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November 19, 2014, 04:14:47 AM
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Senate Republicans block landmark NSA surveillance reform bill

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/18/usa-freedom-act-republicans-block-bill

<< Senators, mostly Republicans warning of leaving the country exposed to terrorist threat, voted to beat back the USA Freedom Act. >>

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November 19, 2014, 04:39:11 AM
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Well that's what happens when Republicans gain the seats
Off with the NSA bill to curb spying

Both the administration and the intelligence agencies fear that the defeat of the USA Freedom Act will result in the House declining to reauthorize broader domestic surveillance powers for the NSA and the FBI next year. The NSA and its allies accordingly opted to back the bill, despite having publicly expressed their reservations.

Oh and Rand Paul ^_^

Last week, Senator Rand Paul, the Kentucky civil libertarian and potential Republican presidential contender, said the USA Freedom Act was too weak for him to support. He is instead urging the expiration of certain surveillance authorities under the Patriot Act next year, as he did unsuccessfully in 2011. He voted against cloture on Tuesday night.

https://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/534780424439201792

http://www.wired.com/2011/05/top-democrat-channels-cheney-blasts-patriot-act-foes-as-osama-pals/
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November 19, 2014, 04:46:53 AM
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/the-nra-and-aclu-came-together-to-endorse-nsa-reform-in-an-op-ed-then-the-piece-disappeared-20141118

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On Monday morning, the American Civil Liberties Union and National Rifle Association published a joint op-ed in the Washington Times urging the Senate to pass legislation that would limit the government's domestic spying powers. It was a meaningful push from two powerful groups that—as the groups themselves noted—rarely agree on anything. And the support came just a day before the Senate is scheduled to take a key (and hotly contested) vote Tuesday on the measure, whose supporters titled it the "USA Freedom Act."

Hours after the op-ed went up on the Times site, however, it disappeared. The link to where the op-ed once appeared now tells readers, "This story is no longer available on the site."

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November 19, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
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Who cares... This law won't work anyway for guys who have ignored a constitution.

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November 19, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
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Watered-Down NSA Reform Bill Fails in Senate Procedural Vote
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The USA Freedom Act, originally the stronger of the two Senate NSA reform bills but watered-down to the point of irrelevance, has failed a procedural vote today, and will no longer be considered until January at the earliest.

The motion to bring the bill to a vote in the Senate needed 60 votes to pass, but got only 58, with 42 opponents. The opposition came from both sides, with surveillance critics saying the bill was too weak to bother with, and surveillance advocates who didn’t want any reform bill, even a token one.

This was reflected in both Kentucky Senators, Rand Paul (R – KY) and Mitch McConnell (R – KY) voting against bringing the bill to the floor for exactly opposite reasons.

The defeat means the bill is effectively dead until the new Senate takes office, and with a much more hawkish bend, it will likely be hard for any reforms to get past them. At the same time, they likely won’t be as supportive of the pretense of reform as the backers of this bill were.

This may be good news in the long run, as it will at least keep the question of mass NSA surveillance of American citizens in the public eye, and without any ability for the administration to claim a bill has nominally “resolved” the matter.

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/11/18/watered-down-nsa-reform-bill-fails-in-senate-procedural-vote/

Ron Paul would've voted the same way on the bill because it precisely doesn't sunset certain aspects of the Patriot Act. So, for some to sit here and snarkily insinuate that Rand is some laughable sellout establishment neocon for taking his objections to this bill out and voting against it like the true neocons for the exact opposite reasons shows a little too much of being a simpleton. Holier than tho libertarian sniping is more of the same ''the good is the enemy of the perfect'' montra that trends in the forest of outlier territory of irrelevance that has plagued the lib community from day one.
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November 20, 2014, 01:37:01 PM
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Watered-Down NSA Reform Bill Fails in Senate Procedural Vote
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The USA Freedom Act, originally the stronger of the two Senate NSA reform bills but watered-down to the point of irrelevance, has failed a procedural vote today, and will no longer be considered until January at the earliest.

The motion to bring the bill to a vote in the Senate needed 60 votes to pass, but got only 58, with 42 opponents. The opposition came from both sides, with surveillance critics saying the bill was too weak to bother with, and surveillance advocates who didn’t want any reform bill, even a token one.

This was reflected in both Kentucky Senators, Rand Paul (R – KY) and Mitch McConnell (R – KY) voting against bringing the bill to the floor for exactly opposite reasons.

The defeat means the bill is effectively dead until the new Senate takes office, and with a much more hawkish bend, it will likely be hard for any reforms to get past them. At the same time, they likely won’t be as supportive of the pretense of reform as the backers of this bill were.

This may be good news in the long run, as it will at least keep the question of mass NSA surveillance of American citizens in the public eye, and without any ability for the administration to claim a bill has nominally “resolved” the matter.

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/11/18/watered-down-nsa-reform-bill-fails-in-senate-procedural-vote/

Ron Paul would've voted the same way on the bill because it precisely doesn't sunset certain aspects of the Patriot Act. So, for some to sit here and snarkily insinuate that Rand is some laughable sellout establishment neocon for taking his objections to this bill out and voting against it like the true neocons for the exact opposite reasons shows a little too much of being a simpleton. Holier than tho libertarian sniping is more of the same ''the good is the enemy of the perfect'' montra that trends in the forest of outlier territory of irrelevance that has plagued the lib community from day one.

Precisely.  The whole point of a "watered down surveillance bill" is to make LEGAL, many of the abuses which previously had been highly questionable.

There should be no such compromise.
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