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May 19, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
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I stopped using dwolla and the exchanges months ago and have been doing all my purchases P2P, and I will never look back.

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I only use P2P now, was just ripped by a smaller exchange for 200 BTC so for the future will only use bitcoin-otc or people here
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May 20, 2012, 12:03:49 AM
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who is that small exchanger? please post it so everyone should avoid him

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May 21, 2012, 06:05:11 AM
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there;s nothing more to cover bob

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May 22, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
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Any other news so far? It's been kind of quiet in this thread. Anyone withdrew using DWOLLA recently? Anything unusual, other than 6 day wait?

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May 22, 2012, 05:02:07 PM
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still the same lag between mtgox to dwolla. i suggest you use a forum trader if you want to speed up the process

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May 22, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
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I just sent from MT.GOX to Dwolla.I'll update when it arrives.
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May 22, 2012, 09:06:54 PM
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I stopped using dwolla and the exchanges months ago and have been doing all my purchases P2P, and I will never look back.

This.

I only use P2P now, was just ripped by a smaller exchange for 200 BTC so for the future will only use bitcoin-otc or people here

But what service are you using for the other side of this transaction?
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May 28, 2012, 01:58:49 PM
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I just sent from MT.GOX to Dwolla.I'll update when it arrives.


Any good news?
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May 28, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
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use this post to exchange dwolla to btc or mtgox usd

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78512.msg926196#new

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May 28, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
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I just got an email from the big D asking me to verify my identity. They want a picture of my ID.

The reason I'm hesitant to do this is because when they see I'm not 18 they might pull a PayPal and freeze ("limit") my account.

I skimmed their TOS and I see nothing regarding age, so I should be fine. I  just wanted to ask here in case anybody has already gone through this and wants to share some advice.

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May 28, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
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I just got an email from the big D asking me to verify my identity. They want a picture of my ID.

The reason I'm hesitant to do this is because when they see I'm not 18 they might pull a PayPal and freeze ("limit") my account.

I skimmed their TOS and I see nothing regarding age, so I should be fine. I  just wanted to ask here in case anybody has already gone through this and wants to share some advice.

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I just got one as well. Fucking Dwolla. Just after a large p2p transfer, not even touching an exchange.

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May 28, 2012, 11:59:29 PM
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I didn't use an exchange either...

So what happens if we simply say "nope."?

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May 29, 2012, 12:01:46 AM
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I didn't use an exchange either...

So what happens if we simply say "nope."?
I suspect that isn't an option once you have agreed to their new terms. I didn't get the new ToS agreement notice on login until just a few days before the account was suspended.

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May 29, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
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I didn't use an exchange either...

So what happens if we simply say "nope."?

Per their User Conduct requirements, they can put a hold on your account for 90 days if you don't verify your identity in line with Veridian's requirements, so they'll probably do just that if you don't accept the new ToS.

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The reason I'm hesitant to do this is because when they see I'm not 18 they might pull a PayPal and freeze ("limit") my account.

Don't use MtGox then - they're ToS explicitly state that you must be 18 to have an account with them.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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May 29, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
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I didn't use an exchange either...

So what happens if we simply say "nope."?

Per their User Conduct requirements, they can put a hold on your account for 90 days if you don't verify your identity in line with Veridian's requirements, so they'll probably do just that if you don't accept the new ToS.
The thing is, I wasn't prompted to accept the new ToS until just before this thing went into lockdown mode. What a pain in the ass. Not even my damned BANK needs that info, an no I don't mean a brick-and-mortar bank, I mean an online one that I use for everything, including paycheck direct deposits.

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May 29, 2012, 12:56:35 AM
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I didn't use an exchange either...

So what happens if we simply say "nope."?

Per their User Conduct requirements, they can put a hold on your account for 90 days if you don't verify your identity in line with Veridian's requirements, so they'll probably do just that if you don't accept the new ToS.
The thing is, I wasn't prompted to accept the new ToS until just before this thing went into lockdown mode. What a pain in the ass. Not even my damned BANK needs that info, an no I don't mean a brick-and-mortar bank, I mean an online one that I use for everything, including paycheck direct deposits.

Yeah, it seems like it's been pretty well publicised that the changes were coming and would be effective from the end of May but they didn't prompt people enough about ensuring they were in line with the new requirements on the date they took effect.

Banks certainly can require a shit-ton of verification information but they tend not to if their risk management protocols deem a given account to be "low risk" unless there are transaction which trigger a change of status.  The very nature of Dwolla likely means that a greater proportion of accounts and transactions are regarded as "high risk" and so Veridian's requirements in regard to high risk accounts are being applied.  It's worth remembering that Veridian is a credit union and one reason credit unions had less defaults during the economic meltdown was because they often had more stringent requirements for borrowing than many banks.

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May 29, 2012, 12:57:42 AM
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Don't use MtGox then - they're ToS explicitly state that you must be 18 to have an account with them.

I was referring to Dwolla. Does Dwolla's TOS say this as well? I couldn't find it.

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May 29, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
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Don't use MtGox then - they're ToS explicitly state that you must be 18 to have an account with them.

I was referring to Dwolla. Does Dwolla's TOS say this as well? I couldn't find it.

Age isn't mentioned in Dwolla's ToS.  I wonder whether it would accept a registration if the DOB revealed the applicant to be a minor.  Perhaps they think that the requirement for funds to originate at and be disbursed to US financial institutions makes it unnecessary for them to address the issue.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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May 29, 2012, 03:42:31 AM
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3 weeks ago i complete my verification with dwolla, they ask this info just like paypal, they want to verify the info credentials that you use to register with them, i think no harm there, paypal makes a worst scenario asking for bank statements etc. i think your dwolla account will be limited until they verify the documents that they request.

i don;'t think why all people blame dwolla since paypal fuck everybody with this kind of requests

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May 29, 2012, 04:24:35 AM
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3 weeks ago i complete my verification with dwolla, they ask this info just like paypal, they want to verify the info credentials that you use to register with them, i think no harm there, paypal makes a worst scenario asking for bank statements etc. i think your dwolla account will be limited until they verify the documents that they request.

i don;'t think why all people blame dwolla since paypal fuck everybody with this kind of requests

I don't think PayPal has ever demanded that merchants require this from their customers, though :

Quote from: Dwolla
Hello,
As a merchant in the Dwolla community, we appreciate your shared interest in maintaining a safe and responsible payment network.
We'd like to let you know about a few changes we are rolling out shortly to merchants effected by bank level reversals, caused by identity theft and fraud.

Starting today, users sending money to your account will need to meet and/or maintain:

1) Connect a social network
2) Have a bank deposit 30 days old
3) Enable a DWOLLA hub page
4) Have a verified account

If you're a Dwolla user sending money to a merchant's Dwolla account, you're required to do more than just verify your account with Dwolla.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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