Why you should be against free education.

[steelhouse]

Consider the story 5 little pigs, it is about the same as the 3 little pigs but the 4th pig is a government worker pig that puts a massive rent (property tax) on the land forcing the two pigs living it up in town to get back to work on their straw and wood houses to pay the tax. The 4th pig also has the best house in town. The 3rd pig can't afford bricks so he starts to use cheaper unreinforced cement. The 5th pig is homeless he gave up paying the property tax he could not afford it or the rent.

Now the story goes to Hitler.  Hitler actually had no interest in government and actually had jews as friends. Hitler was actually a very good painter however he applied to Art school and was denied twice.  He ended spending 5 years either homeless or living in shelters.  He was then sent to war and was actually a war hero in World War I.   He came back an angry man.

Was the violence the fact that he was denied entrance to art school?  The only violence that could occur if the school did not pay property tax or got government funding of any sort or got privy to government jobs.  The only violence that was put on Hitler was that he was forced to live on the streets and pay rent and property tax to the state.  A legitimate school would accept anyone that could pay them to enter and meet the prerequisites of the class.  

Imagine if Hitler had a free piece of land in which to live.  He did sell some paintings and he also was interested in architecture.  He most likely would have found something he could have sold.  From there he could have learned from other artists for free. However, it was the property and inflation taxes to support the schools which he was denied access that hurt him.

In summary end all government funding of schools past 18 years, otherwise imho you support and cause the rise of tyrants.

[jaysabi]

I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can: I have no idea what I just read or if there was a cohesive point to it.

[steelhouse]

Homelessness is 100% caused by liberals.  Otherwise everyone would have a free lot and pay no property tax or the permits on it.  The homeless are actually a means to scare the average citizen to go to school, to pay taxes, and for you to remain poor.  While Obama and company are flying around playing golf and going to Hawaii, they try to scare every last dime out of you look at global warming.  They are so elite they don't even want to finish their short terms and expect you to pay off their bad personal debts.

You are expected to do the hard work, the labor.  They want to give speeches, goto meetings, sleep with interns, push paper, and travel.  If they come from an Ivy league college vote them out.

They talk about inequality, yet their schools practice none of that with their endowments funds.  It was the liberal mayors that kicked the 99% out of the parks.   The electric bills are 40% higher in the blue cities as oppose to the right-to-work states.  You even have Biden bragging he does not own any stocks, because he can tax the hell out of those that do.

The tea party is for the people, the democratic party for economic terror.

[reyhiesa]

I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can: I have no idea what I just read or if there was a cohesive point to it.

I'm also not sure, but I think he is saying that free education led to Hitler and World War 2. I think he missed a couple of things in history class.

Homelessness is 100% caused by liberals.  Otherwise everyone would have a free lot and pay no property tax or the permits on it.

Is there land for everyone? Most of it already is or would go into private hands without governments, so you would still have rent/tax whatever you want to call it.

[steelhouse]

I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can: I have no idea what I just read or if there was a cohesive point to it.

I'm also not sure, but I think he is saying that free education led to Hitler and World War 2. I think he missed a couple of things in history class.

Homelessness is 100% caused by liberals.  Otherwise everyone would have a free lot and pay no property tax or the permits on it.

Is there land for everyone? Most of it already is or would go into private hands without governments, so you would still have rent/tax whatever you want to call it.

The only reason there were land laws or private property or slavery was because of laws written by the majority.  One stoke of the pen and slavery could have been ended.  Hitler was a product of debt, war, and private land.  If he died on the streets no one would have cared.  He chose another option.

[beetcoin]

I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can: I have no idea what I just read or if there was a cohesive point to it.

pigs, hitler, and art school.

[steelhouse]

I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can: I have no idea what I just read or if there was a cohesive point to it.

pigs, hitler, and art school.

although it is a stretch is makes a lot of sense.  Violence was put agaist Hitler first, he only wanted to paint pictures.  He blew his inheritance on taxes and inflation caused by liberals.  The neocons sent him to WWI.  He came back and they wanted him to live on the streets or submit to a government to feed the state.  He said no.  He picked the wrong shapegoat.

[steelhouse]

Is there land for everyone? Most of it already is or would go into private hands without governments, so you would still have rent/tax whatever you want to call it.

In the United Sates there are about 3 acres of land for everyone.  This land should be common, thus everyone should have equal right to it. Thus to build a house on a 1/2 a acre lot leaves a lot of land for other people and wildlife. The only reason it is not is by silly evil ideas of Austrians and libertarians that actually believe all land should be private.  I don't believe in slavery or private property.

