Why blockchains might want to consider using AT "Turing complete" txs

[kodtycoon]

If close source projects want to use AT that is of no concern to me (license is MIT not GNU).

If they make their version of AT *incompatible* with others then it would basically just either make it harder or maybe even impossible for that blockchain to participate in atomic cross-chain transfers (which wouldn't be likely to help with making their blockchain very popular).

I see your point.  I am also really impressed about how you handled yourself.  You gave back all the NXT when you parted ways.  In cryptoland that just doesn't happen that often.  

Just 2 days ago I was talking about how I thought CIYAM was one of the most valuable resources in NXT and how I thought you would come through with your project.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9191130#msg9191130

With CfB phasing out, and you gone, to me that just leaves James as the only person left that can code something new and interesting.  

there are lots of other coders working on nxt such as kushti(i think) who is coding some pretty cool stuff that will allow all sorts of things like "dead mans switch"(do a tx from another assigned address to send everything out of the 1st account and into another), and loads of other very useful types of transactions. its not just CFB and james.. there are plenty of other "less public" figures who are doing some very cool stuff.

having said that, it does seem that the number of these top end coders pumping out front end user features is really dwindling.

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[msin]

Are Cross-Chain transactions possible between two POS crypto's using AT?  i.e. if I wanted to trade Qora for Nxt or vice versa?

[CIYAM]

Are Cross-Chain transactions possible between two POS crypto's using AT?  i.e. if I wanted to trade Qora for Nxt or vice versa?

Yes - in fact using AT it would be possible to do such things between a PoS and a PoW blockchain!

[msin]

Are Cross-Chain transactions possible between two POS crypto's using AT?  i.e. if I wanted to trade Qora for Nxt or vice versa?

Yes - in fact using AT it would be possible to do such things between a PoS and a PoW blockchain!

Very cool.

[iluvpie60]

Very interesting! Would be nice to finally eliminate exchanges for good and make everything peer to peer that gets managed by a program. Would be amazing to have a temporary place to put the funds as sort of an escrow service.


One of the ways I have seen of doing it is kind of like this from a video game called Runescape.

It had 2 trade windows. 1st window shows what both people are offering, both parties have to hit accept button to get to 2nd window. 2nd window shows what both people are offering and asks you to double check everything looks right and if you both accept the trade is complete.

So in essence you could make a type of program that lets both people view the offerings for the trade, they both have to accept it once, then they both have to confirm it. If one of them declines the funds are still in their respective wallets. The funds would only be transferred back and forth if both people accept the final trade. I guess you don't really need 2 trade windows, just one(RS needed 2 windows because the 1st window could be changed during the trade, second window could not be and was the window you closely examined to make sure you agree withe verything that is being traded).

[DooMAD]

Will be sure to keep an eye on this.  I already think Qora is a coin with great potential and if they're going to be one of the first coins to join this, then it just makes it even better.

[Este Nuno]

Not too many people really deserve the "Legendary" title on this forum but I think you've earned it!

[PondSea]

Hi Ian,

Just saw this post in the Qora thread.

Just posting here to confirm that assuming the "crowdfunding" for the project is a success then the AT development team (myself, vbecas and btc2nxt) will be working along with the Qora development team to integrate AT.

i quited from AT team. i am continuing the working of NxtAT.

and i must clarify that i didn't know the crowdfunding and this confirmation before they are posted, i knew them from vbecas on Oct 12.

Just wondering how that would impact the AT team in general and what would it mean for the Qora/AT integration that has been fully funded!

[visual111]

If close source projects want to use AT that is of no concern to me (license is MIT not GNU).

If they make their version of AT *incompatible* with others then it would basically just either make it harder or maybe even impossible for that blockchain to participate in atomic cross-chain transfers (which wouldn't be likely to help with making their blockchain very popular).

I see your point.  I am also really impressed about how you handled yourself.  You gave back all the NXT when you parted ways.  In cryptoland that just doesn't happen that often.  

Just 2 days ago I was talking about how I thought CIYAM was one of the most valuable resources in NXT and how I thought you would come through with your project.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9191130#msg9191130

With CfB phasing out, and you gone, to me that just leaves James as the only person left that can code something new and interesting.  

