
Merit: 10


View Profile
May 14, 2011, 01:10:23 AM
 #12

A very good idea. Fat finger mistakes in an irreversible transaction are very very bad.
graingert
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 227
Merit: 100


View Profile WWW
May 14, 2011, 01:13:07 AM
 #13

We could simply move the decimal point ie one decimal left shift.
such that instead of 0.10 BTC we have 1BTC

This would be very confusing unless everyone switched at once

 *Image Removed*
FooDSt4mP
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 14, 2011, 12:03:03 PM
 #14

Or are you talking about the client?  Version 0.3.21 has the full 8 decimal places available.

Yes, but they are not presently shown in the balance or in any transactions.

That's not true.  My client shows me my full balance (which has nonzero digits all the way to the eighth decimal) and transactions with full precision.  Version 0.3.21 on 64 bit linux, although I wouldn't think the platform would matter.

As we slide down the banister of life, this is just another splinter in our ass.
FooDSt4mP
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 182
Merit: 100


View Profile
May 14, 2011, 12:07:59 PM
 #15

Then do it.  Set your pricing in millibitcoins with a tooltip that says 1 BTC = 1000 mBTC.

I liked your idea for mBTC, and I made it a currency option on bitmunchies.  It takes more than just a little blurb of explanation, though.  Even the relatively sophisticated bitcoin crowd are subject to brand recognition.  If 10-20% of bitcoin users start making transactions in mBTC, it will cause some confusion.  Perhaps if we got a consensus and coordinated the transition, it would go much smoother.

Thanks.  I, for one, will be using this when browsing bitmunchies.  I agree it could be a brand recognition problem, but probably only for nonscientific Americans (like most of the people I know Wink).  Everyone else will recognize the milli prefix and understand.

As we slide down the banister of life, this is just another splinter in our ass.
lacedwithkerosene
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 112
Merit: 10


View Profile WWW
May 14, 2011, 08:10:16 PM
Last edit: May 15, 2011, 07:20:53 AM by lacedwithkerosene
 #16

Be sure to submit/vote for a standardized trade name at bitcoinbonus' thread (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8282.0)

(feel free to upvote 'bitbit' 'tidbit' Grin)

Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!