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October 26, 2014, 08:55:37 PM
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So we're seeing a trend in rising self-employed individuals which is bound to rise by year and we also see a trend of rising BTC use, so I am curious is there any overlap? I have personally freelanced before and getting paid in BTC was my preferred method since you can cashouts locally without any hassles and without the employer scamming you.

My only problems while freelancing were scammers and lack of professionals which I aim to solve in a new freelancer venue I've started here: (sorry for the shameless plug  Tongue)
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In any case I am wondering how the future looks for fellow self-employed professionals, will most people be working from home in the nearest hundred years with autonomous businesses appearing?
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October 26, 2014, 09:05:54 PM
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In any case I am wondering how the future looks for fellow self-employed professionals, will most people be working from home in the nearest hundred years with autonomous businesses appearing?

Yes, I just think so.
Autonomous businesses appearing for autonomous self-employed people.

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October 26, 2014, 09:06:40 PM
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So we're seeing a trend in rising self-employed individuals which is bound to rise by year and we also see a trend of rising BTC use, so I am curious is there any overlap? I have personally freelanced before and getting paid in BTC was my preferred method since you can cashouts locally without any hassles and without the employer scamming you.

Possibly there is a correlation between BTC use and self-employed individuals. BTC enables world wide participation in the free market economy. We are really in the early phase of the world wide free market. In a hundred years many jobs could be carried out from home but not all, such as surgery or hospital jobs.
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October 26, 2014, 09:18:36 PM
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I do work for bitcoin with my second job.
It's called a signature campaign! (Look below) Smiley
Of course I can't live from it, but it's a start.
It also helps to get convenient with the idea of getting paid in bitcoin.
It's only 0,025 bitcoin a week(25 messages a week), but it's worth it.

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October 26, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
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Has anyone approached oDesk, freelancer.com or any of the other similar websites about adding Bitcoin to their method of payment? Would be a great tool for all of these sites.
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October 26, 2014, 11:52:12 PM
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Has anyone approached oDesk, freelancer.com or any of the other similar websites about adding Bitcoin to their method of payment? Would be a great tool for all of these sites.

Have you ever read any of their ToS or Privacy Policies? Most of them keep a fractional reserve of your funds and collect interest on your funds from the bank, not to mention their tendency to scam. I myself have lost about 2,000$ to scamming by a company which I shall not name (starts with F), after someone has paid me for a job, clearly said that he was happy with it in the chats, then called up his credit card company and they reversed the payment which led said company to not only put my balance into a negative but actually take the money from other freelancers which I employed with said money. When I inquired about the info of said scammer they weren't willing to give that out.

In general I don't think that it would be beneficial to Bitcoin, we have plenty of scammers already, don't need new ones. (And F you, you scamming companies)
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October 27, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
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Sure its convenient to receive and can be converted fairly easily nowadays
Not a bad option for people who want to receive income from online.
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October 27, 2014, 12:35:42 AM
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Sure its convenient to receive and can be converted fairly easily nowadays
Not a bad option for people who want to receive income from online.

EDIT: Sorry apparently misread  the post  Wink
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October 27, 2014, 12:36:58 AM
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Sure its convenient to receive and can be converted fairly easily nowadays
Not a bad option for people who want to receive income from online.

Are you kidding me? When you are getting paid online you either first withdraw to Paypal then to the bank or straight to the bank which takes 1-2 weeks. With Bitcoin you get paid and can exchange BTC to fiat (sometimes even with a %) and get hard cash in your hand.

Hmm I said converting to Bitcoin is easier
Didn't mention paypal which is just a pain in the butt.
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October 27, 2014, 12:37:31 AM
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Ofc I would. Plus those stats seem impressive.
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October 27, 2014, 12:37:44 AM
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i really wouldnt mind getting paid with bitcoin nowadays. a lot of things i spend money on i can easily use bitcoin instead.

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October 27, 2014, 12:40:07 AM
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Has anyone approached oDesk, freelancer.com or any of the other similar websites about adding Bitcoin to their method of payment? Would be a great tool for all of these sites.

Have you ever read any of their ToS or Privacy Policies? Most of them keep a fractional reserve of your funds and collect interest on your funds from the bank, not to mention their tendency to scam. I myself have lost about 2,000$ to scamming by a company which I shall not name (starts with F), after someone has paid me for a job, clearly said that he was happy with it in the chats, then called up his credit card company and they reversed the payment which led said company to not only put my balance into a negative but actually take the money from other freelancers which I employed with said money. When I inquired about the info of said scammer they weren't willing to give that out.

