Today was a good day...

[jaysabi]

You know why the country is so messed up? Because both republicans and democrats know you don't have a choice.

No wonder the two party system can't be broken. You're too busy celebrating your small "victories" rather than demanding better options.

I took two parts of your quote a little out of context, but I just wanted to put them side by side for emphasis.

I believe he/she meant to say No wonder the two party system CAN be broken as a counter argument...

Nope, I meant it like I wrote it. The two party system can't be broken because no matter how terribly both parties run the country, they've passed laws making it nearly impossible for any other party to get on the ballot. Then they trick the population into short term thinking and pissing matches between the two parties so that you never consider any other options as viable.

As long as there are only two parties, they don't have to convince you they're a good candidate. They just have to convince you the other candidate is worse. That's why you see so many god damn negative attack ads about the opponent and hardly any positive ads about their own candidate. They're not trying to sell you on themselves, it's easier to sell you against the other guy and then the only guy left to vote for is your guy.

Democratic rhetoric: The Republicans are so terrible, you have to elect us to stop them from destroying this country.
Republican rhetoric: The Democrats are so terrible, you have to elect us to stop them from destroying this country.

Meanwhile, both parties ignore all third parties and exclude them from debates, refuse to participate in any debate where a third party candidate is present, and write laws that make unwieldy signature requirements to get a candidate on the ballot. And once those requirements are met, dems/repubs ALWAYS sue in court to challenge the validity of the signatures to force the small parties to use up their very limited funds defending against the lawsuit, just to stay on the ballot, where the large parties can easily afford the expense of the lawsuit.

No, I very much meant what I said when I said "No wonder the two party system can't be broken." And a large part of that assessment was that we Americans are too stupid to know better, because we're content to have our arguments about which of the two politicians is 'omg, like, rly rly the most terrible! I have to make sure that guy, like, totally doesn't win!'

[jaysabi]

You know why the country is so messed up? Because both republicans and democrats know you don't have a choice.

No wonder the two party system can't be broken. You're too busy celebrating your small "victories" rather than demanding better options.

I took two parts of your quote a little out of context, but I just wanted to put them side by side for emphasis.

I believe he/she meant to say No wonder the two party system CAN be broken as a counter argument...

Given that Obama has been trying to destroy the separation of powers, given that he has hundreds of times taken action that is constitutionally the domain of Congress, given the Stasi like intimidation atmosphere he has fostered with his abuse of the IRS as a political tool, I think he was doing nothing but aiming to destroy the two party system.

Babble about "both parties are the same, both parties are just as corrupt" completely ignored that the people (from all parties) have just stood up and said...

"No, Mr. Obama, you are not a king."

But the next two years will be extremely dangerous.

Oh please! The people stood up to 'Obama's fascism' and said 'we won't tolerate your king-like power grabs' by returning to power the other party that was doing this stuff right before Obama? Remember what a 'tyrant' George Bush was? The fact that you consider returning to power the other party of unlimited government a victory for limited government is a sign of how messed up the collective American mindset is. You're celebrating a not-victory, but you're convinced it's very meaningful and symbolic. In reality, nothing has changed, and nothing will change. The two-party system cannot be broken by voting in the two-party system.

[Wilikon]

The question on that cover was truly answered in 2014:


none of the above

[LiteCoinGuy]

I don't see how replacing democrats with republicans can be considered a good thing, they are two cheeks of the same backside that both sell their principles (or lack thereof) to the highest bidder.

yeah, every couple of years the USA switches from A to B and B to A
i guess the powerfull people in US dont care about that.

[Wilikon]

Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/

[My Name Was Taken]

Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/

I guess they did that. Too bad Republicans are the only other choice.

[TheButterZone]

A "choice" implies a meaningful distinction other than just a name. They're both sides of a 2-dimensional, tyrannical coin right now.

If a non-Libertarian party were to convert or be infiltrated to create a party majority with libertarian beliefs, then there would be a meaningful distinction between parties, of tyrants vs liberators.

[DhaniBoy]

basically all political parties are the same, seeking power for their hegemony, no friends or foes in politics but that there is a lasting interest, in politics a lot of interest at stake, sometimes in one day and the other day they were friends they are hostile, between democrat and republican are a couple of similarities include:
1. They want to strengthen their hegemony in America
2. They want to control the world's energy, such as petroleum
3. always use want to interfere in the internal affairs of others
4. related to the interests of foreign affairs, they always interfere internal security of other countries
5. raise the issue of terrorism as a major issue the world
6. ISIS raises the issue as a major issue the world today
7. make Israel as their eternal friend, and always supports the entire decision israel in palestine
8. the senate controlled entirely by Jews

so the real America, too much controlled by Jews ... 

