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[ferdinant]

any information will it be liqiud cooled ?

[xstr8guy]

any information will it be liqiud cooled ?

No specs have been released yet, so no one knows. Supposedly we'll know on the 15th.

[klondike_bar]

any information will it be liqiud cooled ?

i think its safe to say NO. simply because the naming system used by Bitmain indicates that the C2,C3, Cx series is watercooled and the S-series is air cooled

[dmwardjr]

 Approximately .098 annually per kWH.

I'm stuck at the variable 0.0121

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AND EVERYTHING IN MY APARTMENT RUNS ON ELECTRICITY

When I say my approximate annual power rate is .098 cents per kWH, it is an average because of the different costs for the time of year, taxes and fees.  I posted my power costs in the State of Alabama in a previous post in this forum.

We would do well if the S5 has a lower watts per Gh/s rating than the S4.  It could be even better if it actually is liquid cooled to reduce heat which would also reduce electricity costs during the hotter months.  I just hope the price is not outrageous to make the ROI outrageous!

Liquid cooling does not reduce the amount of heat generated. Liquid cooling simply removes the heat from the chip more efficiently than air cooling. The same amount of heat is generated and is emitted from a liquid-cooled device as is from an air-cooled device. Heat doesn't just magically disappear.

Learn something all the time.

Thank you

[dmwardjr]

I see no need to respond further. You seem to have been able to rationalize the irrational with lots of words strung together. I wish you luck in your endeavors.

LOL


Thank you

That goes both ways!

Good luck to you as well.

By the way, that sounds like something a Progressive would say rather than a Bitcoin Libertarian like myself.

Why bring politics into this? But good guess! I am a proud progressive, dare I say liberal, lol.

LOL


Maybe I can convert you, but I doubt it.

[dmwardjr]

any information will it be liqiud cooled ?

i think its safe to say NO. simply because the naming system used by Bitmain indicates that the C2,C3, Cx series is watercooled and the S-series is air cooled

Good point.

Learn something all the time.

[mavericklm]

electronics wise water cooled might conme 0.01% less than air cooled

so we will have s1, s3 format with better randament than the previous 2...

[dmwardjr]

 Approximately .098 annually per kWH.

I'm stuck at the variable 0.0121

...
...
...

AND EVERYTHING IN MY APARTMENT RUNS ON ELECTRICITY

When I say my approximate annual power rate is .098 cents per kWH, it is an average because of the different costs for the time of year, taxes and fees.  I posted my power costs in the State of Alabama in a previous post in this forum.

We would do well if the S5 has a lower watts per Gh/s rating than the S4.  It could be even better if it actually is liquid cooled to reduce heat which would also reduce electricity costs during the hotter months.  I just hope the price is not outrageous to make the ROI outrageous!

Liquid cooling does not reduce the amount of heat generated. Liquid cooling simply removes the heat from the chip more efficiently than air cooling. The same amount of heat is generated and is emitted from a liquid-cooled device as is from an air-cooled device. Heat doesn't just magically disappear.

xtra8,

I'm curious, approximately how many degrees celsius do these rigs stay at that are liquid cooled?  It sounds like liquid cooling is there only to help units hash faster with no benefit whatsoever regarding keeping the ambient air around the unit cooler.  What a let down.  Maybe they ought to try Nitro Cooling (cooling with nitrogen oxide) or Freon cooling if they are going to bother with tubes and such.  Just a thought.

[dmwardjr]

electronics wise water cooled might conme 0.01% less than air cooled

so we will have s1, s3 format with better randament than the previous 2...

Thanks for the info!

Wow, sounds like the liquid cooling is just more there for looking, well, "cool."   LOL

[TheDragonSlayer]

So where is the S5 information, it was supposed to ship tomorrow.

[mavericklm]

yes for the looks, but also you can route the pipes and dump the heat 1mile away... also more heat can be moved with water than air
nos for cooling? not worth, not even LN2!
water is the last stage for home user. afte that you have to go a bit pro with freon cooling or submerging in special liquid!

