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October 30, 2014, 10:31:59 PM
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Don't fully understand what you are planning with cryptic, so it's not really my place to judge, but I have a couple of comments regardless:

- The domain choice kind of makes me cringe, I can't help but feel the club word has a childish connotation. On the other hand I like the cryptic part.
- Is PHPBB/SMF an elaborate choice or are you open to other suggestions? If your answer is the latter then please consider using a little bit more modern software:
    * NodeBB https://nodebb.org/
    * Discource http://www.discourse.org/
- For blogging software, I can highly recommend:
    * Ghost https://ghost.org/

I have experience with all of the above, so if you opt to go for those solutions and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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October 30, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
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The ideal domain name would've been cryptic.org, but that's taken, unfortunately. I can't speak for the organization, but I don't think they'd be against suggestions. Modern software is welcome to be experimented with; personally I'm not extremely familiar with either of your listed options, but forum software is pretty much all similar. I think the reason that PHPBB/SMF was decided upon was due to reliable experience in the past.

Congratz on making your first post, btw.  Tongue
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October 31, 2014, 09:19:26 AM
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Don't fully understand what you are planning with cryptic, so it's not really my place to judge, but I have a couple of comments regardless:

- The domain choice kind of makes me cringe, I can't help but feel the club word has a childish connotation. On the other hand I like the cryptic part.
- Is PHPBB/SMF an elaborate choice or are you open to other suggestions? If your answer is the latter then please consider using a little bit more modern software:
    * NodeBB https://nodebb.org/
    * Discource http://www.discourse.org/
- For blogging software, I can highly recommend:
    * Ghost https://ghost.org/

I have experience with all of the above, so if you opt to go for those solutions and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

On the domain, yes, I know it isn't the first choice, but it's what was provided
And the .org and .com domains were already taken.

As we said before, even the server itself is temporary as we're on a planning phase.
We're in fact very open to suggestions.

Hmmm I like those suggestions for the software,
I'll try them on a test server and give it a go if it's easy to manage and deploy.

Are you interested in joining Cryptic?
You're free to join as of now, but requirements like PGP Auth
And agreement on the rules agreed upon will be asked from you when we go
As a full blown crypto organization to the public.

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November 01, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
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Alright so development and activity is quite slow during the weekend.
We'll continue on Monday, but anyone feel free to contribute or do some volunteer work for us here Smiley

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November 03, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
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Hey everyone,

We're still looking for people to help out with Cryptic.
please drop me a message or reply here to help out.

Thanks,
SirLolicon

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November 04, 2014, 01:11:59 AM
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I can modifications to the website once I get the login credentials, haha. Until then, idk what to really do.

What is a PGP Authentication key, specifically? I looked it up, and I get it's a security measure, but what's the purpose
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November 04, 2014, 11:17:55 AM
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I can modifications to the website once I get the login credentials, haha. Until then, idk what to really do.

What is a PGP Authentication key, specifically? I looked it up, and I get it's a security measure, but what's the purpose

It's useful so we know that the person who owns the account now is still the same person Smiley

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November 04, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
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Hey guys,

sorrry I have been on a LOOOOONG weekend (not vacation but it was long).

So, did you miss me? (be honest - honour amongst Crypticts remember Wink )

OK, first I would like to apologize for being a bit late.
Sorry I had to go out of town for the weekend.

That being said, I am back and you can expect the logo (for those who seen the preview) to be ready by tomorrow.

Other than that, I will be in PM discussion with SirLolicon regarding the website.

The plan will proceed as scheduled for those who are interested.

Also for those who want to join please PM SirLolicon.

Thank you Smiley

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November 04, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
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Hey guys,

sorrry I have been on a LOOOOONG weekend (not vacation but it was long).

So, did you miss me? (be honest - honour amongst Crypticts remember Wink )

OK, first I would like to apologize for being a bit late.
Sorry I had to go out of town for the weekend.

That being said, I am back and you can expect the logo (for those who seen the preview) to be ready by tomorrow.

Other than that, I will be in PM discussion with SirLolicon regarding the website.

The plan will proceed as scheduled for those who are interested.

Also for those who want to join please PM SirLolicon.

Thank you Smiley

Welcome back!
Kinda got worried, and of course we missed you haha.

Let's get everything back on track then shall we.

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November 04, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
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I can modifications to the website once I get the login credentials, haha. Until then, idk what to really do.

What is a PGP Authentication key, specifically? I looked it up, and I get it's a security measure, but what's the purpose

It's useful so we know that the person who owns the account now is still the same person Smiley

How does one create one? If you post the PGP keys on the first page, wouldn't that make it available for anyone that would attempt impersonation? haha
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November 04, 2014, 10:40:23 PM
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I can modifications to the website once I get the login credentials, haha. Until then, idk what to really do.

