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May 29, 2012, 04:16:18 AM
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I recently wrote a blog article on the local red light cameras by using the city's documents. I've found that many other groups and individuals around the country are doing this also. But to help people out, I'd like to have an FTP where people could upload their primary sources for everyone to use. I'm willing to pick up a domain, but I don't have money for hosting. I need some advice on where to go (I'm thinking iPage) for a site that I don't have to worry about filling up and offers multiple FTP accounts so everyone doesn't have access to the root. Or, if anyone has hosting or an FTP account they want to donate for this reason, that would be appreciated also. I figure this should be pretty simple, but if you're looking to help out, or have some advice on something I might be missing, let me know. Finally, if you think this is a good idea and just want access to raw data from municipalities on red light cameras (hopefully including video), the best way is to help it get started on funding. You can send a few coins to this address: 18J1QE6A2zeiHLM1ZDQespvaKBbPLBsQwv.

If your city has red light cameras, this could be a great way to gain access to those documents, and similar ones. If your city doesn't have them, and you have over 20k people, then the camera companies haven't got to you yet and this site could be valuable in dissuading your local government when the need arises. Obviously we don't need a huge amount to get started. But the more we get, the better, because then I could just purchase multiple years of hosting and not worry about it.

If you have any red light camera documents (or got ticketed and have some information you can post, like videos or whatever) let me know if you want to get those to me. Right now I'm uploading my stuff to davidshamblin.net/RedLight .

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May 29, 2012, 04:43:17 AM
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I live in a town of 30k, and we need cameras. there have been 22 traffic signal related accidents just this month. everyone just slows then goes

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May 29, 2012, 12:50:57 PM
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I live in a town of 30k, and we need cameras. there have been 22 traffic signal related accidents just this month. everyone just slows then goes

That's crazy. You definitely need something. Why do people run it? Is the timing really long or something? Just be careful what you wish for. Since they put them up where I live, red light running accidents have increased (right angle accidents, the worst kind) . All of the official records from other cities I've seen has shown at best minimal (2-3%) drops in accidents, but over time the numbers start to revert back to what they were. All of the info I've seen on the extreme efficacy of these is usually put out by an interested party (camera companies or municipalities) . But your community definitely needs to curb that, just don't be like the farmers in the dust bowl falling for a fast talking salesman looking to suck money out of your community for some magic solution.

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May 29, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
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Need moar roundabouts.

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Need moar roundabouts.

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May 29, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
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Red light cameras as a "safety" device uses tenuous logic to justify their use. 

What RLCs do:
  • Take a picture of someone breaking the law
  • ...that's it

What RLC's DON'T do:
  • Check current registration/proof of insurance
  • Administer field sobriety test
  • Check for outstanding warrants
  • Check for illegal contraband
  • Check for stolen vehicles
  • ...and the list goes on

Much like the TSA screenings, it's security theater.

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May 29, 2012, 06:04:47 PM
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Actually, 2 of the cop cars around here have four cameras, one on each corner of the car. Their sole purpose is to collect license plate pictures, and run them through a database to see whether the car was marked stolen. There is no reason that red light cameras couldn't do this in addition to the useless function they don't properly perform now.


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May 29, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
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Actually, 2 of the cop cars around here have four cameras, one on each corner of the car. Their sole purpose is to collect license plate pictures, and run them through a database to see whether the car was marked stolen. There is no reason that red light cameras couldn't do this in addition to the useless function they don't properly perform now.

Ok, technically I guess it could perform a real-time check of whether the car is stolen or not or pull up info on the registered owner.  But none of that is really actionable as it would be within the context of a real face-to-face traffic stop  Smiley

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May 29, 2012, 06:10:34 PM
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Actually, 2 of the cop cars around here have four cameras, one on each corner of the car. Their sole purpose is to collect license plate pictures, and run them through a database to see whether the car was marked stolen. There is no reason that red light cameras couldn't do this in addition to the useless function they don't properly perform now.

Ok, technically I guess it could perform a real-time check of whether the car is stolen or not or pull up info on the registered owner.  But none of that is really actionable as it would be within the context of a real face-to-face traffic stop  Smiley
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May 30, 2012, 12:30:33 AM
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Its the cops around here. They see no problem. all a bunch of good ole boys in lil Columbus, NE. Google Platte county Nebraska, and Letterman show at the same time, and have some laughs.

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May 30, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
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Red light cameras as a "safety" device uses tenuous logic to justify their use. 

What RLCs do:
  • Take a picture of someone breaking the law
  • ...that's it

What RLC's DON'T do:
  • Check current registration/proof of insurance
  • Administer field sobriety test
  • Check for outstanding warrants
  • Check for illegal contraband
  • Check for stolen vehicles
  • ...and the list goes on

Much like the TSA screenings, it's security theater.

You forgot to mention that they raise a bunch of money for the city and the private company who owns them.

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May 30, 2012, 01:21:38 AM
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You forgot to mention that they raise a bunch of money for the city and the private company who owns them.
If people pay the tickets, that is.

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May 30, 2012, 01:39:43 AM
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You forgot to mention that they raise a bunch of money for the city and the private company who owns them.
If people pay the tickets, that is.

They definitely pay. So much so that the city here raised over 1300 dollars in a couple months just from online convenience fees.

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May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 AM
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You forgot to mention that they raise a bunch of money for the city and the private company who owns them.
If people pay the tickets, that is.

They definitely pay. So much so that the city here raised over 1300 dollars in a couple months just from online convenience fees.
Perhaps so, I was just recalling some Cali installations that are being removed because the fines weren't being paid and were losing money.

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May 30, 2012, 02:19:35 AM
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You forgot to mention that they raise a bunch of money for the city and the private company who owns them.
If people pay the tickets, that is.

They definitely pay. So much so that the city here raised over 1300 dollars in a couple months just from online convenience fees.
Perhaps so, I was just recalling some Cali installations that are being removed because the fines weren't being paid and were losing money.

That's awesome. I wish that were the case here. It was funny, the other day there was a red light running accident and the headline was "Red Light Camera Settles Accident Dispute." Thank goodness we had cameras that were intended to settle accident disputes! Oh wait, it was supposed to prevent the accident in the first place. And it didn't, because a distracted driver just drove right through the intersection. I bet if they added more cameras around the city we wouldn't have a problem with drunk or distracted drivers blowing through red lights.

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