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June 05, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
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if windixie or publix or whatever prints a coupon that says buy 1 get 1 free but forgets to say "1 per household" or some kind of stipulation would you consider it illegal if someone notices it and goes to the store with 5-10 of those coupons? Or even bundles those coupons with others....just to give you an example.

I said "great, give me your address and I will ship the item back to you if I receive it"

Ok let me see what I can do first on my end to cancel it first, Never had to deal with a cancellation...really wish this would have been addressed from the beginning though. If they tell me its possible for me to cancel it then there should be no issue. Give me about an hour to get home and call them. But as I said. Everyone wins, they did get paid at a bulk rate, I make a few dollars, you get a discount and they get free marketing...But give me an hour

lets see what happens next!
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June 05, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
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Yeah it takes a few things; An escrow provider to make the scammer start the process, and a smart buyer that knows what a red flag looks like. Grin

That I will agree with.  Escrow is good because without it the carder could have gotten funds anyways but it does require a smart buyer.
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June 05, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
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DAT, if theres more info you need from me let me know. Nature's Sleep has offered to sell me the same mattress for $599, which is very nice of them.

lolwut,
I trust you and this does smell like a scam but it becomes my rep and the escrow agent needs to be impartial.   If I return the escrow, the item ships anyways, and the order was valid well that is a pretty good "reverse scam" and my rep as an escrow agent suffers.

Your funds are safe and while this may be unpopular I hope you understand I am going to wait 72 hours, or until I get verified proof that the order is canceled, or the seller agrees to a release (whichever comes first) before releasing the funds.

Congrats on catching a potentially very expensive scam (if it is a scam my guess is the company would be looking for $2700 in damages).

longtimenosee,
if you have any information to make in your defense feel free to post it here or by PM.  Barring shipment confirmation I will be returning the funds to lolwut in 72 hours.   If the item ships then I can't release the funds but they won't be going to the seller until we get some solid evidence the deal is on the up and up.

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can we get a scammer tag to warn other potential buyers (and escrow agents who get annoyed when caught up in dumb shit like this Smiley )
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June 05, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
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DAT, if theres more info you need from me let me know. Nature's Sleep has offered to sell me the same mattress for $599, which is very nice of them.

lolwut,
I trust you and this does smell like a scam but it becomes my rep and the escrow agent needs to be impartial.   If I return the escrow, the item ships anyways, and the order was valid well that is a pretty good "reverse scam" and my rep as an escrow agent suffers.

Your funds are safe and while this may be unpopular I hope you understand I am going to wait 72 hours, or until I get verified proof that the order is canceled, or the seller agrees to a release (whichever comes first) before releasing the funds.

Congrats on catching a potentially very expensive scam (if it is a scam my guess is the company would be looking for $2700 in damages).

longtimenosee,
if you have any information to make in your defense feel free to post it here or by PM.  Barring shipment confirmation I will be returning the funds to lolwut in 72 hours.   If the item ships then I can't release the funds but they won't be going to the seller until we get some solid evidence the deal is on the up and up.

mods,
can we get a scammer tag to warn other potential buyers (and escrow agents who get annoyed when caught up in dumb shit like this Smiley )

I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice? I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)
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June 05, 2012, 06:10:05 PM
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I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice?

Sure.  have them send a copy directly to info@tangiblecryptography.com and I will release the escrow.
If they can't/won't I forward me a copy and I will release escrow once I confirm it with them.

You can confirm via blockchain I haven't moved the escrow:
https://blockchain.info/address/1BAs2AZuGf7BW2upeAH3MYXPTfU9GhtaZy

I know this may be annoying but I wouldn't be very good escrow agent if I simply returned funds based on the statements of a single party.  It doesn't mean I don't trust you but I need to be impartial.  I hope you understand.

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I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)

To avoid an automatic release back to you in 72 hours I would want to see a Fedex tracking # showing shipment (not just pending) along with confirmation from the company on shipment.  If that isn't provided then funds will be released back automatically in 72 hours. Even if it does ship, funds will not go to the seller they will just stay in escrow until resolved.
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June 05, 2012, 06:25:43 PM
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I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice?

Sure.  have them send a copy directly to info@tangiblecryptography.com and I will release the escrow.
If they can't/won't I forward me a copy and I will release escrow once I confirm it with them.

You can confirm via blockchain I haven't moved the escrow:
https://blockchain.info/address/1BAs2AZuGf7BW2upeAH3MYXPTfU9GhtaZy

I know this may be annoying but I wouldn't be very good escrow agent if I simply returned funds based on the statements of a single party.  It doesn't mean I don't trust you but I need to be impartial.  I hope you understand.