I always laugh (cry) when libertarian talk about how private land ownership is good for the environment because as soon as the duck lands on their property they can shoot it, causing them to go extinct.  It was only game laws that applied to both public and private lands did the wildlife like the bison and rocky mountain elk rebound.

[Lethn]

I always laugh (cry) when libertarian talk about how private land ownership is good for the environment because as soon as the duck lands on their property they can shoot it, causing them to go extinct.  It was only game laws that applied to both public and private lands did the wildlife like the bison and rocky mountain elk rebound.

Where the fuck did you hear this? If someone is saying that kind of crap and calling themselves Libertarian they aren't Libertarian, one thing that pisses me off is when psychopaths or religious psychopaths hijack political ideologies and attention focuses on them and not what the ideology actually stands for.

[saddampbuh]

hitler ended unemployment and homelessness in case you didn't know

[michaeladair]

This is pretty bad... I mean, someone didn't finish their free schooling and I think it'd prove beneficial.

[Snail2]

although it is a stretch is makes a lot of sense.  Violence was put agaist Hitler first, he only wanted to paint pictures.  He blew his inheritance on taxes and inflation caused by liberals.  The neocons sent him to WWI.  He came back and they wanted him to live on the streets or submit to a government to feed the state.  He said no.  He picked the wrong shapegoat.

He picked the best possible "scapegoat". Many ppl doesn't seems to realize that Hitler didn't acted because of sheer hatred. He targeted jews because of jews had many small and medium businesses and other easy to grab stuff.
If you want to seize a company with its financial and material assets, large corporations are not a good choice. As soon as they smell trouble they will sell off everything they can and run away with the bag from your country, so you will end up with some half empty factories and a big bunch of angry unemployed blokes and you need to spend a lot on get it back on track.
However there's nowhere to run for small and medium businesses, you can get those companies intact and next day they will carry on with production under a new management. This way you can keep the support of the working class, you can obtain the support of the middle class (the new management) and you can grab a lot of money and other valuables.

[arbitrage001]

Homelessness is 100% caused by liberals.  Otherwise everyone would have a free lot and pay no property tax or the permits on it.  The homeless are actually a means to scare the average citizen to go to school, to pay taxes, and for you to remain poor.  While Obama and company are flying around playing golf and going to Hawaii, they try to scare every last dime out of you look at global warming.  They are so elite they don't even want to finish their short terms and expect you to pay off their bad personal debts.

You are expected to do the hard work, the labor.  They want to give speeches, goto meetings, sleep with interns, push paper, and travel.  If they come from an Ivy league college vote them out.

They talk about inequality, yet their schools practice none of that with their endowments funds.  It was the liberal mayors that kicked the 99% out of the parks.   The electric bills are 40% higher in the blue cities as oppose to the right-to-work states.  You even have Biden bragging he does not own any stocks, because he can tax the hell out of those that do.

The tea party is for the people, the democratic party for economic terror.

The rules of the liberals actually benefit conservative more. While I agree long term socialism is bad, conservative greediness need to be reigned in more drastic than liberal retardness. Don't forget GS and the whole finance communities are conservative in disguised to support Obama.

[steelhouse]

I always laugh (cry) when libertarian talk about how private land ownership is good for the environment because as soon as the duck lands on their property they can shoot it, causing them to go extinct.  It was only game laws that applied to both public and private lands did the wildlife like the bison and rocky mountain elk rebound.

Where the fuck did you hear this? If someone is saying that kind of crap and calling themselves Libertarian they aren't Libertarian, one thing that pisses me off is when psychopaths or religious psychopaths hijack political ideologies and attention focuses on them and not what the ideology actually stands for.

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Just listen to what they say.  Look at Ron Paul,

"Do you think it should be illegal to emit harmful pollutants?

You should be held responsible in a court of law and you should be able to be closed down if you’re damaging your neighbor’s property in any way whatsoever.

Who would set the law about what pollutants could and couldn’t be emitted? Congress?

Not under my presidency — the Congress wouldn’t do it. The people who claim damage would have to say, look, I’m sitting here, and these poisons are coming over, and I can prove it, and I want it stopped, and I want compensation." - Ron Paul interview http://grist.org/article/paul1/

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Basically he says you can emit whatever you want, and if you get lung cancer you can sue them.  Even if you lived next door how can you prove you got the lung cancer from the plant or your smoking habits.  What about a mile a way.  Would it not make better sense to put limits on pollution as it leaves the property?  What if you put the property in the name of someone 70 years old, thus if they get sued, you can delay it up in the courts and when they die nobody is left to sue.


