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August 13, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
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Please let your pride go and shut up you're hurting the coin and anyone who still has some... if you really want to protect xai stop beeing passive-aggresive. you don't win anything trying to protect joe and answering everything with such ignorance puts you in a bad place  and the coin on dumping list.....


I'm hurting the coin by saying that it still has potential...

And I guess you think these other people are helping the coin by saying it's dead and nobody should buy it?

I'll continue using the regular definitions of words, instead of your backwards definitions.

These people have admitted that they sold their coins for a higher price, and THEN they came here to destroy the price so that the people they sold to will lose money. 

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August 13, 2015, 07:55:10 PM
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I really don't get why Joe would do this while publicising his linkedin profile....
If he was as smart as the scam he has apparently committed, surely he wouldn't use his real identity?

I'll keep a watch on this thread, there are lots of mixed opinions as to the current situation.... it'll be clearer in weeks to come.

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August 13, 2015, 09:38:04 PM
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I really don't get why Joe would do this while publicising his linkedin profile....
If he was as smart as the scam he has apparently committed, surely he wouldn't use his real identity?

I'll keep a watch on this thread, there are lots of mixed opinions as to the current situation.... it'll be clearer in weeks to come.

I don't get it either (Joe being a known person and all) but the facts speak for themselves. This guy has launched multiple previous 'scam' coins that all tanked, then launches XAI, then disappears.

Two possibilities:
1- Joe is a scammer and gone
2- Joe is a scammer disappears for 6 weeks, price drops, he buys up cheap coins, re-appears with a. sob story, price rises, Joe sells for max $$$

Either way this project is a fail. Real AI development is going on under SuperNET only, anything here is bullshit to make Joe money

There isn't a logical reason for his absence without any explanation. A post here takes 2 minutes!!!!!!

If Joe posts anything like "sorry guys, I had a crisis and was too busy to find 2 minutes to post here for 6 weeks" then you know you were warned
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August 17, 2015, 04:42:08 AM
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For those who are interested, i haven taken interest in the possible uses of IBTP and have integrated some of the logic into BCR. Feel free to browse the code. I hope your dev returns so we can work on this together as i have some ideas that he could find interesting.

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August 18, 2015, 10:31:34 AM
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August 18, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
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For those who are interested, i haven taken interest in the possible uses of IBTP and have integrated some of the logic into BCR. Feel free to browse the code. I hope your dev returns so we can work on this together as i have some ideas that he could find interesting.

That's what it's all about!

Anything is possible with open source.

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August 27, 2015, 12:52:59 AM
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Time to go visit Joe. Knock Knock.
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August 27, 2015, 02:17:51 AM
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lol sad but true.

i thought this thing was going somepalce?Huh??

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August 27, 2015, 02:54:45 AM
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These people have admitted that they sold their coins for a higher price, and THEN they came here to destroy the price so that the people they sold to will lose money. 

It's a zero sum game.  Someone always loses.  Someone is always stuck holding the bag.  That's how trading works, no getting around it.  We are bad for selling our coins on the free market to someone who chooses to buy them from us, and then coming here to warn others that we were right?  By that logic, if selling our coins was a bad decision and all of a sudden Joe reappears with a massive update and the price skyrockets, the person who bought my coins at a low price stole from me!  Get your head out of your ass.  Don't expect everyone to be quiet so you can dump your bag on someone else.  Get mad at the person who scammed you, not the messengers.

Doesn't matter anyway, this shit's dead in the water.  Anyone still looking to exit should wait for the inevitable "community takeover" pump and get the hell out of dodge ASAP.

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August 27, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
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I really don't get why Joe would do this while publicising his linkedin profile....
If he was as smart as the scam he has apparently committed, surely he wouldn't use his real identity?

Jesus wept, are people that hopelessly naive that they will hand over their money so readily?

It's known as the symbol grounding problem, ironically it's a show-stopper for AI and (to anyone with actual experience of working in the domain) is the reason why this project was plainly a fantasy from day 0.

Despite all the sound and fury, ungrounded symbols are the only means of referencing the entity identifying itself as Cedric Quotient.

The string Joe Mozelesky is no more real than the string Cedric Quotent.

