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May 23, 2012, 11:53:52 PM
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TOS it is very clear that users have a limited license to use the service and that it may be revoked at any time for any reason.

Revoking service is a lot different than taking money they were owed.  Still sounds like you didn't tell them what they had done against your TOS.

When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com. Partners sign up of their own free will and at no cost to them. We do not gather contact information for followup communication with partners and as implied in the TOS we are under no obligation to inform partners of when or why they are banned.  If they contact us I am happy to discuss the matter with any partner that feels they have been unduly suspended and have a couple cases where we have happily worked things out.  This is all industry standard accepted practice. 

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May 23, 2012, 11:55:49 PM
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TOS it is very clear that users have a limited license to use the service and that it may be revoked at any time for any reason.

Revoking service is a lot different than taking money they were owed.  Still sounds like you didn't tell them what they had done against your TOS.

When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com. Partners sign up of their own free will and at no cost to them. We do not gather contact information for followup communication with partners and as implied in the TOS we are under no obligation to inform partners of when or why they are banned.  If they contact us I am happy to discuss the matter with any partner that feels they have been unduly suspended and have a couple cases where we have happily worked things out.  This is all industry standard accepted practice. 
Uhh... what about the advertiser? Why shouldn't he get his money back for what must be fraudulent clicks? So he is paying you to donate to a charity for him? What is this shit?

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May 23, 2012, 11:57:30 PM
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I doubt you'll read or respond to this, but.....

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TOS it is very clear that users have a limited license to use the service and that it may be revoked at any time for any reason.

Revoking service is a lot different than taking money they were owed.  Still sounds like you didn't tell them what they had done against your TOS.

When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com. Partners sign up of their own free will and at no cost to them. We do not gather contact information for followup communication with partners and as implied in the TOS we are under no obligation to inform partners of when or why they are banned.  If they contact us I am happy to discuss the matter with any partner that feels they have been unduly suspended and have a couple cases where we have happily worked things out.  This is all industry standard accepted practice. 
Uhh... what about the advertiser? Why shouldn't he get his money back for what must be fraudulent clicks? So he is paying you to donate to a charity for him? What is this shit?

The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.

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May 24, 2012, 12:14:22 AM
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... are they bad clicks or aren't they?

if they advertiser got what they paid for why didn't the publisher get paid for what they did?

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May 24, 2012, 12:39:40 AM
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The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.
So you consider those clicks good enough to tick off the "advertisers got what they paid for" box but not good enough to pass on the payment to the providers of those same clicks? Grin
How convenient.

Imagine an estate agent/escrow who sells your house and then tells you "I sold your house but it was crap, so you will not get paid. The purchasers got what they paid for though. So the deal is closed, I do whatever I please with the money I received for your crappy property, and you are BANNED" LOL
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May 24, 2012, 12:52:51 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.

The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.

Imagine an estate agent/escrow who sells your house and then tells you "I sold your house but it was crap, so you will not get paid. The purchasers got what they paid for though. So the deal is closed, I do whatever I please with the money I received for your crappy property, and you are BANNED" LOL

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May 24, 2012, 01:16:19 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.
I see nothing of the sort in your terms. I'm with tysat on this one.

As no terms are explicitly defined, your terms are this:
  • Currently you could earn 22.77 mBTC for one visitor!
  • Only 2% service fee
  • Free to use
  • Earnings paid automatically to you!

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May 24, 2012, 01:18:40 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.

The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.

Imagine an estate agent/escrow who sells your house and then tells you "I sold your house but it was crap, so you will not get paid. The purchasers got what they paid for though. So the deal is closed, I do whatever I please with the money I received for your crappy property, and you are BANNED" LOL

@Andrew Bitcoiner

Sounds like what you're doing.

No that doesn't actually translate at all because every ban to a partner occurs to protect the investment each advertiser makes who retain their remaining clicks to legitimate sources of traffic.  There will always be fraud in CPC advertising and I take diligent actions to stop and preempt click fraud so that advertisers get legit traffic to their site and earn new customers.  I cannot tell 100% what is click fraud and what is not but I can make reasonable assumptions about web traffic which is a tried and true industry. It's not easy to do that and it takes a careful judgement of the pros and cons each partner offers to our advertisers and I take that responsibility very seriously.  

