Total Coins - Nov 15th 2014

[Spoetnik]

I counted how many ANN topics were in the ANN section and i see.. 5,477

don't mind my evil FUD.. carry on making & supporting your shitcoins.

..

[djm34]

lol, I think I recognized Icebergcoin

[Spoetnik]

I was starting to think not even one guy cared or thought that was interesting info 

I'm thinking it's probably a safe estimate we have around 5,000 coins now !

which is waaaaaaay more than any of us thought i think.

you think i am exaggerating ? anyone want to do a more accurate check ? maybe list them all by name ? HAhahha

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I was starting to think not even one guy cared or thought that was interesting info 

I'm thinking it's probably a safe estimate we have around 5,000 coins now !

which is waaaaaaay more than any of us thought i think.

you think i am exaggerating ? anyone want to do a more accurate check ? maybe list them all by name ? HAhahha

I quit altcoins a while ago. I think it was when everybody and his mother started making their own coin. C-CEX was IPO'ing three a day at one point

I'm secretly hoping sidechains, and serious projects like Zerocash and Ethereum, finally put some kind of end to the insanity

[Neo501]

much coins ... such wow...

[gjhiggins]

you think i am exaggerating ?

If you've simply multiplied the number of topic pages by 40 then you are risking some degree of overcounting ...

anyone want to do a more accurate check ?

Such as the de facto one embodied in DOACC? https://github.com/DOACC/individuals <- RDF graph, serialized as ntriples.

Web page -> https://minkiz.co/coin/

Linked Open Data -> https://minkiz.co/lod

Perhaps you'd prefer something you could try at home?

Code:

def countann():
    from lxml import etree
    from time import sleep
    import requests
    import json
    xpath_tgt = '//div[@class="tborder"]/table[@class="bordercolor"]/tr'
    baseurl = "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.{}"
    op = []
    for pp in range(0, 5480, 40):
        for tr in etree.HTML(requests.get(baseurl.format(pp)).content).xpath():
            it = ''.join(
                [i.expandtabs(1).replace('\n', '').strip()
                    for i in tr.itertext()])
            if it.startswith('[ANN]'):
                ann = it.split('«')[0].replace('  ', ''
                    ).replace('[ANN]', '[ANN] '
                    ).replace('[ANN]  ', '[ANN] ')
                op.append(ann)
        sleep(5)
    with open('/tmp/anns.json', 'w') as fp:
        fp.write(json.dumps(op, indent=2, separators=(',', ': ')))

random sample drawn from a sorted version of the /tmp/anns.json list:

"[ANN] Virtual Coin | VC | VCoin | Release Mar 16,2014 | Scrypt (Official Thread)",
"[ANN] Virtual Coin | VC | VCoin | Release Mar 16,2014 | Scrypt (Official Thread)",
"[ANN] Virtual Coin | VC | VCoin | Release Mar 16,2014 | Scrypt (Official Thread)",
"[ANN] Virtual Coin | VC | VCoin | Release Mar 16,2014 | Scrypt (Official Thread)",
"[ANN] Virtual Coin| VC | VCoin| Release Mar 15,2014 | Scrypt (Official Thread)",
"[ANN] Virtual Coin|VC|X11| Award about to 2X in less than 1hr,
"[ANN] VirtualCoin [VC] [Scrypt] [Windows Client] [Pool] MARCH 20th, 2014",

By the time you've factored in the overcounting and all the [ANN]s for exchanges, pools, associated websites, pump schemes, dump schemes and anything else that the mods feel isn't too off-topic, you're down to around 1700-1800 or so.

maybe list them all by name ?

like this? -> https://minkiz.co/coin/name/

HAhahha

hat hat, hat.


Cheers

Graham

[Spoetnik]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh

what ? LOL

[gielbier]

Poor spoetnik didn't expect that.

[silvapaso85]

It's really sick. Most of them are totally shity coins 

[Anise]

How many of these are still active or not dead? 

[Sumo]

That is crazy. Really baffles me why BTC has had such a lack of innovating. Even though these alts are mostly crap , at least they have shaped the direction crypto might take in the future. Now if the BTC foundation were smart they might start implementing some of these innovations into the btc protocol.

[gjhiggins]

How many of these are still active or not dead? 

I've recently added an "expiration" relation to the DOACC RDF graph but I've not had chance to update the ontology as yet and I'll probably change it to something less suggestive of a date --- because IRL, dates are hard to come by and the values turned out to be qualitative rather than calendarial. With that caveat in mind, we can get an answer to your question by phrasing it as a SPARQL query of the graph ...

