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November 08, 2014, 12:50:00 AM
Last edit: November 08, 2014, 02:44:54 AM by theymos
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I made three improvements to the Trust system:

Firstly, there is now a neutral rating type. Neutral ratings don't affect a person's trust score at all. On a person's trust page, positive ratings are bold, neutral ratings are italic, and negative ratings are red bold-italic.

Secondly, it is now possible to exclude users in your trust list. Prefix a person's name with a tilde character (~) if you want to exclude them. If you exclude someone, then you will never see that person's ratings as trusted, even if the person is trusted by other people in your trust network.

Exclusions also travel through the trust network. If one person in your trust network trusts someone and another person excludes them, then whether or not they're seen as trusted for you is decided using these rules:
1. If someone at a lower depth (ie, closer to your trust list) disagrees with someone at a higher depth, then the person at the lowest depth wins. Due to this, no one can overrule anything you put in your trust list directly.
2. If multiple people at the same depth disagree, then the rating type that is most popular among these people wins. For example, say that you have three people in your trust list. If two of them trust someone and one of them excludes that person, then the person will not be excluded.
3. If an equal number of people at the same depth include and exclude a person, then the person will be included.

Finally, I added an easier-to-understand way of viewing your trust network to the trust settings page. The number in parentheses is the number of people in the preceding (lower) depth level who trust the person minus the number of people at the preceding depth level who exclude that person. This view contains slightly less information than the hierarchical view -- there's a link to the old view at the bottom of the trust settings page.

Also, the maximum trust depth is now 4 instead of 3, though it's probably still not a good idea to go above 2.

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November 08, 2014, 01:50:44 AM
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Thank you for updating the trust system and adding neutral trust. I think that people using neutral for feedback with decrease feedback disputes.

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November 08, 2014, 02:05:48 AM
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Why doesn't the trust rating show up in this section? Always wondered about it.






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November 08, 2014, 02:12:15 AM
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Why doesn't the trust rating show up in this section? Always wondered about it.

Trust is not visible in sections where users are unlikely to be making financial transactions, such as Meta, Off-topic, and Bitcoin Discussion. It makes sense that it only shows in sections like Lending, Auctions, etc. where trust rating is actually relevant to discussions.
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November 08, 2014, 02:13:53 AM
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I am curious about when a neutral trust rating would be appropriate...
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November 08, 2014, 02:14:47 AM
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Why doesn't the trust rating show up in this section? Always wondered about it.
Its because we don't need trust here

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November 08, 2014, 02:17:59 AM
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Thanks for the update Theymos!

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November 08, 2014, 02:28:28 AM
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I am curious about when a neutral trust rating would be appropriate...

When someone doesn't like someone else, or thinks the actions are incorrect, or feels the other is planning a scam. It was quite incorrect to actually label with a red mark when the trust giver hasn't been scammed yet.
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November 08, 2014, 04:11:57 AM
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There actually appears to be a fourth improvement: trust you leave no longer will default to 'positive' trust when leaving feedback, a user now must actively choose what kind of trust they want to take. This will prevent someone from accidentally leaving positive feedback when negative was intended while forgetting to check the box that says "negative"

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November 08, 2014, 04:21:40 AM
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Thank you for adding the improvements, theymos. The trust system is much better now in my opinion.
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November 08, 2014, 04:23:29 AM
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Thank you for adding the improvements, theymos. The trust system is much better now in my opinion.

I agree with you. The neutral trust option is definitely a great improvement, and also now that positive trust is in bold as well.

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November 08, 2014, 05:15:25 AM
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Thanks for this new feature theymos !
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November 08, 2014, 06:33:25 AM
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Why doesn't the trust rating show up in this section? Always wondered about it.

Trust is not visible in sections where users are unlikely to be making financial transactions, such as Meta, Off-topic, and Bitcoin Discussion. It makes sense that it only shows in sections like Lending, Auctions, etc. where trust rating is actually relevant to discussions.

I know it is not needed here, but even then it shows up in a lot of sections where it is not needed. Seems it takes extra effort to turn it off and wondering if there was a better reasoning for it.






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November 08, 2014, 06:43:33 AM
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Thank you for updating the trust system and adding neutral trust. I think that people using neutral for feedback with decrease feedback disputes.
Agree with Beastlymac thanks Theymos for the trust adjustments neutral trust should get rid of most of the feedback disputes and the exclusion mechanism keeps a balance, not sure I would ever need trust depth 4 but its a convenient option.
Good change in my opinion as it leads to a more balanced system
Now we just need to see how it works in action and if anything will need to be tinkered
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(Hmm noticed some of my ancient ratings ended up as positive for scammers aka didn't click the scam button long ago but otherwise smooth transition changed them appropriately)
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November 08, 2014, 06:54:12 AM
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I often leave negative trust feedback for scammers before they scam anyone, or after they scam others. I don't often get scammed myself.

After these changes, I don't see a way of doing that any more, so what should I do?

When I see someone who is clearly untrustworthy, do I check "I was scammed" even though I wasn't? Or do I just not leave them any feedback, since they didn't personally scam me?

Perhaps the wording next to "negative" should be changed from "I was scammed" to "this person isn't trustworthy".

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November 08, 2014, 06:56:45 AM
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Finally! Good to see a some improvement after it was so widely requested.
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November 08, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
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It definitely works better to put a negative trust on a higher risk scam such as members who have just joined the forum and are starting ponzis.

Another would be to put a neutral on a possibly more trusted member who you think is acting suspicious as well, but your allegations are not set in stone yet.
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November 08, 2014, 07:07:37 AM
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It definitely works better to put a negative trust on a higher risk scam such as members who have just joined the forum and are starting ponzis.

The new wording seems to disallow that kind of rating. "negative" now means "I was scammed", and not things like "runs a scammy Ponzi scheme".

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November 08, 2014, 07:12:20 AM
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I often leave negative trust feedback for scammers before they scam anyone, or after they scam others. I don't often get scammed myself.

Perhaps the wording next to "negative" should be changed from "I was scammed" to "this person isn't trustworthy".

Sounds like a fair suggestion in my opinion since its a good change in wording.
It's possible for people to be suspicious from the start and it doesn't hurt to be proactive in preventing fraud since it's not always "I was scammed" but I am preventing people from scamming / their intentions are suspicious to me.
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November 08, 2014, 07:16:35 AM
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I often leave negative trust feedback for scammers before they scam anyone, or after they scam others. I don't often get scammed myself.

Perhaps the wording next to "negative" should be changed from "I was scammed" to "this person isn't trustworthy".

Sounds like a fair suggestion in my opinion since its a good change in wording.
It's possible for people to be suspicious from the start and it doesn't hurt to be proactive in preventing fraud since it's not always "I was scammed" but I am preventing people from scamming / their intentions are suspicious to me.

If you flag them before they scam, potential victims are alerted by the "trade with caution" note next to their posts.

If you wait until after they've run off with all the coins, it's too late. By then they've made a new account and a new scam thread.

Seems daft to me to only allow us to leave negative feedback after the event, and only if we were personally scammed.

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