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May 20, 2012, 04:43:40 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

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May 20, 2012, 04:44:42 AM
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+1

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May 20, 2012, 04:46:50 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

So then ignore the insurance.  Bid 1.1 and you'll get 1.28 in 28 days.  That's ~18% a month.  Is that not a fair return?

edit:  And the insurance isn't meaningless.  It means you'll get .32 btc back for your 1.1 if pirate defaults.  Using your scheme, you'd get nothing.

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May 20, 2012, 04:51:27 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

So then ignore the insurance.  Bid 1.1 and you'll get 1.28 in 28 days.  That's ~18% a month.  Is that not a fair return?

edit:  And the insurance isn't meaningless.  It means you'll get .32 btc back for your 1.1 if pirate defaults.  Using your scheme, you'd get nothing.

If i'm understanding correctly, he is talking about a higher return (similar to a pirate account) that is completely uninsured (more risk). In this way the acount holder transfers more (all) risk to bondholders while taking a smaller fee off the top than PPT does. I think it's a great idea.
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May 20, 2012, 04:52:05 AM
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I can do it if the fee is reasonable.

What would a reasonable fee be?

Thanks.

I was thinking that it'd be reasonable for someone with a 7% BS&T account to pay 6.5% to the asset and keep the remaining amount. It doesn't cost much to run an asset like this, so even higher payout percentages are possible.

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May 20, 2012, 04:52:48 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

If you're going to do this, why even put it on GLBSE?  Just make a forum posting offering to deposit in the btcst account.  People send the btc straight to account holder and they forward to pirate.  This avoids the GLBSE fees and reduces the number of steps needed.   In fact, there's already a bunch of these.  If the argument is that there can be bidding, then go ppt.x. Wink

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May 20, 2012, 04:54:29 AM
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If you're going to do this, why even put it on GLBSE?  Just make a forum posting offering to deposit in the btcst account.  People send the btc straight to account holder and they forward to pirate.  This avoids the GLBSE fees and reduces the number of steps needed.   In fact, there's already a bunch of these.  If the argument is that there can be bidding, then go ppt.x. Wink

GLBSE makes it much easier to keep track of depositors and make payments.

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May 20, 2012, 04:54:52 AM
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Okay, I will adjust TYGRR-P or TYGRR.P to this.

100% uninsured bonds at 6.5% weekly. (as requested by theymos)

Let me change the contracts. IPO will be Tuesday.

Awesome!

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May 20, 2012, 04:58:13 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

If you're going to do this, why even put it on GLBSE?  Just make a forum posting offering to deposit in the btcst account.  People send the btc straight to account holder and they forward to pirate.  This avoids the GLBSE fees and reduces the number of steps needed.   In fact, there's already a bunch of these.  If the argument is that there can be bidding, then go ppt.x. Wink

You mean like this?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60405.0
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May 20, 2012, 04:59:29 AM
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Idea to plan in 10 minutes, nice Cheesy

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May 20, 2012, 04:59:38 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

If you're going to do this, why even put it on GLBSE?  Just make a forum posting offering to deposit in the btcst account.  People send the btc straight to account holder and they forward to pirate.  This avoids the GLBSE fees and reduces the number of steps needed.   In fact, there's already a bunch of these.  If the argument is that there can be bidding, then go ppt.x. Wink

You mean like this?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60405.0
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No.  this is completely uninsured.

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May 20, 2012, 05:03:45 AM
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I'd like to invest with Bitcoin Savings & Trust, but it's apparently pretty difficult to get an account and you can't get the best interest rate without risking tons of BTC. PPT is alright, but, as Meni Rosenfeld pointed out, the "insurance" is mostly meaningless and only makes figuring out the risk/reward more difficult.

I'd like to see a GLBSE asset like this:
- Each share represents 1 BTC invested in BS&T and gets weekly dividend payments equal to whatever BS&T pays minus a small fee for the owner of the asset.
- Every week at some predetermined time, the asset owner creates enough new shares to fill all bids of 1 BTC or more.

Anyone with a BS&T account want to do this?

If you're going to do this, why even put it on GLBSE?  Just make a forum posting offering to deposit in the btcst account.  People send the btc straight to account holder and they forward to pirate.  This avoids the GLBSE fees and reduces the number of steps needed.   In fact, there's already a bunch of these.  If the argument is that there can be bidding, then go ppt.x. Wink

You mean like this?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60405.0
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No.  this is completely uninsured.

I'd do it with 7% uninsured for the first month and 6.5% thereafter if I can get at least 500 BTC that are unavailable for withdrawal for the first month.  Any takers?

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May 20, 2012, 05:08:58 AM
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i'd pay out 6.9% per week every month Cheesy

minimum deposit: 10 btc.

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May 20, 2012, 05:14:08 AM
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i'd pay out 6.9% per week every month Cheesy

minimum deposit: 10 btc.



Meh, I'll be on your level soon enough... stupid tiered interest.

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May 20, 2012, 05:24:01 AM
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I just setup shop at 6.75% per week.  Weekly payments.
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May 20, 2012, 05:32:29 AM
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Well, theymos, you just managed to start at least three new operations in about 45 minutes.

I don't think pirate's a scammer by any means, but the growing impact any catastrophe that might befall him or BS&T would have on the network is starting to scare me.

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May 20, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
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Well, theymos, you just managed to start at least three new operations in about 45 minutes.

Heh, maybe I should have tried harder to get a BS&T account so I could have run this myself. Smiley

I don't think pirate's a scammer by any means, but the growing impact any catastrophe that might befall him or BS&T would have on the network is starting to scare me.

I do tend to think it's a Ponzi scheme, so I view it as a form of gambling. Hopefully no one else is gambling more than they can afford to lose.

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May 20, 2012, 06:10:25 AM
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do tend to think it's a Ponzi scheme, so I view it as a form of gambling. Hopefully no one else is gambling more than they can afford to lose.

Me too. I just put in with payb.tc, and hedged it a little on betsofbitcoin. I also dumped my PPT shares... oops.
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May 20, 2012, 03:37:41 PM
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Well I guess it's a free market, but of 1?  

I guess 0.5% is OK, but then why not 0.1%, OR do you really want to sell some shares in GLBSE? How about 7.1%/wk?


I understand Theymos is respected and a good Admin for the Forum, but if his 'likability' translates into his wishes being turned into reality then it isn't a 'FreeMarket'.

However, it is a good thing. I just wished the market would have forced it to happen.


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May 20, 2012, 03:47:44 PM
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Well I guess it's a free market, but of 1?  

I guess 0.5% is OK, but then why not 0.1%, OR do you really want to sell some shares in GLBSE? How about 7.1%/wk?


I understand Theymos is respected and a good Admin for the Forum, but if his 'likability' translates into his wishes being turned into reality then it isn't a 'FreeMarket'.

However, it is a good thing. I just wished the market would have forced it to happen.


Testing... Testing...     Goat how about 7.5%/wk?  



Why would someone payout more than pirate for a pirate pass through?

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