This is the way it goes ... Who is behind the Cedric Quotient account? A linkedin account. Who is behind the linkedin account? Rinse and repeat.

“Welcome to Limitless Acuity LLC, a boutique technology consulting organization. Learn more about us and our methodology.” http://www.limitlessacuity.com <- the domain fails to resolve.

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The expression "the map is not the territory" first appeared in print in a paper that Alfred Korzybski gave at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1931

(I strongly urge you to read the (fairly short and quite accessible) wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation)


Steven Harnad formulated the issue as it applies to AI as the “symbol grounding problem”. The wikipedia entry is a bit of a mess, for a more articulate and comprehensive review, see Taddeo and Floridi's paper “Solving the Symbol Grounding Problem: a Critical Review of Fifteen Years of Research”. (The date of the paper is 2005, so we better make that “Twenty five Years of Research” because it’s a fundamental problem in AI that remains unsolved).

After you’ve understood the problem, you will also understand the vacuity of claims of AI on the blockchain and why attempts to imbue clones of Bitcoin with autonomy are inevitably doomed to failure because the notion is profoundly misconceived.

One huge giveaway to the vacous nature of the project was the reference to “singularity”. I call it “the bucket of frogs fallacy” because in essence the claim is no different from - chuck enough frogs into a large enough bucket and they will combine somehow to form a giant frog. It’s the same screamingly obvious fallacy as “We have a month to produce a baby, find me nine women.”

Intelligence is neither additive nor multiplicative, far from it. At scale, it’s subtractive; all the earnestly-defended fantasies in this entire thread stand as proof of that.

Different domain, same problem (from gizmodo on Ashley Madison):

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Overall, the picture is grim indeed. Out of 5.5 million female accounts, roughly zero percent had ever shown any kind of activity at all, after the day they were created.

The men’s accounts tell a story of lively engagement with the site, with over 20 million men hopefully looking at their inboxes, and over 10 million of them initiating chats. The women’s accounts show so little activity that they might as well not be there.

Sure, some of these inactive accounts were probably created by real, live women (or men pretending to be women) who were curious to see what the site was about. Some probably wanted to find their cheating husbands. Others were no doubt curious journalists like me. But they were still overwhelmingly inactive. They were not created by women wanting to hook up with married men. They were static profiles full of dead data, whose sole purpose was to make men think that millions of women were active on Ashley Madison.

Ashley Madison employees did a pretty decent job making their millions of women’s accounts look alive. They left the data in these inactive accounts visible to men, showing nicknames, pictures, sexy comments. But when it came to data that was only visible on to company admins, they got sloppy. The women’s personal email addresses and IP addresses showed marked signs of fakery. And as for the women’s user activity, the fundamental sign of life online? Ashley Madison employees didn’t even bother faking that at all.

But there's no helping some people ...

Real AI development is going on under SuperNET only

Come little fishes, swim to me. Nom, nom, nom.

Cheers

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August 27, 2015, 12:19:10 PM
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It's a zero sum game.  Someone always loses.  Someone is always stuck holding the bag.  That's how trading works, no getting around it.

No.  There is so much wrong with that, it's just not true.

You think you're in altcoins to take other people's money and be the winner while someone else is the loser.  But any market that works like that cannot survive, and that's not what I do when I trade.

In every industry, manufacturers buy raw materials.  The people selling the raw materials are selling for more than it cost them, so they're making money.  The manufacturers are buying the materials for less than they could buy anywhere else, so both parties are getting a good deal.

Then the manufacturers take the raw materials and make a product, and they sell it for more than it cost them to make.  People buy it for less than they could buy it anywhere else, so they're both getting a good deal. 

That's what the point is.  Not to profit at someone else's expense, like you are trying to do.   

Even in stocks, it's not true that "someone always loses".  Your ideas about the world are just weird and wrong. 

Companies sell stock to raise funds, so that they can invest and increase profits.  People buy the stocks, and if the company does increase profits then people can sell the stocks for more than they paid.  Then the people who bought the stocks from them can get dividends and continue to make money.