NXT has a lot of talented devs. they just don't post like CFB/JL do....it seems they stick to technical sub forums

[CIYAM]

Just wondering how that would impact the AT team in general and what would it mean for the Qora/AT integration that has been fully funded!

I am sure that they won't have any big problems finding another dev to help with their implementation (I get the impression there is now growing interest in this invention and more helpful documentation will be coming).

[jabo38]

Not too many people really deserve the "Legendary" title on this forum but I think you've earned it!

+1 he has worked really hard for this

[solex]

Congratulations CIYAM, early days, but now this is available to the community I expect we will see some phenomenal applications resulting from it.

[Istanbul34]

This will be released at the NXT testnet first in the coming days right?

[wizzardTim]

This will be released at the NXT testnet first in the coming days right?

I don't know if it will be part of the NXT testnet, since it won't be integrated into NXT, correct me if I am wrong. It will initially be implemented in the core of Qora, making it the first world-wide AT integration.

[jabo38]

CIYAM,

What are the chances that something like your project could get adapted into the Bitcoin blockchain in a few years?

[CIYAM]

What are the chances that something like your project could get adapted into the Bitcoin blockchain in a few years?

I think the first step is to have the concept tested on a Litecoin clone first (we have had some interest in this already) then if that works out okay we'll try and get Litecoin itself to adopt it and then after that assuming everything is working okay for a year or two then maybe Bitcoin might be interested to know what this AT thing actually is (I don't have a marketing team nor can I attend conferences so unless they've noticed this topic it is likely they've never even heard of it).

Honestly it is far too early to tell about these things for now - but if the vast majority of other blockchains start adopting it then I do think Bitcoin will be *forced to take at least a serious look at it* (and hopefully by then it will have matured as well as had a thorough *hammering* on many blockchains).

To me a big part of the meaning of *decentralisation* is that "there should not be *one blockchain to rule them all*" which is why my idea is to offer AT to *all blockchains* and see if we can make it easy to do trustless transactions between them.

[msin]

I don't know if it will be part of the NXT testnet, since it won't be integrated into NXT, correct me if I am wrong. It will initially be implemented in the core of Qora, making it the first world-wide AT integration.

Correction, it will be on Nxt Testnet this weekend.  It's a specific dedicated NxtAT testnet.  Your information about integration is also wrong.  Qora might have an AT testnet up and running in two months (if he decides to actually do something on testnet).

Source's:
https://nxtforum.org/automated-transactions/information-of-the-at-project/msg117316/#msg117316
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9224248#msg9224248

Also, what's a "world-wide" integration?

[visual111]

I don't know if it will be part of the NXT testnet, since it won't be integrated into NXT, correct me if I am wrong. It will initially be implemented in the core of Qora, making it the first world-wide AT integration.

Correction, it will be on Nxt Testnet this weekend.  It's a specific dedicated NxtAT testnet.  Your information about integration is also wrong.  Qora might have an AT testnet up and running in two months (if he decides to actually do something on testnet).

Source's:
https://nxtforum.org/automated-transactions/information-of-the-at-project/msg117316/#msg117316
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9224248#msg9224248

Also, what's a "world-wide" integration?

you haven't heard of the Inuit people's regional use of AT?

right after bow and arrow, AT was popularized in their culture. westerners are quite far behind

[msin]

you haven't heard of the Inuit people's regional use of AT?

right after bow and arrow, AT was popularized in their culture. westerners are quite far behind

This was all shortly before they discovered the "wheel" 

[wizzardTim]

I don't know if it will be part of the NXT testnet, since it won't be integrated into NXT, correct me if I am wrong. It will initially be implemented in the core of Qora, making it the first world-wide AT integration.

Correction, it will be on Nxt Testnet this weekend.  It's a specific dedicated NxtAT testnet.  Your information about integration is also wrong.  Qora might have an AT testnet up and running in two months (if he decides to actually do something on testnet).

Source's:
https://nxtforum.org/automated-transactions/information-of-the-at-project/msg117316/#msg117316
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg9224248#msg9224248

Also, what's a "world-wide" integration?

Thanks for the correction.

But from what I know, it will be implemented into qoras core first.