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November 13, 2014, 06:00:58 PM |
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You know the best part of the article? The town is called Normal ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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November 13, 2014, 06:12:29 PM |
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This stuff happens because the individuals who implement and enforce these policies never face repercussions. The brass should be fired and forfeit their pensions. They were breaking the law.
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November 13, 2014, 06:30:16 PM |
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They are a bit disappointed since they are forced to do a job that essentially consists of serially confiscating peoples freedom. Soon police sergeants will start to complain to detained people how hard they life is and give them freedom.
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November 13, 2014, 11:08:55 PM |
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You know the best part of the article? The town is called Normal ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I have been to Normal. It is the town ISU is located in. Fun place. You can walk down the streets most weekends in the summer and drift from party to party. Not much but corn for 100 miles in every direction except for that though. The joke always used to be that its not (normal).
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November 13, 2014, 11:17:56 PM |
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These cops must be lazy. I see a DUI driver at least once a month, and I'm not driving for a living.
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November 13, 2014, 11:54:53 PM |
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These cops must be lazy. I see a DUI driver at least once a month, and I'm not driving for a living.
You don't understand. If you went there it might make sense. It is a college town. Most of the people that live there are within walking distance of their living spaces. 90% of the people in vehicles are passing through or coming or going from an hours long trip. There just isn't a whole lot of drunken driving in the area, everyone is drunken walking. This aside I don't think a quota system is moral, and it is not legal either under Illinois state law.
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November 15, 2014, 09:07:51 AM |
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The people who should be taking responsibility for stopping quotas are the defense attorneys. Every time they put a cop on the stand, ask him if he had made his quota yet. Because the policy exists in writing and there is a disciplinary record associated with it he can't dare deny he has a quota. It will make him look like a real piece of crap in front of the jury.
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November 15, 2014, 03:08:40 PM |
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The people who should be taking responsibility for stopping quotas are the defense attorneys. Every time they put a cop on the stand, ask him if he had made his quota yet. Because the policy exists in writing and there is a disciplinary record associated with it he can't dare deny he has a quota. It will make him look like a real piece of crap in front of the jury.
I don't think the policy does exist in writing. If it did, we would be able to hold the people who implement it responsible. Techshares is right, the policy is immoral as it incentivizes the police to write tickets or make arrests they might not otherwise. The public would not tolerate a system where an arrest stems not from breaking the law, but because a cop is trying to get a bonus or meet some arbitrarily set quota that has to do with revenue generation, not upholding the law.
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November 15, 2014, 04:21:41 PM |
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These cops must be lazy. I see a DUI driver at least once a month, and I'm not driving for a living.
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November 15, 2014, 06:52:49 PM |
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The people who should be taking responsibility for stopping quotas are the defense attorneys. Every time they put a cop on the stand, ask him if he had made his quota yet. Because the policy exists in writing and there is a disciplinary record associated with it he can't dare deny he has a quota. It will make him look like a real piece of crap in front of the jury.
I don't think the policy does exist in writing. If it did, we would be able to hold the people who implement it responsible. Techshares is right, the policy is immoral as it incentivizes the police to write tickets or make arrests they might not otherwise. The public would not tolerate a system where an arrest stems not from breaking the law, but because a cop is trying to get a bonus or meet some arbitrarily set quota that has to do with revenue generation, not upholding the law. I seem to remember reading a story on a civil rights forum where a cop was on the stand for a traffic ticket written just outside the courthouse. The intersection where it was written was visible from the courtroom window. The cop perjured about the traffic device (forget if it was the light, a street sign, or road/curb paint), judge looked outside and saw he did so... no perjury charge or any punishment whatsoever. Join the government and you will effectively get away with anything. The rare prosecution is the exception to the rule.
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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November 16, 2014, 03:39:18 AM |
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The people who should be taking responsibility for stopping quotas are the defense attorneys. Every time they put a cop on the stand, ask him if he had made his quota yet. Because the policy exists in writing and there is a disciplinary record associated with it he can't dare deny he has a quota. It will make him look like a real piece of crap in front of the jury.
I don't think the policy does exist in writing. If it did, we would be able to hold the people who implement it responsible. Techshares is right, the policy is immoral as it incentivizes the police to write tickets or make arrests they might not otherwise. The public would not tolerate a system where an arrest stems not from breaking the law, but because a cop is trying to get a bonus or meet some arbitrarily set quota that has to do with revenue generation, not upholding the law. There are generally laws against officers 'receiving promotions and incentives/bonuses' on the number of tickets/arrests they make, however their overall performance is likely tied to the number of tickets they write and arrests they make. Defense attorneys are likely not going to be able to do very much to stop this as the fact that the cop needed to write tickets is not a valid defense if the defendant was actually breaking the law (although it would somewhat damage the cop's credibility)
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November 17, 2014, 05:07:22 AM |
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everyone should find Jesus. i found him behind a cell. if u haven't found him yet, maybe u should go to jail too. it helps. after all if u had him, u wouldn't have got arrested?
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November 17, 2014, 08:14:20 AM |
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everyone should find Jesus. i found him behind a cell. if u haven't found him yet, maybe u should go to jail too. it helps. after all if u had him, u wouldn't have got arrested?
Not everyone who goes to jail is a criminal.
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November 17, 2014, 08:42:26 AM |
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Some people that go to jail are put there because the evidence pointed against them even though they were innocent. They were set up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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November 17, 2014, 04:43:46 PM |
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everyone should find Jesus. i found him behind a cell. if u haven't found him yet, maybe u should go to jail too. it helps. after all if u had him, u wouldn't have got arrested?
Not everyone who goes to jail is a criminal. That's the damn unfortunate truth.
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November 18, 2014, 07:02:49 AM |
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everyone should find Jesus. i found him behind a cell. if u haven't found him yet, maybe u should go to jail too. it helps. after all if u had him, u wouldn't have got arrested?
It didn't help John the Baptist.
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November 18, 2014, 03:05:12 PM |
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I think a police officer is a man, too, who have feelings, family, and they also have a responsibility to their families, they have to earn a living to meet the needs of their life, on the sidelines of their activities to maintain security and order in which they are assigned , they also have to pay attention and take care of problems that are not related to their duties and authority issues, market or other general areas, they are just like us, when without seraga,. they must also queued in the queue paid disupermarket or mall, so an explanation from me, hopefully can help the police officer who was on duty at this time ... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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I think a police officer is a man, too, who have feelings, family, and they also have a responsibility to their families, they have to earn a living to meet the needs of their life, on the sidelines of their activities to maintain security and order in which they are assigned , they also have to pay attention and take care of problems that are not related to their duties and authority issues, market or other general areas, they are just like us, when without seraga,. they must also queued in the queue paid disupermarket or mall, so an explanation from me, hopefully can help the police officer who was on duty at this time ... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The people who's lives these officers destroy with a quota system have feelings, and families of their own too. I don't have sympathy for people who destroy the lives of others for a living. It is no different than piracy, except it is on land.
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