[Wilikon]

basically all political parties are the same, seeking power for their hegemony, no friends or foes in politics but that there is a lasting interest, in politics a lot of interest at stake, sometimes in one day and the other day they were friends they are hostile, between democrat and republican are a couple of similarities include:
1. They want to strengthen their hegemony in America
2. They want to control the world's energy, such as petroleum
3. always use want to interfere in the internal affairs of others
4. related to the interests of foreign affairs, they always interfere internal security of other countries
5. raise the issue of terrorism as a major issue the world
6. ISIS raises the issue as a major issue the world today
7. make Israel as their eternal friend, and always supports the entire decision israel in palestine
8. the senate controlled entirely by Jews

so the real America, too much controlled by Jews ... 

Joooooooooooos And the Illuminati

[My Name Was Taken]

A "choice" implies a meaningful distinction other than just a name. They're both sides of a 2-dimensional, tyrannical coin right now.

If a non-Libertarian party were to convert or be infiltrated to create a party majority with libertarian beliefs, then there would be a meaningful distinction between parties, of tyrants vs liberators.

Yeah, I should have put "choice" in quotes. I don't believe the parties are very distinguishable.

[Spendulus]

...
7. make Israel as their eternal friend, and always supports the entire decision israel in palestine
8. the senate controlled entirely by Jews

so the real America, too much controlled by Jews ... 

Joooooooooooos And the Illuminati

What?  It's the Jews?  I thought it was the Joes.  All this time I've been worried about everyone named Joe Smith or Joe Schepshag or Joe Hesus and what is this?

Look, I don't doubt you know your stuff, but seriously here.  It's the Joes, man.

[Wilikon]

...
7. make Israel as their eternal friend, and always supports the entire decision israel in palestine
8. the senate controlled entirely by Jews

so the real America, too much controlled by Jews ... 

Joooooooooooos And the Illuminati

What?  It's the Jews?  I thought it was the Joes.  All this time I've been worried about everyone named Joe Smith or Joe Schepshag or Joe Hesus and what is this?

Look, I don't doubt you know your stuff, but seriously here.  It's the Joes, man.

Some, like DhaniBoy here has been led to believe Joe is short for Jewseph. He would be right, supposely. Here is the proof:



 

[El Emperador]

too late 

[Spendulus]

...
7. make Israel as their eternal friend, and always supports the entire decision israel in palestine
8. the senate controlled entirely by Jews

so the real America, too much controlled by Jews ... 

Joooooooooooos And the Illuminati

What?  It's the Jews?  I thought it was the Joes.  All this time I've been worried about everyone named Joe Smith or Joe Schepshag or Joe Hesus and what is this?

Look, I don't doubt you know your stuff, but seriously here.  It's the Joes, man.

Some, like DhaniBoy here has been led to believe Joe is short for Jewseph. He would be right, supposely. Here is the proof:



 

Very interesting.  I was just joking around, but your facts are indisputable.

Wait a moment....

LOL...

[bluemountain]

Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/

I guess they did that. Too bad Republicans are the only other choice.

While both parties are somewhat similar as neither party wants to have any kind of radical changes to the US they are different on many issues and there are also many public officials that do not affiliate with either party

[My Name Was Taken]

Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/

I guess they did that. Too bad Republicans are the only other choice.

While both parties are somewhat similar as neither party wants to have any kind of radical changes to the US they are different on many issues and there are also many public officials that do not affiliate with either party

On the biggest issues, I don't see much difference. Pro-war, anti-privacy, pro-Big Government, pro-deficit spending. Also, not many lawmakers on the national level that do not affiliate with either party. If you can name 5 Congressmen (out of 535!) who aren't Democrats or Republicans, I'd consider that a lot!

[jaysabi]

Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/

I guess they did that. Too bad Republicans are the only other choice.

While both parties are somewhat similar as neither party wants to have any kind of radical changes to the US they are different on many issues and there are also many public officials that do not affiliate with either party

On the biggest issues, I don't see much difference. Pro-war, anti-privacy, pro-Big Government, pro-deficit spending. Also, not many lawmakers on the national level that do not affiliate with either party. If you can name 5 Congressmen (out of 535!) who aren't Democrats or Republicans, I'd consider that a lot!

Bernie Sanders calls himself an "independent" doesn't he? Even though he mostly sides with democrats. I guess that would leave four more...