As an advertiser on BitcoinAds myself I want my advertising bitcents to be the most effective as possible and future versions of the site will have better analytics for advertisers and partners so that they can legitimately earn bitcoin for using the service.  

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May 24, 2012, 01:19:40 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.
I see nothing of the sort in your terms. I'm with tysat on this one.

As no terms are explicitly defined, your terms are this:
Currently you could earn 22.77 mBTC
for one visitor!
Only 2% service fee
Free to use
Earnings paid automatically to you!

Let me direct you to http://www.bitcoinadvertisers.com/tos.php which is on the top right of every page on the website.

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May 24, 2012, 01:25:51 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.
I see nothing of the sort in your terms. I'm with tysat on this one.

As no terms are explicitly defined, your terms are this:
Currently you could earn 22.77 mBTC
for one visitor!
Only 2% service fee
Free to use
Earnings paid automatically to you!

Let me direct you to http://www.bitcoinadvertisers.com/tos.php which is on the top right of every page on the website.
I saw those. None of them pertain to how funds are dispersed and when they can be dispersed. They mention that you can terminate the contract at any time, but there's nothing about you being allowed to keep the funds. Thus, the implied terms overrule, and those imply that the earnings are paid automatically for each and every click.
When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.

The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.

Imagine an estate agent/escrow who sells your house and then tells you "I sold your house but it was crap, so you will not get paid. The purchasers got what they paid for though. So the deal is closed, I do whatever I please with the money I received for your crappy property, and you are BANNED" LOL

@Andrew Bitcoiner

Sounds like what you're doing.

No that doesn't actually translate at all because every ban to a partner occurs to protect the investment each advertiser makes who retain their remaining clicks to legitimate sources of traffic.  There will always be fraud in CPC advertising and I take diligent actions to stop and preempt click fraud so that advertisers get legit traffic to their site and earn new customers.  I cannot tell 100% what is click fraud and what is not but I can make reasonable assumptions about web traffic which is a tried and true industry. It's not easy to do that and it takes a careful judgement of the pros and cons each partner offers to our advertisers and I take that responsibility very seriously. 

As an advertiser on BitcoinAds myself I want my advertising bitcents to be the most effective as possible and future versions of the site will have better analytics for advertisers and partners so that they can legitimately earn bitcoin for using the service. 
I see none of this in your terms. Even then, why aren't the funds returned to the advertisers? If the clicks are clearly fraud, then the advertisers shouldn't have to pay for them. You should get the scammer tag for that alone (unless it was in the terms, but it clearly wasn't).

Next time, get a lawyer.

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May 24, 2012, 01:27:50 AM
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Seems like such a... bullshit corrupt "Fiat Currency" thing to do.

But hey, that's why I like bitcoins the way they work now, I know to just stay away from the dodgy ones.

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May 24, 2012, 01:29:34 AM
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When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.
I see nothing of the sort in your terms. I'm with tysat on this one.

As no terms are explicitly defined, your terms are this:
Currently you could earn 22.77 mBTC
for one visitor!
Only 2% service fee
Free to use
Earnings paid automatically to you!

Let me direct you to http://www.bitcoinadvertisers.com/tos.php which is on the top right of every page on the website.
I saw those. None of them pertain to how funds are dispersed and when they can be dispersed. They mention that you can terminate the contract at any time, but there's nothing about you being allowed to keep the funds. Thus, the implied terms overrule, and those imply that the earnings are paid automatically for each and every click.
When a partner is banned any bitcoin value accrued in the bitcoin address they provide is forfeit to BitcoinAdvertisers.com.

The advertiser pays for clicks and they got what they paid for.

Imagine an estate agent/escrow who sells your house and then tells you "I sold your house but it was crap, so you will not get paid. The purchasers got what they paid for though. So the deal is closed, I do whatever I please with the money I received for your crappy property, and you are BANNED" LOL

@Andrew Bitcoiner

Sounds like what you're doing.