[dmwardjr]

yes for the looks, but also you can route the pipes and dump the heat 1mile away... also more heat can be moved with water than air
nos for cooling? not worth, not even LN2!
water is the last stage for home user. afte that you have to go a bit pro with freon cooling or submerging in special liquid!

Thanks for the reply.

Interesting...

Thanks.  I'm sure there are many other mining geeks out there trying to come up with a unit that can keep the heat down while keeping the costs down per unit to try to obtain an attractive ROI.

[dmwardjr]

So where is the S5 information, it was supposed to ship tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on bitmaintech.com as well.  I keep checking their website at least once an hour.  They may have delays for some reason or another.  Maybe doing more extensive testing to avoid another Batch 1 fiasco like the S4 had.  However, all may be well and they just want to wait till tomorrow for whatever reason.  It could be that magazine just wanted to create a stir and try to get hits on their website.  Who knows?

[notlist3d]

So where is the S5 information, it was supposed to ship tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on bitmaintech.com as well.  I keep checking their website at least once an hour.  They may have delays for some reason or another.  Maybe doing more extensive testing to avoid another Batch 1 fiasco like the S4 had.  However, all may be well and they just want to wait till tomorrow for whatever reason.  It could be that magazine just wanted to create a stir and try to get hits on their website.  Who knows?

I know how you feel.  I keep checking, I wish there was a official announcement.

[mavericklm]

15 boys, 15!
Hope is still around 2 blades system with 2*6pin sockets/blade
same ~360w or 500w max power and speed around 1.5 times the power
plssssss not to be water cooled yet!

[Rabinovitch]

1 Th per blade, yep. 

[Medow]

Is there any way we can have 200 USD per 1TH some day?

[notlist3d]

Is there any way we can have 200 USD per 1TH some day?

Ofcourse.... will it be tomorrow no.  Chances are it will be a much larger TH machine (hard to guess future) and with the more TH they do lower price per TH.  I don't think were very close to the 200 goal you want.

[xstr8guy]

 Approximately .098 annually per kWH.

I'm stuck at the variable 0.0121

...
...
...

AND EVERYTHING IN MY APARTMENT RUNS ON ELECTRICITY

When I say my approximate annual power rate is .098 cents per kWH, it is an average because of the different costs for the time of year, taxes and fees.  I posted my power costs in the State of Alabama in a previous post in this forum.

We would do well if the S5 has a lower watts per Gh/s rating than the S4.  It could be even better if it actually is liquid cooled to reduce heat which would also reduce electricity costs during the hotter months.  I just hope the price is not outrageous to make the ROI outrageous!

Liquid cooling does not reduce the amount of heat generated. Liquid cooling simply removes the heat from the chip more efficiently than air cooling. The same amount of heat is generated and is emitted from a liquid-cooled device as is from an air-cooled device. Heat doesn't just magically disappear.

xtra8,

I'm curious, approximately how many degrees celsius do these rigs stay at that are liquid cooled?  It sounds like liquid cooling is there only to help units hash faster with no benefit whatsoever regarding keeping the ambient air around the unit cooler.  What a let down.  Maybe they ought to try Nitro Cooling (cooling with nitrogen oxide) or Freon cooling if they are going to bother with tubes and such.  Just a thought.

The only real world experience that I have with liquid cooled miners are two Monarchs. One is running 52c in ambient temps of about 78f. The other Monarch ran much hotter (mid-high 60s) but it melted a PCIe power connector and died.

[Medow]

Is there any way we can have 200 USD per 1TH some day?

Ofcourse.... will it be tomorrow no.  Chances are it will be a much larger TH machine (hard to guess future) and with the more TH they do lower price per TH.  I don't think were very close to the 200 goal you want.

What if i go directly to the source manufactures and buy a really large bulk asic?