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I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)

To avoid an automatic release in 72 hours I would want to see a Fedex tracking # showing shipment along with confirmation from the company.  If that isn't provided then funds will be released automatically in 72 hours. Even if it does ship, funds will not go to the seller they will just stay in escrow until resolved.

OK,no problem. I'm going to call back and have her send you the email. I'm also going to order one directly from them for $599 Smiley
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June 05, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
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OK,no problem. I'm going to call back and have her send you the email. I'm also going to order one directly from them for $599 Smiley

Also mention to her that if they accepted Bitcoins they would never have to worry about credit card fraud on those orders. Smiley
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June 05, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
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Bravo to you lolwut. You saved a lot of us a ton of bitcoins.

And kudos to you for getting one for $600! I'm kinda jealous lol.
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June 05, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
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I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice?

Sure.  have them send a copy directly to info@tangiblecryptography.com and I will release the escrow.
If they can't/won't I forward me a copy and I will release escrow once I confirm it with them.

You can confirm via blockchain I haven't moved the escrow:
https://blockchain.info/address/1BAs2AZuGf7BW2upeAH3MYXPTfU9GhtaZy

I know this may be annoying but I wouldn't be very good escrow agent if I simply returned funds based on the statements of a single party.  It doesn't mean I don't trust you but I need to be impartial.  I hope you understand.

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I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)

To avoid an automatic release back to you in 72 hours I would want to see a Fedex tracking # showing shipment (not just pending) along with confirmation from the company on shipment.  If that isn't provided then funds will be released back automatically in 72 hours. Even if it does ship, funds will not go to the seller they will just stay in escrow until resolved.

I just had their customer service dept cc you on the email. If that is satisfactory, please keep 2btc for yourself and send the rest back to the wallet in my signature. thanks.
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June 05, 2012, 08:40:16 PM
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OK,no problem. I'm going to call back and have her send you the email. I'm also going to order one directly from them for $599 Smiley
great deal and real nice of them to offer it to you.
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June 05, 2012, 08:56:34 PM
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I just had their customer service dept cc you on the email. If that is satisfactory, please keep 2btc for yourself and send the rest back to the wallet in my signature. thanks.

I received an email directly from "Nature Sleep" confirming the order has been canceled due to credit card fraud.
I am refunding the full amount minus my fee (0.5%).  2 btc is too generous.
Do you want it returned to the same address it was sent from (13yEbZHgQSMFKsCRbgxK2bbf3wEMRjWeLs)?

If any mod would like a copy of the email for scammer tag purposes PM me.
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June 05, 2012, 09:04:13 PM
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I just had their customer service dept cc you on the email. If that is satisfactory, please keep 2btc for yourself and send the rest back to the wallet in my signature. thanks.

I received an email directly from "Nature Sleep" confirming the order has been canceled due to credit card fraud.
I am refunding the full amount minus my fee (0.5%).  2 btc is too generous.
Do you want it returned to the same address it was sent from (13yEbZHgQSMFKsCRbgxK2bbf3wEMRjWeLs)?

If any mod would like a copy of the email for scammer tag purposes PM me.


sounds good to me, thank you sir.
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June 05, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
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Done:
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/7981378/e297b41910a113746959f3f489b68feeaff614b04a7f375a6f3a0343786e62dc

Solid anti-scammer warfare lolwut.
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June 05, 2012, 09:16:39 PM
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Amazing work!

I recommend asking me for a signature from my GPG key before doing a trade. I will NEVER deny such a request.
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June 05, 2012, 09:27:19 PM
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Great job
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June 05, 2012, 11:26:25 PM
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I decided not to buy a new mattress after this whole ordeal. The company is still offering me the mattress for $599.

If anyone was interested, I could purchase from Nature's Sleep and resell to one of you fine gents. You'd have to cover shipping costs though, since I don't think asking them to ship to another address is wise in this situation.

Just a thought, but I'd do it just because I'm nice, as long as my expenses are covered.
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June 05, 2012, 11:28:32 PM
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Thanks, I got the refund. You the man!
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June 06, 2012, 02:27:04 AM
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100% legal exploit....lol

Exploits are legal?  Roll Eyes

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June 06, 2012, 03:01:00 AM
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anyone thats been following this thread, please give this a read and tell me what you think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85702.0
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June 06, 2012, 03:47:43 AM
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mods,
can we get a scammer tag to warn other potential buyers (and escrow agents who get annoyed when caught up in dumb shit like this Smiley )
As the escrow agent and a trusted member of Bitcointalk, you would the most qualified to head the scammer investigation. Compile the evidence in a convincing manner (for both sides, as you're able) and submit it to theymos. It'll take about 10 minutes for you to do, but you'll get a much better appreciation for the process the mods have to go through every time we want to mark someone as a scammer.

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