It works the same with cryptocurrencies.  People bought Bitcoin for 10 cents, and they sold it for 1 dollar.  The people who bought for 1 dollar sold for 3 dollars.  The people who bought for 3 dollars sold for 10 dollars, and those people sold for 30, and those people sold for 100, and those people sold for 200. 

People kept making money every step of the way. 

So you're wrong when you say "someone is always stuck holding the bag".  If you sell for less than you paid, you're probably doing it wrong.   

If your coin loses value, then you can buy more if you want.  Or you can help by participating in the community and contributing to the coin's development, taking an active role in the success of your investment.  Or you could just wait for someone else to do it. 

Or, you could buy a coin, sell it for less than you paid, and then insult the people who didn't willingly take a loss.  But there's not much profit in that.



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We are bad for selling our coins on the free market to someone who chooses to buy them from us, and then coming here to warn others that we were right?

No, but you were criticizing me for buying the coin and wanting the price to go up.  So I just pointed out that you did worse already.  If I do sell some XAI - which I haven't - I won't go and try to ruin the price for the people who just gave me their money.


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By that logic, if selling our coins was a bad decision and all of a sudden Joe reappears with a massive update and the price skyrockets, the person who bought my coins at a low price stole from me!

Exactly.  By your logic, if Joe reappears and the price skyrockets, then YOU scammed HIM.  Pretty stupid, isn't it?  So stop thinking that way.

The coin exists, and I'm doing something with it.  You're not involved with the coin anymore, but you want it to fail.  What do you call that? 

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September 01, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
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Joe looks like a sex offender.
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September 02, 2015, 07:14:33 PM
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Both the main website and official XAI / XQN forums are now not loading.  Angry



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September 02, 2015, 07:31:47 PM
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Both the main website and official XAI / XQN forums are now not loading.  Angry


Yea who cares about being scammed, at least leave the forum up.  Roll Eyes

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September 10, 2015, 11:57:55 PM
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The Dev that got away

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September 15, 2015, 10:13:48 PM
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Guys. The LinkedIn is fake. The dude is a paid actor. Watch the vids, you'll see him reading a manuscript and not really knowing what he's talking about...  Like repeatedly saying "and what not"
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September 15, 2015, 10:28:11 PM
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Guys. The LinkedIn is fake. The dude is a paid actor. Watch the vids, you'll see him reading a manuscript and not really knowing what he's talking about...  Like repeatedly saying "and what not"


If it's fake, it was set up 2 years ahead of time in 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeuYSqSu3zE

Maybe Sapience was developed by someone else and they used Joe as a front, or maybe Joe was never his real name.  But it's possible that Joe himself is the deadbeat dev who came up with big promises, pumped, dumped, and then disappeared. 

Either way, the community is moving forward with Quotient and we can move forward with Sapience too.

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September 26, 2015, 10:51:26 AM
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It would seem that runpaint's trolling is more wide spread than i originally thought.

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October 04, 2015, 11:47:33 PM
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Websites are offline. You are no where to be seen for over 3 months and chose to disrespect us. I was really hoping you were an honest, hardworking individual. But after you started babbling about dark-phones i started selling little by little... it was clear you were dreamer and not realist.
That was really stupid way to hype your coin by the way... nevertheless i thought you were clumsy and seemed goodhearted so still gave you benefit of the doubt... but now i believe you planned everything.
 
Lets see how much that couple of thousand dollars you scammed off of people will contribute you in your life. Hope it was worth it for you sir, have a nice day and i hope you and your loved ones will endure the same treatment in your lives as you have treated us here on btc.
I also was in crowdfund of Ethereum and thank god i did .... Ever looked at that little shit Vitalik Buterin? Look at his Facebook, follow his twitter and see how a real man handles his business.

And now what Joe?... quotient... sapience... whats next?  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes how about "Stringcoin" STRC or something.... sounds all scifi and techy eyyy?
 


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October 05, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
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Yes, he planned the whole thing. I don't believe he is a dreamer, just an outright scammer and pathalogical liar. Joe Mozelesky had several scams running at the same time. His use of technological language to deceive and obsfucate reminds me of this fake bomb detector scam: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29459896

We need to be vigilant in crypto, it easy to fall prey to predatory scammers like Joe Mozelesky.
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