Now for  Rothbard (1992),

"Another serendipity out of this process would be a massive privatization of the socialized land of the western United States and of the rest of America as well. This combination of repudiation and privatization would go a long way to reducing the tax burden, establishing fiscal soundness, and desocializing the United States." http://mises.org/library/repudiating-national-debt

Basically he is saying he wants to sell off the national forests, blm land, and sell everything to private land owners at high bid. 

[steelhouse]

hitler ended unemployment and homelessness in case you didn't know

Possibly by forced labor and concentration camps.  Hitler was just a bigger criminal.  The democratic party wants to end homelessness by taxing rich people and giving themselves a big cut and sending the rest to the unemployed, teachers, and homelessness.  Usually it never gets down that far as I see homelessness everyday.

Libertarians just don't want to worry about the poor.  Ayn Rand basically says the best way not to be poor is not to become one.  Generally I support this view.  Millions of people under the libertarian philosophy only have the legal rights to roam the streets.   There is 2.3 billion acres in the USA.  However, all I say is there are 5 acres per person in the U.S. and everyone is entitle to their 5 acres.  Nobody should be forced to pay someone else's education.  If the tax paying people (government) paid for Hitlers art school, WWII might have been avoided.  However, WWII might have also been avoided if Hitler was given free access to land.  His acre to build his art studio and learn from people surrounding him.  That is how both Germany and the United States generally became superpowers in the 19th century - cheap land and less government.

Don't be scared by demagogues, reject all education spending for college.

[steelhouse]

although it is a stretch is makes a lot of sense.  Violence was put agaist Hitler first, he only wanted to paint pictures.  He blew his inheritance on taxes and inflation caused by liberals.  The neocons sent him to WWI.  He came back and they wanted him to live on the streets or submit to a government to feed the state.  He said no.  He picked the wrong shapegoat.

He picked the best possible "scapegoat". Many ppl doesn't seems to realize that Hitler didn't acted because of sheer hatred. He targeted jews because of jews had many small and medium businesses and other easy to grab stuff.
If you want to seize a company with its financial and material assets, large corporations are not a good choice. As soon as they smell trouble they will sell off everything they can and run away with the bag from your country, so you will end up with some half empty factories and a big bunch of angry unemployed blokes and you need to spend a lot on get it back on track.
However there's nowhere to run for small and medium businesses, you can get those companies intact and next day they will carry on with production under a new management. This way you can keep the support of the working class, you can obtain the support of the middle class (the new management) and you can grab a lot of money and other valuables.

No he had a general anti-Semitic platform that was popular at the time by right wingers. Large corporations are easy targets just look at all the corporate income taxes, sales taxes, personal income taxes, dividend taxes, capital gains tax, inflation taxes placed on them.  They are the slaves of society probably with close to 90% tax rate.  The sales tax alone is a good profit for most corporations.  The government has the money before, during, or after Hitler.

[coric]

bitcointalk is the new conservapedia. parodists wiring parodies of parodists until no one knows who is trolling whom.

[RodeoX]

Wow, someone should have sent you to a free school. "The neocons sent him (Hitler) to WW1"

That is just one line that made me laugh. Neo conservationism is an American phenomena that would not even exist until decades after Hitlers death. And free education is one of America's best ideas. It is one of the main reasons that we became a world power. Maybe we are about to be supplanted by Boko-Haram, but I doubt it.

[Lethn]

Basically he is saying he wants to sell off the national forests, blm land, and sell everything to private land owners at high bid. 

Obviously there wouldn't be national parks in a Libertarian system that isn't to say though that people couldn't buy up their own land and let the public use it I don't know where you got that shit from his interview because he just said you could go to court if some company or person is polluting your land it's really amazing seeing Americans try and think about a different viewpoint to theirs because you really do just make shit up and choose to live in your own alternate reality, not wonder nobody halfway decent gets elected as president in your country.

[Snail2]

No he had a general anti-Semitic platform that was popular at the time by right wingers. Large corporations are easy targets just look at all the corporate income taxes, sales taxes, personal income taxes, dividend taxes, capital gains tax, inflation taxes placed on them.  They are the slaves of society probably with close to 90% tax rate.  The sales tax alone is a good profit for most corporations.  The government has the money before, during, or after Hitler.

Another popular misconception. Hitler wasn't right wing politician. He was massively leftist . Just take a look at NSDAPs program. I would say he won the election from the left and then governed from the right.

I can take a look at all those taxes, and what I see is that large corporations not paying any of those but some measly 10%-s in Luxembourg or some other tax heaven .