What is a PGP Authentication key, specifically? I looked it up, and I get it's a security measure, but what's the purpose

It's useful so we know that the person who owns the account now is still the same person Smiley

How does one create one? If you post the PGP keys on the first page, wouldn't that make it available for anyone that would attempt impersonation? haha

Going to be honest with you here when I say that I haven't really gotten into PGP but from what I figure it's like BTC addresses (signing).
You sign a msg with your private key that proves it is you (you own the address). It is then converted to "public" format so that everyone else get's your "public" key and verifies that you are the owner.

Am I right here guys?

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November 05, 2014, 02:20:37 AM
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So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person
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November 05, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
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So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person

Well, right now we don't have much of authentication,
but maybe once we get our legit forum up and running we can
start using 2FA Auth so we can be a bit more sure, and using PGP keys
at the same time Smiley

We'll find a way soon, but I guess it's great that everyone's contributing
ideas and pointing out flaws Smiley

@Savvas,
any update on the credentials?

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November 05, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
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So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person

Well, right now we don't have much of authentication,
but maybe once we get our legit forum up and running we can
start using 2FA Auth so we can be a bit more sure, and using PGP keys
at the same time Smiley

We'll find a way soon, but I guess it's great that everyone's contributing
ideas and pointing out flaws Smiley

@Savvas,
any update on the credentials?

Have there been people PM'ing you regarding joining the organization? haha
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November 05, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
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Hi guys,

I have been in discussion with some very respected members of this community.
Comments have been passed to SirLolicon (and I expoect that he passed it further to all members).

Part of the comments I have received is our name - Cryptic.

It seems that it might not be the best name for the group.

Does anyone have anything else to propose?

Please post your suggestions as we are kind of stuck behind.

Thank you Smiley

PS: How about just a prime number? e.g 3301 - just an example......

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November 05, 2014, 07:28:49 PM
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Have you thought of setting up an IRC channel to discuss this?
I have created a temporary channel on freenode we can use:

#cryptic on freenode

feel free to join.
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November 07, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
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Sounds very interesting. I'm certainly interested at this stage.
Sounds like fun!
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November 09, 2014, 12:12:54 AM
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Hi guys,

I have been in discussion with some very respected members of this community.
Comments have been passed to SirLolicon (and I expoect that he passed it further to all members).

Part of the comments I have received is our name - Cryptic.

It seems that it might not be the best name for the group.

Does anyone have anything else to propose?

Please post your suggestions as we are kind of stuck behind.

Thank you Smiley

PS: How about just a prime number? e.g 3301 - just an example......

Great point Savvas.

Anyway, everyone is welcome as of now,
But later on we will be requiring everyone to have a PGP Key open to the public, and of course agreement to the rules.

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November 09, 2014, 05:16:28 AM
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So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person

Although it's a different technology (typically RSA in PGP/GPG vs. ECDSA in Bitcoin), think of it as working the same way as signing a Bitcoin transaction. Only you have the private key for your Bitcoin address. When you sign a transaction, you publish the public key and the signature. You are still (ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but with the public key and signature it can be mathematically proven that your private key signed the transaction. If you needed the private key to verify that signature, Bitcoin wouldn't work. The math is different, but the concept is the same. When you sign a message with your private key, you're (again, ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but anyone with a copy of your public key and the message+signature can mathematically prove that your private key signed the message.

Just like with Bitcoin, you never give your private key to anybody, but you can freely publish your public key. The mathematical relationship between the public key and the private key is what makes verifying the signatures (along with other public key cryptographic operations) possible. I'd suggest reading up on public key cryptography. Although it's not necessarily the best source of information, Wikipedia isn't a bad place to start, I know their articles on elliptic curve cryptography are quite easy to read and understand even if you're not a cryptographer or a mathematician.

Being interested in cryptography in general and especially cryptocurrencies, I'm definitely interested in this idea.

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November 09, 2014, 05:27:33 AM
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So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person

Although it's a different technology (typically RSA in PGP/GPG vs. ECDSA in Bitcoin), think of it as working the same way as signing a Bitcoin transaction. Only you have the private key for your Bitcoin address. When you sign a transaction, you publish the public key and the signature. You are still (ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but with the public key and signature it can be mathematically proven that your private key signed the transaction. If you needed the private key to verify that signature, Bitcoin wouldn't work. The math is different, but the concept is the same. When you sign a message with your private key, you're (again, ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but anyone with a copy of your public key and the message+signature can mathematically prove that your private key signed the message.

Just like with Bitcoin, you never give your private key to anybody, but you can freely publish your public key. The mathematical relationship between the public key and the private key is what makes verifying the signatures (along with other public key cryptographic operations) possible. I'd suggest reading up on public key cryptography. Although it's not necessarily the best source of information, Wikipedia isn't a bad place to start, I know their articles on elliptic curve cryptography are quite easy to read and understand even if you're not a cryptographer or a mathematician.

Being interested in cryptography in general and especially cryptocurrencies, I'm definitely interested in this idea.

Very nice input, and hopefylly made things
Crystal clear to those asking questions
Including myself..

Welcome aboard by the way,
Would you like to help developing our manifesto and rules

As well as the website we're currently constructing?

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