In general I don't think that it would be beneficial to Bitcoin, we have plenty of scammers already, don't need new ones. (And F you, you scamming companies)
Well you would obviously need to trust any company like this that you are doing work for/through. I wouldn't think that any company like this would engage in fractional reserves as they are not a lending institution so there would be very little reason for them to not have all of the funds that would be owed to you upon completion of your work (the only exception to this would be if the free lance company were to trust the client enough to not make them pay upfront).

I don't think we would see a lot of scams from companies not paying for work provided as this is a very serious crime that is generally prosecuted by law enforcement, and it would be easy to prove if you were paid or not


 
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October 27, 2014, 12:59:09 AM
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Has anyone approached oDesk, freelancer.com or any of the other similar websites about adding Bitcoin to their method of payment? Would be a great tool for all of these sites.

Have you ever read any of their ToS or Privacy Policies? Most of them keep a fractional reserve of your funds and collect interest on your funds from the bank, not to mention their tendency to scam. I myself have lost about 2,000$ to scamming by a company which I shall not name (starts with F), after someone has paid me for a job, clearly said that he was happy with it in the chats, then called up his credit card company and they reversed the payment which led said company to not only put my balance into a negative but actually take the money from other freelancers which I employed with said money. When I inquired about the info of said scammer they weren't willing to give that out.

In general I don't think that it would be beneficial to Bitcoin, we have plenty of scammers already, don't need new ones. (And F you, you scamming companies)
Well you would obviously need to trust any company like this that you are doing work for/through. I wouldn't think that any company like this would engage in fractional reserves as they are not a lending institution so there would be very little reason for them to not have all of the funds that would be owed to you upon completion of your work (the only exception to this would be if the free lance company were to trust the client enough to not make them pay upfront).

I don't think we would see a lot of scams from companies not paying for work provided as this is a very serious crime that is generally prosecuted by law enforcement, and it would be easy to prove if you were paid or not

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Sure sounds like they are holding your funds in a fractional reserve while collecting interest on your cash.

The company itself doesn't scam you directly in the sense that they refuse to let you withdraw etc. They scam you in a sense that they put you in a vulnerable position where you get your funds stolen and then refuse to give away the information of the scammer due to their privacy policy. If I have a business which allows some of my customers to steal freely from my other customers while I cover up for the scamming customers without making the risks clear then I am a scammer by definition:
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Definition of SCAMMER. a dishonest person who uses clever means to cheat others out of something of value <Internet scammers who never seem to run out of swindles>

This is the very reason why I started the first honest freelancing website, it's the first honest financial website connected to the internet as far as I'm concerned.
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October 27, 2014, 01:12:58 AM
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work for BTC, in my spare time
work on BTC, if the pay is right

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October 27, 2014, 01:49:27 AM
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Bitcoin is good payment method for online or international payment. It is impossible to be reversed by the job providers who have no way to set up a scam.

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October 27, 2014, 01:54:16 AM
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Cash is king.

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October 27, 2014, 01:58:00 AM
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Somehow I manage to do it without a third party site taking a cut. (I'm a freelance writer.) This looks like it would be good for getting people started though.
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October 27, 2014, 02:14:52 AM
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Somehow I manage to do it without a third party site taking a cut. (I'm a freelance writer.) This looks like it would be good for getting people started though.

You would have yourself exposed to a lot more employers this way though. I can see it working once you've established relationships but sometimes even relationships go sour, 5% isn't that much, I think that I would rather pay 5% than be exposed to the added risks and actually losing a set amount per year due to scams.

Bitcoin is good payment method for online or international payment. It is impossible to be reversed by the job providers who have no way to set up a scam.

Right on.
Solves the problem of reversed funds.

cough cough, shitpal.

My point exactly!
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October 27, 2014, 04:15:07 AM
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I think you'll find that freelancers who are aware of bitcoin are more ready to work for bitcoin than any other on-line payment system, the reason for it is instant payments without the need of any third party, they can work for as low as a $ and get paid within minutes. But only thing that stops them is A. Lack of work B. Trust


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October 27, 2014, 05:36:06 AM
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yes i would. or take half btc and half cash.

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