No that doesn't actually translate at all because every ban to a partner occurs to protect the investment each advertiser makes who retain their remaining clicks to legitimate sources of traffic.  There will always be fraud in CPC advertising and I take diligent actions to stop and preempt click fraud so that advertisers get legit traffic to their site and earn new customers.  I cannot tell 100% what is click fraud and what is not but I can make reasonable assumptions about web traffic which is a tried and true industry. It's not easy to do that and it takes a careful judgement of the pros and cons each partner offers to our advertisers and I take that responsibility very seriously. 

As an advertiser on BitcoinAds myself I want my advertising bitcents to be the most effective as possible and future versions of the site will have better analytics for advertisers and partners so that they can legitimately earn bitcoin for using the service. 
I see none of this in your terms. Even then, why aren't the funds returned to the advertisers? If the clicks are clearly fraud, then the advertisers shouldn't have to pay for them. You should get the scammer tag for that alone (unless it was in the terms, but it clearly wasn't).

Next time, get a lawyer.

Are you a lawyer or providing legal advice?  Your whole statement doesn't amount to anything with Section 5 of the TOS.

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May 24, 2012, 01:29:47 AM
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Next time, get a lawyer.
What am I saying. It should have been obvious that you didn't know what you were doing when you tried committing trademark infringement on Google.

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May 24, 2012, 01:30:37 AM
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No that doesn't actually translate at all because every ban to a partner occurs to protect the investment each advertiser makes who retain their remaining clicks to legitimate sources of traffic.  There will always be fraud in CPC advertising and I take diligent actions to stop and preempt click fraud so that advertisers get legit traffic to their site and earn new customers.  I cannot tell 100% what is click fraud and what is not but I can make reasonable assumptions about web traffic which is a tried and true industry. It's not easy to do that and it takes a careful judgement of the pros and cons each partner offers to our advertisers and I take that responsibility very seriously.
What FRAUD are you talking about?
In my case at least you told me the website was banned because it is not suitable for you in your opinion and that you think it is a "spam site" because there were no updates in a while. I quote: "I don't believe this web property is a good fit for us".
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May 24, 2012, 01:32:12 AM
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Next time, get a lawyer.
What am I saying. It should have been obvious that you didn't know what you were doing when you tried committing trademark infringement on Google.

You didn't answer the question so I will assume you are not a lawyer or have any idea what you are talking about.  If you don't like the service, don't use it, very simple. 

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May 24, 2012, 01:35:18 AM
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Next time, get a lawyer.
What am I saying. It should have been obvious that you didn't know what you were doing when you tried committing trademark infringement on Google.

You didn't answer the question so I will assume you are not a lawyer or have any idea what you are talking about.  If you don't like the service, don't use it, very simple. 
Sorry, I was just about to respond to that. Give me a break.

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May 24, 2012, 01:37:58 AM
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Next time, get a lawyer.
What am I saying. It should have been obvious that you didn't know what you were doing when you tried committing trademark infringement on Google.

You didn't answer the question so I will assume you are not a lawyer or have any idea what you are talking about.  If you don't like the service, don't use it, very simple. 
Sorry, I was just about to respond to that. Give me a break.

For the benefit of those who were harmed by Andrew Bitcoiner, none of my information or advice constitutes legal advice. I'd advise getting a lawyer to discuss your legal options.

I second that, please have your lawyer contact me on http://www.bitcoinadvertisers.com/support.php

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May 24, 2012, 02:27:33 AM
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There will always be fraud in CPC advertising and I take diligent actions to stop and preempt click fraud
Please provide proof of your accusations about fraudulent traffic!

If you cannot do this, I and other users affected by your actions reserve the right to fill a lawsuit against you.

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May 24, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
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Definitely not the money making platform it was 'advertised' to be.  Not going to get into details, but I get somewheres around 100x profits from Operation Fabulous.

Everyone should just use www.operationfabulous.com, it clearly is a trustworthy platform.

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May 26, 2012, 01:27:06 PM
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I would like to see a scammer tag on anyone involved in this obvious theft

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