Code:

PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX doacc: <http://purl.org/net/bel-epa/doacc#>

SELECT (COUNT(?s) AS ?livecoins) {
  ?s rdf:type doacc:Cryptocurrency .
  ?s doacc:expiration ?e .
  FILTER( str(?e) IN ('extant', 'listed' )) 
}

yields

Code:

-------------
| livecoins |
=============
| 1328      |
-------------

where "listed" means listed on an exchange and "extant" basically means "not known to be dead, presumably still active"

The above query can be pasted verbatim into the web form fronting Minkiz' SPARQL endpoint: https://minkiz.co/sparql

To toll the dead:

Code:

PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX doacc: <http://purl.org/net/bel-epa/doacc#>

SELECT (COUNT(?s) AS ?deadcoins) {
  ?s rdf:type doacc:Cryptocurrency .
  ?s doacc:expiration ?e .
  FILTER( str(?e) NOT IN ('extant', 'listed' )) 
}

yielding:

Code:

-------------
| deadcoins |
=============
| 507       |
-------------

Cheers

Graham

[Spoetnik]

active coins was not the point but nice try.. Mr Ontology

you full of shit and i may go list them all just to prove a point

[gjhiggins]

active coins was not the point but nice try.. Mr Ontology

you full of shit and i may go list them all just to prove a point

Ah, you've demonstrated that my post was incomplete. I omitted a step ...

livecoins = 1328
deadcoins = 507

1328 + 507 = 1835 total coins


This can be confirmed by the query:

Code:

PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX doacc: <http://purl.org/net/bel-epa/doacc#>

SELECT (COUNT(?s) AS ?totalcoins) {
  ?s rdf:type doacc:Cryptocurrency .
}

yielding:

Code:

--------------
| totalcoins |
==============
| 1835       |
--------------

i may go list them all just to prove a point

If you do, I'd be interested to compare methodological notes.

Cheers

Graham

[Spoetnik]

I don't know if you trying to screw with me or what but if not thanks for your efforts.
I think many of the other guys here would agree with me your explanations are confusing though.

To put it in a different way..

What i guessed counted was 5,477 topics with a calculator.

137 pages of topics times 40 topics per page minus 3 for the first few topics being stickies.
Which i was making a rough guess then that we may have close to 5,000 ANN topics (of all kinds) removing 477 for possible duplicates etc.
A really loose and rough estimate of sorts  

So you see how i explained that in a simple way ?
The point was not which ones are active or not.. few ever are.. they are pumped and dumped.
And yes i know not all ANN topics are for a coin..

I will remind you that many other guys had counted and actually listed each and every single coin made already
and the count they came up with is what your saying we have now roughly.. and the guys made their list ONE YEAR AGO

So you can't be right.. it's not possible.

hey i am all for people trying to argue with me but you really don't stand a chance in hell. LOL
my game is always rigged
i don't open my mouth with out a trump card to slap down  

[gjhiggins]

I don't know if you trying to screw with me

Absolutely not, I try and play a straight bat, keep the focus on verifiable facts & direct inferences.

I was simply responding to your post:

I'm thinking it's probably a safe estimate we have around 5,000 coins now !

with some facts that I was able to marshal from my own work along with concise chapter and verse so that others can check the figures for themselves if they so wish.

I think many of the other guys here would agree with me your explanations are confusing though.

That's a fair comment, I'll try to do better in future.

And I take your hint about arguing; I can assure you that it's an unnecessary caution.

Cheers

Graham

[kelsey]

That is crazy. Really baffles me why BTC has had such a lack of innovating. Even though these alts are mostly crap , at least they have shaped the direction crypto might take in the future. Now if the BTC foundation were smart they might start implementing some of these innovations into the btc protocol.

What baffles me is that their are people that actually buy into this innovative spill most crapcoins pull to have you enter their pyramid scheme 

[Videlicet]

And this is exactly why I birthed Coinshield.  
I don't think there is necessity for more coins than countries on this planet, but that is just me  

Maybe we can work on merging promising projects? This will build stronger coins, the philosophy Quality over Quantity
Viz.

[Spoetnik]

And this is exactly why I birthed Coinshield.  
I don't think there is necessity for more coins than countries on this planet, but that is just me  

Maybe we can work on merging promising projects? This will build stronger coins, the philosophy Quality over Quantity
Viz.

You realize there was tons of guys arguing with me almost all this last year that we needed more as many as possible right ?
Coindesk even ran a story saying "We need more coins"

Kind of funny how all those guys sort wandered off with out a whimper LOL

Why We Need All The Altcoins We Can Get
 Danny Bradbury| Published on August 9, 2014 at 10:45 GMT

my name is xpmule on the Disqus comments guys

[Videlicet]

Agreed my friend  
Sometimes we must let our children touch the frying pan so they can learn it is hot. Words in these types of situations are superfluous  

Thing a lot of people fail to realize, is that more [clone] coins further promotes the negative public opinion of Crypto as a "Ponzi Scheme". It keeps new investors from dipping their toes in by some of the actions many people are taking. We have become accustomed to a large community spawned from Bitcoin, and expect that to remain the same no matter how much we suck the life from it; but at some point, we have to give back.

How can we expect any sort of sustainability if everyone just keeps taking  
Then what makes this industry any different than that we are boycotting: The Banks.

We must work hard to create a better way, and this work must be done together [as one] to ever have a chance at changing the way things are.
Viz.